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Mike

UMA has a place... if you understand it, and if it meets your needs. First,
the coverage is for 1 mil, with a aggregate of 2 mil. If all claims exceed 2
mil, the claims will not be paid in full. The AMA coverage is 2.5 with an
aggregate of 15, although it is secondary.

Second, being primary means it will pay along with your homeowners until the
home owners or UMA is exhausted. Since both are primary both pay their
share.

If you do not fly at a club it may be fine. If you do fly at a club there is
no coverage for the club or the landowner. You can buy a UMA policy for the
landowner, but, it has all the same exclusions that the regular policy does,
unlike the AMA policy for the landlord which is a true primary policy with
no exclusions.

billlee20018

Ah, yes! You're using Netscape as a browser!

Ask me how many years ago I pointed that flaw out to HQs! :-(

(Hint: it was before this current site went public and I was asked to
"take a look" via a straight IP address.)

Bill Lee

billlee20018

Thanks, Roger.

The District VIII web site costs AMA (out of D-8 budget) less than
$100/year.

And it is that site which hosts and supports the AMA online membershp
renewal system as well as several other tools for all of AMA.

Less than $100.

Bill

red scholefield

The 49K quoted for the web site needs some explanation. Those that have web
sites, know that it doesn't take that much . . . unless they are figuring in
the salary and benefits of those that maintain the website on the Muncie pay
roll. What puzzles me even more is that the AMA seems reluctant to use
expert help from their member pool of talent.

Bill, How hard did you have to fight to get them to use your membership
verification tool?

There is so much that Muncie could do better if they just recruited some
volunteer help from the ranks . . .But you would need someone with good
management skills to take full advantage of this underused resource.

Red S.
D-V Leader Member

cainhd

Personally, I don't see any flaw. The Drop-Down menu simply informs one what
items are there.
All one has to do is click on any top-of- page option and the site opens to a
page where one can continue to pursue the items as one desires. The drop-down
is simply information to inform what one will find if one is looking for
something. Works for me.

The Competitions section is the best in the business. Very easy to find
anything one would want.

The Members Only log in is a pure farce, as I can clear all cookies and then
use any name and associated AMA number to enter. Any non AMA person can enter
by using an AMA number and name picked up off these or other forums.
Still NBFD, as there are no super secrets in that section. Who would give a
small rodent[s posterior if everyone went through the section?
Just more smoke screen that fools so many that can't get by the hanging chad.

HC

cainhd

Well, they send all the VPs to the CA. show and charge that to AMA Officer
Expense so the "Show" shows more profit.
Maybe I am wrong, but isn't the web site contracted out? 501(c) (3) units
usually are the best targets for contractors. The units usually pay very well.
"Profits" and stockholders are not to worry about.
Even in business, same happens. Look at the stuff going on here in Houston.
Some real big players are going to eventually do some time. OTOH, what's a 10
mil fine and 10 years when there is another 50 mil. in the bank. Besides when
things smooth over, it's easy for some cash to pass under the table and in a
couple years, comes the probation thing. Of course AMA ain't yet in that
league. Ha Ha.
Yep, them accountants don't always get 4 when they add 2 + 2. (;-))

What you mean, Boy? They definitely use the SIGs to do all the NATS labor,
volunteers to do all the Contest Directing that keeps the interest, Clubs to do
all the negotiations for flying sites, PLUS be the Sales Force to bring in the
dues $$. IMO that is making great use of the free labor market.

Now if you're speaking of the administration, they are the top experts and
don't want any of your input. They are darn good at making all kinds of rules
to screw up as much as possible. They do that so well, and your help is not
required. Just like government!


Or it would take someone that will remove oneself from the keyboard and get out
in the field and solicit VOTES.
SF did well with that technique. I did not do what I knew I should be doing.
In the year before no one wanted to face the facts about AMA monies.
Management has no reason to be good. After all there is no one that will be
replaced.

Horrace D. Cain
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"A Liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he
proposes to pay off with your money." -- G. Gordon Liddy

NYCJetCharter

What if the designer of the site just wanted to have some humor with people? I could see that happen, but if I was paying that much for a site to start with you best believe I would be yelling like a madman when people started to complain.

mike

My understanding of primary (from UMA) is that it is billed first. once
it wont cover, or the coverage is exhausted then secondary insurance
kicks in. I do understand the limitations but as you know,insurance is
only good when you need it..lol UMA did tick me off a little..while my
club was in the process of changing the charters the price went up..lol
but still less expensive over all..it saves our club some money..saves
the members a little money also...talk to yo u soon !!