I am very new to this but would like some advice on my purchase.
I would like to purchase something like the vigor cs 60 heli,rear
rotor shaft driven ,i realize its probably quite expensive but i would
like to fly and learn on the best.Are there simulators avaiable for
specific helicopters,what qbout a program like flight sim 9 from
microsoft,is there a way to set up the controls to mimmic the model
controls?
I am located in ontario.
Would appreciate any info

I have AeroFly Professional, it is great if you ask me.

"stan kern" <stankern@tnt21.com> skrev i en meddelelse
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Have a look at rc-sim:

http://www.rc-sim.de/index_en.htm

Yes there are model available for the various Sims.

best regards

Olaf

Hello Stan,

The Vigor CS is a great helicopter although it might not be the "best"
anymore. If not though, it is still in the top ranks. This is a helicopter
for "flying", not necessarily for scale stuff. I do not have experience to
justify my thoughts on the scale stuff though.

You can start with a 60 sized machine. I did and I did not have any RC
experience at the time. Just realize that WHEN you crash it will set you
back quite a bit, probably in the USD $200.00 to USD $400.00 range per
crash.

Since you are looking at the Vigor CS I will assume the money is much
less of an object to you than to many people. If you are starting to think
that money might be some object, I would suggest that you put a big chunk of
money into getting high end radio gear and electronics ( doesn't have to be
the "best" though ) to start with and get less helicopter. Perhaps a Raptor
50 or a Voyager 50. With these helicopters you will have one that has a lot
of potential, but, is MUCH less expensive than the Vigor to repair, the
Raptor being considerably cheaper than the Voyager. If money is truly not
much concern get the Vigor and the Raptor / Voyager. You always try out new
stuff on the cheap one because it is capable and much cheaper to fly and
fix.

If you are going with the Vigor I would suggest getting at least a 70 or
80 sized engine. You can go ahead and get the 90 / 91 size if you want. It
should be pretty tame for quite a while since you will be running it rich
for break in and hovering a lot in the near future.

What about a simulator? YES, get one. I think the two best ones at the
moment are RealFlight G2 and Reflex. The RealFlight is getting long in the
tooth graphics wise, but, will still serve your needs. I hear the Reflex is
awesome, but, I have no experience with it. Just make sure you have enough
computer / graphics card to run them. In the "high quality" settings I am
sure they require a fair amount of grunt.

If you are still thinking Vigor check out FAQ section at
http://www.curtisyoungblood.com

Good Luck,

Douglas Kaip

I appreciate your help ,what about going fo something like the raptor
50 off ebay "RAPTOR 30 (assembled) FUTABA 8UHFS + MORE!! NR
never flown, all upgrades, just add fuel
FULLY ASSEMBLED RAPTOR 30 CLASS HELICOPTER WITH UPGRADE TO 49bb & O.S.
32SX-H Engine.
Very carefully built with CA and Loctite used where required. Bench
trimmed and blades balanced by helicopter expert.
Never started, no fuel ever in the tanks or engine.
FUTABA 8UHFS 8 CHANNEL SUPER COMPUTER RADIO with five(5) S3001 servos,
battery and receiver. Additional Hitec HS-525BB high speed servo for
the tail.
Helicopter Items/Upgrades in addition to standard parts:
Telebee GR701 Heading Hold Gyro
O.S. 32SX-H Engine
49bb Upgrade
Metal Swashplate
Stick Antenna
Glow Plug Extension
Header Tank with annodized aluminium mount
Upgraded Custom Muffler
Heli-Max Heli Pitch Gauge
Heli Ball Link Pliers
Kyosho Blade Balancer
Raptor 30 Crash Kit
Unassembled Great Planes Master Caddy Field Box plus:
Hobbico Power Panel
Hobbico Electric Fuel Pump & Recoil Fuel Tubing
6mm Hex Starter Extension
Panel Ready Glow Plug Clip
I'll even include Real Flight Deluxe R/C Simulator w/ Futaba
interface.
(everything you need except fuel!)
Also included are other miscellaneous parts/items such as: blade
holder, fuel line, tape, connectors, glow plugs. All manuals and
original boxes included.
Everything needed to start flying, other than fuel, is included. Save
(1000's) under the actual costs of all the items. This is a great buy
for someone that has the time to fly. My situation changed and I don't
have the time to enjoy the hobby right now

Personally, I have bad experience purchase a "never flown" + "brand new"
in box from a auction site... so, for me.. I won't be buying anymore
"never flown" things off web. On the contrary, (except for my 1st micro
heli) my Raptors are all bought used, and cheap too, at less than half
the price of a new raptor kit. Crashing is norm in this hobby, and
repair is a jiffy as long as you have the know hows... so a used kit
will work/look like brand new easily.

Raptor 30v2 is a good buy for a beginner. If money is no object, go for
a Raptor 50 v2 instead. They cost almost the same, and many parts are
identical too. But the 50v2 will take you further.

Do get an experience pilot to check and trim the heli before your first
flight.. it will take away much frustration in learning.

FWIW,

I am also new to all this helicoptering lark, and I have bought a Rap 50 V2
to learn on.

I bought it from a local model shop, and had them build it and check fly it
before I collected it.

Reasoning for this approach was -

1. Buy local, and pay over the odds, which will allow me to walk in and
ask silly questions / sort out odd issues as and when required.

2. Have it built for me, although I easily have the skill to build one,
so that I know that whilst I am learning to fly that any strange behaviour
is down to my thumbs, not the build.

3. Buy a Raptor, as the shop has experience of these, they recommend them
(as do many others), spares are plentiful and reasonably priced both in the
shop and at various places online.

4. Options on which Raptor were 30 / 50, V1 / V2. Initial thought was get
a 50 if I can afford it, and make it a V2 if I can afford it. The only thing
I couldn't do was get a 50V2 ARTF kit, which I would have preferred, so that
I would have had some hands-on knowledge of all the bits before I tried
flying.

So far, experiance has been good, bearing out some of my reasoning above.
Initial flights vere terrifying, but fun. I have had an engine issue, which
the local shop have been helpful with, and my initial crash repairs have
allowed me to get that hands-on experience of rebuilding it !! Spares have
been a reasonable price (crash repairs costing £20 - £40 so far). I ave had
to wait for bits to come in at the local shop, which was disappointing.

Cheers

DA