Mhteas 2009-10-26 05:42:32
I fly out of a non-towered airport (JYO) that’s near a large airport
(Dulles). So, I listen to the Dulles traffic sometimes while on the
ground and I’ve looked at the NOTAMs etc for Dulles too. Even flew
into it once back in training.
So, what’s a movement area or non-movement area? I gather it has
something to do with needing ground clearance, but didn’t find
anything in the AIM or FARs. (But, as has happened before, I may have
been looking in the wrong places.)
🙂 And, how do you get from a non-movement area to a movement area
if you can’t move?
Roy smith 2009-10-26 05:43:21
I think “movement area” is about the dumbest, most mis-leading name the
FAA has ever come up with for anything.
A “movement area” is just that part of the airport’s surface that is
controlled by the ground controller. Non-movement areas are places like
the ramp where you can move on your own without having to talk to ground
In other words, without talking to ground, you can move in a
non-movement area, but you can’t move in a movement area. Clear as mud.
Why couldn’t they have just named them something logical like
“controlled” and “uncontrolled” areas?
Rmg1 2009-10-26 05:44:37
Non-Movement just means you don’t need taxi clearance to taxi around
there. A lot of times the GA pad will be non-movement so you don’t
need a clearance to get to the wash rack etc.
Bob gardner 2009-10-30 11:35:30
Interesting, possibly unique, situation at Renton, WA. According to the
Special Notices in the A/FD, all taxiways and ramps up to but not including
the hold lines are non-movement areas. That’s right, you can taxi from the
ramp and on down the taxiway to the hold line without talking to anyone.
They do suggest that you monitor ground, but they don’t want to talk to you.
At the hold line, with runup complete, you can taxi onto the active (which
is a movement area
Steven p. mcn 2009-10-30 11:35:34
Why then have a ground controller at all?
Steven p. mcn 2009-10-30 11:35:39
From the Pilot/Controller Glossary:
MOVEMENT AREA- The runways, taxiways, and other areas of an airport/heliport
which are utilized for taxiing/hover taxiing, air taxiing, takeoff, and
landing of aircraft, exclusive of loading ramps and parking areas. At those
airports/heliports with a tower, specific approval for entry onto the
movement area must be obtained from ATC.
NONMOVEMENT AREAS- Taxiways and apron (ramp) areas not under the control of
Tony roberts 2009-10-30 11:36:10
Well, technically you can – but you have to push it!
Don’t say that in your exam – it was a joke.
(Sorry – couldn’t resist 🙂
Actually – it all comes down to whether you have to speak to ground or
not – which is not the best arrangement in the world – because it all
comes back to you knowing whether or not, in your particular spot, you
have to speak to ground. And of course if you knew that you wouldn’t be
asking the question. That is scary when ambiguity creeps in – that’s how
runway incursions happen.
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David herman 2009-10-30 11:37:29
AFAIK, they don’t. It’s just one poor, (usually) overworked guy in the
tower. I’m told he’s busy enough sorting out things that they simply prefer
that pilots taxiing around work things out amongst themselves, as they would
at a non-tower field. If you call up on Ground he’s not going to chew you
out, but it’s not required.
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Steven p. mcn 2009-10-30 11:37:34
If there’s no ground controller why have a ground control frequency?