26th August 20:33
| First of all, please understand that this is my "opinion". I am not stating
| it as fact, in spite of the way it may have appeared.
You certainly did state it as fact --
It is unlawful in the US to fly autonomously controlled aircraft
unless you represent a US government agency or a commercial
organization doing research and have obtained the proper paperwork and
and then you became hostile (or at least grumpy and condescending) --
Better yet, before responding, why don't you go find something that
negates my assertion?
when asked to provide some proof. In the future, you might want to
say `I think' or `In my opinion' when there's a good chance that
people will misunderstand you and think that you're stating fact.
| Having a bad case of CRS, nothing I say should be taken as fact. Use
| your own brain and time to decide what is true and what is not.
Then you shouldn't be condescending when somebody doubts the
credibility of your statements.
| I feel confident that anyone launching an autonomously controlled,
| internal combustion engine powered, payload carrying aircraft of any
| appreciable size (a UAV) into the atmosphere that crashes and kills
| or injures someone or their property, will certainly wish that they
| had never had the idea.
Absolutely. Of course, this statement remains exactly as true when
you replace `launching an autonomously controlled ... atmosphere that
crashes and' with more innocuous statements like `takes off their
1/3rd scale Cub' or `launches a kite' or `drives to the corner store'
or `kicks a soccer ball'. ANY of these activities could kill
somebody, and any normal person would wish they'd never had the idea
if they killed somebody doing it.
| And if Attorney General Ashcroft's attention is brought to the matter
| because of the incident's particular cir***stances, well...
Yes, that would be bad for the hobby if any incident related to model
airplanes came to his attention like this.
| Oh, by the way, UAV's are NOT model airplanes. Big difference.
Um, UAV means `Unmanned aerial vehicle'. You'll have to explain
exactly how a model airplane (one that actually flies) is not a UAV.
It's unmanned, it's aerial, it's a vehicle ... sounds like a UAV to
The FAA usually doesn't concern itself with planes that are the sizes
that we fly (and a bit larger -- ultralights are ok up to 254 lbs.) as
long as they don't interfere with larger planes and don't violate
restricted airspace, but one bad accident or incident could certainly
Doug McLaren, firstname.lastname@example.org
To be intoxicated is to feel sophisticated but not be able to say it.
27th August 11:46
Hate to toot me horn but what about the guys post concerning the fella who
did most and more of what this thread starter asked , made flights to
several AMA sanctioned fields and back again ? He made a very functional UAV
all by himself, period. The best thing Dave and Ed have done is to argue in
this thread. Both of which should start reading some Dale Carnegie
immmediately. Their lack of tact is less than less. Arguments do nothing but
build resentment , period.
Kudos to this guy EZ for spending his time wisely. I hope he succeeds...it
can be done. But, as its been alluded to , you had better learn basic RC
skills first. Small steps.
27th August 11:46
Every once in a while, the newsgroup gets a new individual that feels that
it is their mission from God to straighten out the newsgroup. Apparently,
this week it is Doug's turn.
Such individuals pick on this or that, trying to put the old timers in their
place. Most are frustrated club politicians that can't bully their club, so
they come here. There's nothing new under the sun.
Technically, a model airplane is a UAV (unmanned aerial vehicle), but in the
popular vernacular, the term UAV is meant to signify a special unmanned
aircraft that is meant for military, commercial or research work. True? So,
in popular speak, there is a distinction between model aircraft and a UAV,
even if technically, a model airplane can be considered a UAV.
This is the kind of nitpicking that one newsgroup particpant uses on another
when they wish to run them off. They try to wear them down over time.
Sometimes it works. It hasn't worked on me once during the last seven years
and I doubt that it will now.
If you, or anyone else, does not like to read what I have to say, or how I
say it, there is always the block sender list. Feel free to use it. I do.
27th August 20:43
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Sorry for the delay. I have flown planes for the last 6 years. I can do
_anything_ with a plane. Fast, inverted and 6 inches off the deck.
Knife edge all day at 5-6 feet. But now for the past year I have been
trying to leard how to fly a heli. They are _extremely_ hard to even hover
20 feet in front of you. Keep you eyes on a plane, IMO.
Other than that a Google search will give you places to buy all that
you need. I hope you have a 'fat' wallet C'ya
I have been thinking of working with a buddy taking over for the
landing or the
drop. It's still a feasible option if my first plan won't work.
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