tj

after my instructor give me the clearance to solo, and i could use another
c-172 for much cheaper, who will then verify and log my solo training
time.....would my instructor have to or not....after all he does work for
the school i am attending

ron natalie

You log your own solo time. Why do you think this is your instructor's
job. As far as the FAA is concerned, they don't care who works for whom,
just that the requisite signoffs (and the supervision inherent in them) are made.

Now the rental outfit who runs the other 172 might have different opinions as
to how they want to handle your soloing the plane.

rmg1

Legally, you can solo in any plane that matches the "type" of the
plane you are signed off as solo. Your CFI doesn't really have a lot
of say about it (although it might be a good idea to listen to his
advise). However, a C172 is NOT A TYPE. When I sign off students the
endor*****ts look like C-172P (etc). So the model must match. This is
actually important since the flaps and some other things can be very
different model to model (the newer ones have different HP, injection
etc too). If you are used to flying a 172 that has 30 degrees of flaps
and unknowingly start flying one with 40 and accidently use 40, you
will experience a very different airplane, etc. Some CFIs don't know
any better and endorse you for just "C-172". However, its not legal or
recognized by any FSDOs I know of. If that is the case, make the CFI
fix it.

-Robert, CFI

ron natalie

Actually, the first Cessna 172 is just a "172". The 172A was the second
model.

greg esres

<<Some CFIs don't know any better and endorse you for just "C-172".
However, its not legal or recognized by any FSDOs I know of.>>

Your understanding is not in accordance with the FAA position on the
matter. Why does this misconception keep propogating here, in spite
of ample FAA evidence to the contrary?

From the FAQs:
================================================== ================

Question: A very tiny minority of instructors are trying convince
others that a solo endor*****t needs to be made for every variation
of C172, such as for a 172M, 172N, 172P, 172R, 172S, etc.

Answer: Ref. § 61.87(l)(1); Per § 61.87(l)(1), ". . . . for the
specific make and model aircraft to be flown . . . ." means the make
(Cessna) and the model (172) only. It does not mean the series
variation of that make and model of aircraft.

However, flight instructors are the "cornerstone" to maintaining safe
pilots within our National Airspace System, and so if you believe
there is a significant difference between the series of a specific
make and model of aircraft, then I believe that you should limit your
solo endor*****t. For example, I believe there is a significant
difference between the Cessna 310 "A" series vs. the Cessna 310 "R"
series. I believe there is a significant difference between the Bell
206A vs. the Bell 206L3. I do not believe there is significant
difference between the different series variations of the Cessna 172.
But it has to be remembered that your students who you provide a solo
endor*****t to are low time, inexperienced beginning pilots. For some
students, something as simple as having to operate a different make
and model of navigation and communication radio may be enough of a
distraction to your student to require you to limit your solo
endor*****t. Essentially, this question and answer requires the use
of common sense.

Answered by: John D. Lynch, AFS-840

ben

I only got one endor*****t (for a C-172) after flying 11 hours in a
C-172P, and later I also flew C-172D, N and M models with no
additional signatures. I did get some dual in each model (except
the M) but no signoff.
-- Ben Jackson
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