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Please, you people are thinking all kinds of dangerous thoughts!!!
(Sorry my english is not very strong).

I'm not intending on smuggling anything like drugs with a plane!!!

So please, help me out, I have a legitimate plan and will only use my
plane or heli for legitimate purposes!!

If anyone could help me, please do.

I repeat what I'm looking for, as a newbee.

A plane or a heli that can fly long distances (15 miles) and attain a
good altitude (about 3000 ft).

Please tell me if this is unrealistic.

Another question, does anyone know how long and high a heli
("surveycopter") like this one can fly?
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/sebastien.decorme/survey-copter/index.html

Since it can carry loads of up to 10 kg, and it can fly a preprogrammed
trajectory via a computer and a GPS, that's what I'm looking for.

Please, all advise is welcome!!

dougmc@frenzy.com (doug

| It is unlawful in the US to fly autonomously controlled aircraft unless you
| represent a US government agency or a commercial organization doing research
| and have obtained the proper paperwork and clearances.

Can you provide a reference to back up this assertion? A link to the
relevant section of the law, a link to a NOTAM from the FAA, etc.?

The FAA certainly does care about UAVs, but they're traditionally much
larger than a model.

--
Doug McLaren, dougmc@frenzy.com
Give them an inch and they'll take a foot. Much more than that, you
won't have a leg to stand on.

ed cregger

Better yet, before responding, why don't you go find something that negates
my assertion?

Ed Cregger

dougmc@frenzy.com (doug

| Better yet, before responding, why don't you go find something that negates
| my assertion?

You made the assertion, not me. I was hoping you could back it up.
In short, I'm `calling bullsh*t' on you.

It's going to be difficult to find something that negates your
assertion, because it would involve reading the entire body of US law
and FAA regulations, NOTAMs, etc. The law usually doesn't give
rights/priviledges -- instead, it takes them away. And if something
isn't ********ly made illegal, it's usually legal. [No, I'm not a
lawyer.] On the other hand, it should be very easy to prove your
assertion -- just provide a link to the law or NOTAM that states this.

I was hoping that since you authoritatively declared that `It is
unlawful in the US to fly autonomously controlled aircraft unless ...'
that you knew what you were talking about.

Even your standard free flight model is `autonomously controlled'.
There is usually no electronic devices for keeping it on course, but
the dihedral in the wing keeps it level, and mechanical devices have
been experimented with exist to do things like change control surfaces
after the motor (rubber band or engine) run out. As far as I know,
free flight models aren't illegal ...
| > | It is unlawful in the US to fly autonomously controlled aircraft
| > | unless you represent a US government agency or a commercial
| > | organization doing research and have obtained the proper
| > | paperwork and clearances.
| >
| > Can you provide a reference to back up this assertion? A link to the
| > relevant section of the law, a link to a NOTAM from the FAA, etc.?
| >
| > The FAA certainly does care about UAVs, but they're traditionally much
| > larger than a model.

--
Doug McLaren, dougmc@frenzy.com
To some its a six-pack, to me it's a Support Group!

dc3gooney@aol.comnomail

I dunno, Ed ~
10 minutes on Google gave me lotsa how-to's,
lotsa FAA (USA....) specs and limitations (FARs),
but nothing saying I have to be named Mr. Ratheon
to design and build.
Sorry, I ain't throwin' away my Wal-Mart gliders ~
I'd like to see the FAR that says I'm busted....please.
It's only fair ~ we didn't respond first.
DC3

ahdofu@yahoo.com

Some time back I came across this article on a small UAV that
autonomously crossed the Atlantic. (They actually launched three but
only one of them made it.) Nevetheless I thought this was quite an
accomplishment. Anyway here is the link to the model airplane

http://www.rnrproducts.com/

bousch

I would go for a on-board camera, positioned at a 45 degree angle. If you
can afford the weight a gps would have. A VERY GOOD on board camera could
transmit 7-8 miles. You would need 2 receivers. 1 for you and 1 for your
buddy. Receivers, transmitters, and GPS and camera receivers would all have
to be matched. The plane must be pre-trimmed for both transmitters.

A cell phone and a buddy with a transmitter matched to yours would provide a
'hand off' to the second person so that control of the plane is passed to
him. You would need transmitter boosters on both your transmitters to go 7
miles.

A SIG 60 with a gas engine and several gas tanks would make the distance
cruising very slow. But that's just off the 'top of my head'. I'd look into
1/3 or 1/4th scale for carry the weight you have to carry.

Lot's of luck, and post back here on your progress.
You can also email me, as I would like to more of your project in detail.

Thanks.

geoff sanders

If you wish to consult with someone who has built and successfully flown
aircraft such as you wish to build, get on the r/c jets email list and
contact the listmaster. Go to rc-jets-on@lists.kidsource.com

fly higher

What you SHOULD be looking for, as a newbee, is a club that will teach you
how to fly and participate in this hobby. Trying to run before you can walk
or even crawl is a guarantee for disaster.

And if your plan is indeed legit, why can't you divuldge more details here
to demonstrate said legitamacy?

m dennett

For avionics, you might look at:

http://www.micropilot.com

Your goal is quite possible with an airplane, I am not convinced you can do
that with current model helicopter technology.