Sonata32 2007-03-28 03:38:12
How much should I expect to be charged. I have a 2003 V6 GL Sonata. Called
dealer they quoted me for the 60k maintenance which is : 500.00 for timing
belt replacement-625.00 tune up- 550.00 water pump replacement. Id it wise
to call Midas and ask what they charge? Dealer told me not to do that
because they don’t use Hyundai product hence will void remainder of my
warranty. My sad story is I just graduated from graduate school having no
luck getting a job. Living off credit cards for the past 2 months. So money
right now is pretty tight. Any advice my dear Hyundai buddies
Screwtape iii 2007-03-28 03:38:16
Well, changing the water pump at 60K is entirely optional. Odds are
you’ll make it to 120K or will have traded the car before the water
pump gives you any trouble.
Zeppo 2007-03-28 03:38:17
$625 for a tune up seems a more than a bit excessive. Are you sure some
other repairs aren’t folded into that cost?
Hyundaitech 2007-03-28 08:34:40
Are you the original owner? If so, don’t replace the water pump. It’s
warranted for 10 years/100k miles.
If you’re the original owner, you do have some incentive to install a
factory belt. Hyundai will continue to cover it for the 10 year/100k mile
period as long as you replace the belt with a Hyundai part. There’s
nothing wrong with calling Midas (or anywhere else) and asking them if
they’d do the work using a factory belt (or all factory parts).
Understand they’ll probably charge more due to their higher cost, but if
everything else is reasonable, it may be a good alternative. But also
consider whether they are competent to do the job. I wouldn’t think the
guys at Midas do a lot of timing belts. This one isn’t particularly
tricky, so someone who’s competent and reasonably knowledgeable should be
able to do a good job. I would also have the timing belt tensioner
replaced with the timing belt. It’s only covered by the 5/60 warranty and
its failure can cause the same consequences as a failed timing belt.
Replacing the spark plugs on your car will require removing the plenum.
Again, you’ll want to make sure you have someone competent and
knowledgeable doing the work. You’ll also want to make sure they use
quality parts, because you don’t want to have to pay to have the plugs
replaced again in a relatively short period of time. You may also want to
consider having the plug wires replaced (with preferably OEM parts) while
the plenum is off.
Brian nystrom 2007-03-28 08:34:43
Do you own any basic tools? Even if you don’t, you can do the tune up
work yourself (plugs, wires, oil change, air filter change, etc.) and
save more than the cost of buying a few tools. Once you own them, tools
are like money in the bank, as they’ll save you more every time you use
them. As long as you document what you’ve done in the maintenance log
that came with the car, you’re covered under warranty. The log also
tells you everything that needs to be done @ 60K miles. If money is
tight, you can put off the timing belt change for a little while if
necessary. It’s unlikely to fail and as long as you get it done within a
few K’s of 60K miles, Hyundai will be happy. I wouldn’t bother with the
water pump unless there is an obvious problem with it.
For instructions, part numbers and other info about your car, go to:
You need to register first (it’s free), then you can access Hyundai
service manuals and check parts prices online. You can even order parts
and accessories online though your local dealer. BTW, the site only
works with Internet Explorer.
I would hesitate to have the service done at any of the larger chains,
as the quality of the work you’ll receive is anyone’s guess. Those
places typically have high employee turnover and good mechanics don’t
want to work at them. Better to check with friends to find a smaller,
reputable shop that’s well established. Tell them you want them to use
Hyundai parts (a good shop will understand why) or buy the parts
yourself and drop them off with the car.
What your dealer told you about parts is not entirely true. Only the
timing belt and water pump (if you decide to do it) need to be Hyundai
parts to keep your warranty in effect. Plugs, wires, filters, etc. can
be aftermarket parts without have ANY effect on your warranty (that’s
federal law). Just use good filters like Purolator and stay away from
junk like Fram. NGK plugs and wires are always a good bet.
Now sounds like an ideal time for you to learn some DIY skills. Best of
Tom 2007-03-28 17:57:14
$625 for a tuneup??? I don’t think the manual calls for more than spark
plugs, doesn’t it? I doubt if it calls for a water pump replacement.
You’re being majorly ripped off.
Sonata32 2007-03-28 22:19:28
Thanks for all who replied to my post. I am the original owner of my sonata.
I commute 100 miles a day to school thats why my mileage is so high. I have
never missed an oil change and I replaced transmission oil. I guess I will
just do the belt for now. Last night when I went to start my car it would
not want to start. When I turned the key, the ignition was turning but it
would not catch. The battery is fine and the starter seems to be okay. I let
it sit for 2 minutes and turned the key it final grabbed and started after a
few turns. The car was making a “put” noise and wanted to stall but I gave
it gas and it stayed running. I noticed a odd smelling white smoke coming
out of the exhaust. This was the first time ever this had happened. The
weather here in Connecticut has been weird where the temps would go from
70’s to 30’s in a matter of 6 hours. Could it be condensation in the gas
line? Also, when are the tired needed to be changed. My car came with
Michelin tires which I noticed are really $$$ is there another good tire out
there someone can recommend.
Hyundaitech 2007-03-28 22:19:30
Regarding the problem with starting the car, could be anything, even a weak
As far as the tires, go to a reputable tire store near you and explain to
them you’d like some inexpensive tires of reasonable quality. Most tire
stores have house brand tires, that while not Michelins, compete well on
quality with major tire brands for a fraction of the price.
Dank 2007-03-29 02:21:13
When making a decision on the timing belt remember that the 60,000 mile
recomendation by Hyundai (that needs to be done to maintain the warrenty) is
a statistical thing. So few belts fail before 60,000 AND 5 years that
Hyundai deems it almost insignificant and will therefore pay to have
catastropic engine failure fixed. A key here (and in my case) is time. If
you put 60,000 miles on in 2 years, the timing belt is MUCH less likely to
fail than if you take 5 years to do it. 3 extra years of sitting outside in
weather have got to be significant in terms of belt wear, as do all the
extra starts and warm-ups. For me, with a 2002 XG350 with 67000 miles, I
have decided to go to 90,000 miles before doing the timing belt which should
put me in the 5-6 year time frame. Of coarse, I bought mine used so I have
no 10/100 warrenty to add in to the equation.
Rayindesmoines 2007-03-29 02:21:21
Today, I was quoted $800 to replace the belt in Des Moines. I called
around and the going rate seems to be between $400 and $550 in other
midwest cities. I am taking it to Council Bluffs (near Omaha) to have
it done. I am not pleased with the Des Moines quote.
Mike marlow 2007-03-29 11:37:02
Echo this. I have had really good luck with PepBoys Futura tires. They’re
made by Cooper and they are a fraction of the price of the major brands.
I’ve always gotten at least the advertised mileage out of them and have been
very satisfied with the tire performance in rain and snow. I’m in upstate
NY and we get snow! A tire that will handle long winters, hard pack snow,
etc. is very important to me. They run quite and they hold up very well –
no history of broken cords, sidewall failures, etc. Half the price of
Brian nystrom 2007-03-30 00:03:07
If that’s the case, why don’t you get snow tires for the winter? The
difference in performance in snow and ice vs. ANY “all season” tire is
Brian nystrom 2007-03-30 00:03:08
Rather than making a long drive, have you checked around to find a good
independent shop in your area? This work does not have to be done by a
Hyundai dealer, only with Hyundai parts.
Mike marlow 2007-03-30 04:13:14
Fair question. The reason is that I don’t need them. Good radials do the
job just fine. I haven’t had a snow tire on a car in over 30 years.
Brian nystrom 2007-03-30 21:10:33
You don’t know what you’re missing.
Mike marlow 2007-03-31 09:13:36
I have a buddy that is in his car all day as an insurance appraiser and the
company pays for him to put snows on his fleet car. He loves them. I
suppose there have been a few times where they’ve been very beneficial to
him when he’s had to plow his way in and out of driveways that hadn’t been
cleared, but we do a lot of driving to and from the same places (often at
the same time) and there’s been absolutely no difference in the way our
vehicles have handled normal winter road conditions. By normal, I mean
loose snow, hardpack, ice, etc. The stuff we normally encounter in a winter
around here. He swears by his snows though. Guess I can’t argue with the
folks who like them, but like I said – I have just never had the need. I
suppose he could prove that he can get going better than I can with the more
aggressive tread, and does not have to be quite as gentle taking off as me,
but those types of benefits just don’t matter that much to me. The
difference in performance with his Grand Prix with snows and my Regal with
all seasons is just pretty trivial. Now – my plow truck, that’s a different
story. Lugs. Deep lugs. Lots deep lugs…
Brian nystrom 2007-04-02 07:48:54
Have you actually driven these vehicles back to back under the same
conditions? If not, how do you know what the difference is?
Mike marlow 2007-04-02 12:02:56
Yeah – that’s what I was trying to point out above. Besides that, I have
had snows many years ago. Many years ago. For my style of driving and the
cars I drive, I just don’t see enough benefit to me. That’s not a statement
that those who like them shouldn’t, it’s just a statement that I’ve been
there, done that and I’m fine with my all season radials.
Jody 2007-04-02 12:02:59
uhh theres been many tests done in scandinavia etc of the benefits of proper
I know fom experience, I switch to winters every year..
have you ever walked on ice with runners with rubber that goes hard? same
This moring i opened our door, snow up to my kness.
everyone with all seasons in our apt block were stuck the min they backed
i value my life, for the sake of my family,my man,my nieces and nephews.
Thats far worth more than what id save by not going to proper tires to suit
im not hear to argue the point, just wanted to state mine.
Mike marlow 2007-04-02 12:03:01
That’s fair – and I’m only stating mine as well. I live in Central NY where
we get approximately 300″ of snow per year. I know well what driving in
snow is all about. Yes – we get snow up to our knees also. And… I have
driven through it as well. I don’t try to convince people that they don’t
need snow tires, I simply state that I don’t use them and I have no
problems. I don’t get stuck, I don’t run off the road and I don’t lose
control of my car. My ’98 Regal has 150,000 miles on it so I don’t sit at
home and not put on any miles either. We have 5 vehicles registered in my
family. Only my truck, which plows snow, has anything more than all season
radials in good condition. All four of the vehicles with ASR’s navigate the
winters here just fine. Like you, I know from experience.
Brian nystrom 2007-04-02 16:20:16
If you actually tried snows on one of them, you’d be amazed at the
difference in traction, control and ease of driving in slippery
conditions. There is absolutely no comparison. You may not think you
need them, but when you do and you don’t have them, you’ll regret it.
Living where you do, it’s mind boggling to me that you won’t even
consider snow tires. Getting by is not the same as being confident,
comfortable and in control.
Mike marlow 2007-04-02 20:43:08
That’s the whole point Bryan – most people around here do not use snows.
ASR’s work so well that snows aren’t really needed. Like I said – we drive
through harsh winter conditions. And like I said – I’ve used snows before
so I do appreciate what they do. The last set of snows I put on a car had
to have been somewhere around 20 years ago or so, so I have a pretty good
handle on how much confidence to put in my ASR’s in the winter. As do most
of the cars around here.
One thing I should probably be a little more clear about that came to mind
last night. A lot of cars today have low profile, wide tires and many of
those up until very recently did not have aggressive tread and sipe
configurations. It wasn’t stylish or something. Around here we refer to
those as skis. Absolutely useless in the snow and little better on wet
roads. All of my cars have a more conventional 70 or 75 series tire on
them. In the case of my daughter’s ’98 Malibu I took a full inch off of the
width of the tire by changing the series, and still maintained the proper
tire height. It was completely undriveable in the snow before I put the
70’s on it. Now it cuts through and bites the way you want a tire to. I
used her car the other day to go deer hunting because my truck wasn’t
available. Actually – I snuck out of the house with it before she was even
awake and had it back before she ever woke up, so she technically does not
know I “borrowed” it – but that’s a side story. Anyway – I drove out into a
farmer’s field a distance of 1/8 of a mile or so in snow that I was plowing
with the bumper. Never spun a tire. Parked the car in the snow, went out
into the woods, froze my b*** off for the sake of seeing nothing, and then
got back in the car and proceeded to turn it around in the field and head
right back out. Not a single problem in doing so.
No – we don’t just get by with our tires here – they perform as a tire
should. If I were on the edge or just getting by, I’d go the route of
snows. But – I’ve had snows and they just never offered any significant
margin over what I get with good ASR’s. After 20-ish years to test the
theory, I have that confidence, comfort and control that you speak of. And
like I say – this is snow country and you don’t often see a snow tire on
Good tires is the secret. No ultra wide, low profile, “cool” tires. Good
sipe design in the tread. Tread in good condition.
BTW Bryan – what part of the world are you in?
Mike marlow 2007-04-02 20:43:15
Sorry – please substitute “Brian” for each occurrence of “Bryan” in my
Brian nystrom 2007-04-03 00:41:26
Brian nystrom 2007-04-03 00:41:27
No problem, happens all the time.