another "first time" NASA boast is silly

Right -- as if Jack Lousma hadn't piloted the backpack maneuvering unit
around the in side of Skylab in, oh, about August 1973.

NASA either start getting some good out of its history office
and stop making such ignorant 'first ever' claims, that only insult
the achievements of past generations.

International Space Station Status Report: SS06-024
Friday May 19, 5:52 pm ET

WASHINGTON, May 19 /PRNewswire/ -- In space this week, a satellite flew
within a satellite. International Space Station Flight Engineer Jeff
Williams "piloted" a unique spacecraft in three dimensions for the first
time around the pressurized Destiny module. The demonstration tested the
basics of formation flight and autonomous docking that could be useful in
future multiple spacecraft formation flying.

Did Jack Lousma pilot the backpack unit manned or as an ROV?

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Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

Manned. Several types of maneuvering units were tested inside Skylab,
both in shirtsleeves and in spacesuits.
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"Satellite within a satellite"

Can anyone say Transit !

It had a little ball inside which was protected from air resitance by
the satellite, and the satelite maneuvred to keep the ball in the
middle.

Regards

Carsten Nielsen
Denmark

"Satellite within a satellite"

Can anyone say Transit !

It had a little ball inside which was protected from air resitance by
the satellite, and the satelite maneuvred to keep the ball in the
middle.

Regards

Carsten Nielsen
Denmark

Then, as I suspected, JimO is way off base. Lousma flew the first
manned 'satellite within a satellite', and as the press release makes
clear - this is the first ROV so flown.

D.
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Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

Except the (IIRC) DISCOS was a component of the larger bird - and an
inert ball. Lousma's backpack and the current ROV are independent
systems and decidely non-inert.

D.
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The wording is ambiguous as to what they
are claiming. Of course if they limit the definition
to exactly what they have just accomplished,
it will ALWAYS be 'first'.

Not to me it wasn't - it was pretty clear they were claiming the first
flight of a 'unique craft', to wit: an ROV.

D.
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Well, the first ROV *inside* a spacecraft, at least. But given that an ROV
has previously been successfully flown *outside* a spacecraft
(AerCAM/Sprint), I'd have to say it's not all that impressive a "first".

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2 15th July 03:59 fairwater External User Posts: 1	another "first time" NASA boast is silly Did Jack Lousma pilot the backpack unit manned or as an ROV? -- Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

3 15th July 04:00 henry External User Posts: 1	another "first time" NASA boast is silly Manned. Several types of maneuvering units were tested inside Skylab, both in shirtsleeves and in spacesuits. -- spsystems.net is temporarily off the air; \| Henry Spencer mail to henry at zoo.utoronto.ca instead. \| henry@spsystems.net

4 16th July 00:31 carsten nielsen External User Posts: 1	another "first time" NASA boast is silly "Satellite within a satellite" Can anyone say Transit ! It had a little ball inside which was protected from air resitance by the satellite, and the satelite maneuvred to keep the ball in the middle. Regards Carsten Nielsen Denmark

5 16th July 00:31 carsten nielsen External User Posts: 1	another "first time" NASA boast is silly "Satellite within a satellite" Can anyone say Transit ! It had a little ball inside which was protected from air resitance by the satellite, and the satelite maneuvred to keep the ball in the middle. Regards Carsten Nielsen Denmark

6 16th July 00:31 fairwater External User Posts: 1	another "first time" NASA boast is silly Then, as I suspected, JimO is way off base. Lousma flew the first manned 'satellite within a satellite', and as the press release makes clear - this is the first ROV so flown. D. -- Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

7 16th July 00:31 fairwater External User Posts: 1	another "first time" NASA boast is silly Except the (IIRC) DISCOS was a component of the larger bird - and an inert ball. Lousma's backpack and the current ROV are independent systems and decidely non-inert. D. -- Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

8 16th July 00:31 jim oberg External User Posts: 1	another "first time" NASA boast is silly The wording is ambiguous as to what they are claiming. Of course if they limit the definition to exactly what they have just accomplished, it will ALWAYS be 'first'.

9 16th July 00:31 fairwater External User Posts: 1	another "first time" NASA boast is silly Not to me it wasn't - it was pretty clear they were claiming the first flight of a 'unique craft', to wit: an ROV. D. -- Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

10 16th July 00:31 jorge r. frank External User Posts: 1	another "first time" NASA boast is silly Well, the first ROV inside a spacecraft, at least. But given that an ROV has previously been successfully flown outside a spacecraft (AerCAM/Sprint), I'd have to say it's not all that impressive a "first". -- JRF Reply-to address spam-proofed - to reply by E-mail, check "Organization" (I am not assimilated) and think one step ahead of IBM.