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The following quotes were posted in the TWA800 forum by George
Dnaldson. He says he's a retired engineer and that he designed the
Dome that housed the Spruce Goose near the Queen Mary in Long beach,
CA:

[quote]The launched missile was a prototype KKV similar to what is
used in our ABM tests in the Pacific. As a KKV, it had no explosive
warhead. It consisted of a hybrid SM-2 due to the addition of an
Infrared tracking head and the omission of the HE warhead. It was
fired intentionally by a Los Angeles class sub at a towed target from
the P-3. Due to a SNAFU, the launching point was approximately 30
miles NE of the intended launch point and the timing was one hour
early due to the towing plane being one hour early. The time was
around 00:30 Zulu, 18 July 1996 or 20:30 Eastern Daylight Savings
time, 17 July 1996, rather than the correct time of 01:30 Zulu or
20:30 Eastern Standard time. The P-3 mistakenly used Daylight Savings
time which placed it near the launching sub one hour early.[end quote]

He also stated:

[quote]It appears that the Clinton Administration used this accident
to reward the ambulance chasing American Trial Lawyers Association by
suing Boeing who did not have any culpability. The Warsaw Pact,
pertaining to international lawsuit awards, was cir***vented by moving
the US boundary outward to include the accident site. As
'Servants-of-the-Court', the trial lawyers acted as blood ****ing,
greedy s*** bag vultures eviscerating the 230 dead. Little wonder why
this rigged payoff was settled out of court. It would not have seen
the light of day in an open court.[end quote]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/twa800/message/12390

aabbcc_running_with_scissors

an outstanding qualification for Air Accident Investigation.

laurence doering

Hee hee.

How could the P-3 have "mistakenly" used Daylight Savings time
when the entire United States (except Arizona and part of Indiana,
if I remember correctly) was on Daylight Savings time the day of
the accident? Maybe Mr. Dnaldson [sic] isn't aware that July 17th
falls during the Northern Hemisphere summer.

Also, isn't it, um, kind of hard for submarines to track airborne
targets and shoot missiles at them? Someone should tell this
Dnaldson guy submarines are the kind of ships that lurk around
*under* the water, not on top of it where radar works.


I think he probably meant the "Warsaw Convention", a 1929 international
agreement that established rules for international air travel. The
"Warsaw Pact" was the 1955 treaty of cooperation and mutual military
assistance between seven Eastern European countries and the Soviet
Union.

Two points for the creative attempt to deal with the time issue
that tripped James Sanders up in his first book, but apart from
that Mr. Dnaldson needs to go back to the drawing board.


ljd

bàidh stidean

On 17 Sep 2003 00:28:37 -0700,
aabbcc_running_with_scissors@hotmail.com (running with scissors)

Well, a cursory search does indeed turn up a George Donaldson, who
graduated from Parks College of St. Louis with a degree in
Aeronautical Engineering and was the engineer of the Spruce Goose
Dome. However, no background in missile systems or anything but
engineering domed structures can be found. IOW, he's about a s
qualified to speak on the matter as any other non-flying engineer
is...

frank linquest

Ok, i am new to this thread...but.....

two years before TWA800 went down, a B707 ignited in Milwaulkee. These
two aircraft use the same center fuel tank system. A year before the
milwaulkee incident, a China Airlines B747 exploded (milder than twa800)
on the ramp.. bottom line, this center tank "quirk" had a history.
Boeing got sued because in the legal world, and untrackable, impossible
to find problem, somehow indicates a conspiracy to most ignorant juries.

Sorry to all the conspiracy theorist who believe the missle theory, but
the NTSB has gone to great lengths to show that TWA800 was an
unfortunate mechanical problem. Nothing else.

stan

BS, What qualifications do a flying engineer have of value on a 747
shot down by the navy and covered up by the NTSB? In fairness to
George, his qualifications do include the total qualifications the
Washington Post was able to learn about the Chairman of the NTSB, Jim
Hall, in charge of the twa 800 cover-up. George also has a drivers
license! LOL

The twa800 coverup topic has really gotten dead on
alt.disasters.aviation. Plus, according to my reliability
calculations, it may be 3 years before the army, navy or AF shoot down
another jumbo over NYC, with Patriots, Standards or what have you. I
read that Patriots and Standards were gonna be deployed to protect NYC
from terrorist missiles. Can't the media be honest at least once? I
shoulda known somebody was pulling my leg when they said Saddam was
gonna fire the terrorist missiles - in 45 minutes - from Iraq. <g>

At least we could run another poll to see if that one in sixty (100
of 5962) who believed anything the NTSB said about twa 800 on the last
poll have changed their mind yet. 1.68% believeability of the NTSB
still sounds high to me. The best way to ground all planes is to
continue to let politicians make critical safety engineering decisions
as on about all of our aviation disasters. I hope this helps. Stan
(former NASA rocket scientist expert on safety).

PS In fairness, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out twa
800 was SAM'd. Any 8 year old will do.

frank linquest

I think what is most troubling is the lack of facts that surround your
conspiracy theory. What i find hard to believe in your "NTSB Cover-up"
logic is how you account for the masses of cover-ups, and squelching of
information, that has to take place for your theory to work. 1.
Everyone associated with the investigation has to be quiet (some 30
investigators), plus the salvage crews. The airlines, who usually hire
a private entity, would love for this to be a terrorist attact to
subvert lawsuits. So..those private entities would have to be part of
the conspiracy. Oh, and one more thing...Abosolute terrorist
rule...take credit for your work....to my knowledge, no terrorist group
has claimed that prize.

stan

Frank, you seem new to a lot of threads. <g> You must be getting your
safety info from Negroni.

Gotta think. Is the NTSB credibility glass 1.68% full or 98.2% empty,
and is there a dead fly in the glass?

frank linquest

Thats your answer?.. To say that the NTSB has a credibility problem in
this issue is a weak argument. What we have in this thread for
"evidence" of a missle is; hearsay, sightings from amatures, and wild
theories drawn on paper, yet the clear evidence, and history of this
type aircraft are ignored.

We have to ask a couple things. 1) Since the NTSB's investigations aid
in preventing further occurences of an incident, then what would provoke
them to lie. 2) Find one case, ( a real one ) where the NTSB has been
found to be hiding evidence (oh, and don't site the NTSB's unwillingness
to list the 'unpleasentries" of an accindent in open court with families
present). 3) How do you get hundreds of people, all connected in the
research of this event, to cover something like this up?

Frank

dr. george o. bizzigotti

[which is based on]


Actually, it's even weaker than that. Based on some of his earlier
posts, Stan's statistic is apparently the result of a poll conducted
by one of the web sites set up in opposition to the NTSB position.
It's kind of like reporting that George Bush's approval rating is now
1.68 percent and neglecting to inform folks that you took the poll at
Dean campaign headquarters. To argue that such a result is objective
or that it reflects the opinion of the population as a whole is
disingenuous.

Regards,

George
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