tannwttz

Jeeze, I haven't seen a shocker like that since My Pet Goat on 9/11. Sandy

Who IS the shadow of the waxwing slain, no really?

paul m. cook©®

The silence on ASC this morning is palpable.

I tuned in 30 minutes late dreading another replay of 2000. Holy sweet
mother of crap! Bush blew it and I mean BIG time! He broke the debate
rules, he was like a deer in the headlights, glazed, confused, petulant,
testy, jingoistic and endlessly reptitive. "Being me is hard work." Then
the RTNC excusing Bush as being too tired from a long day. The debates did
eat into his bedtime after all.

All hat, no cattle.

Paul

james

And on the flip side of the coin, Kerry did exactly what he needed to
do, to remain a strong contender. I listened and/or watched most of
it. If nothing else, it was certainly entertaining.


-James

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ken dixon

Didn't watch it. Better things to do, and like most of America I'm NOT
undecided.

Ken in Miami

tom line

Pretty boring debate. Both guys saying the same things they've said for
months. Kerry's wife could however use a monacle and dueling scar.

françois yves le gal

You're decidedly a moron, Dixon.

gwb3483

Kerry was slick; I'll give him style points.
My favorite point was Kerry's "Global Test" before we can act on our own
behalf.

One thing I wish the President would pointed out is how "mixed messages"
encourage our enemies. Much like Kerry's efforts in the seventies encouraged
Ho Chi Minh.

jts

Well you know, not just anyone can be jingoistic.

wesley

I watched, Bush nailed him on some of the facts but let many get away, he
was not smooth. Kerry was little concerned with facts his arguments were all
assertion "You did bad, I will do better" he was slick as snake shit. But
these debates are not for those who are well informed. Kerry won but will
the public vote for a man so obviously well trained or will they feel like
they just had a conversation with a very good salesman?

capitalistpig

In your opinion. Kerry won the style contest...Bush won the
substance...in my opinion. I found the questions to be largely
different versions of the same thing. We got Kerry to confirm the
"permission slip" issue...and his indecision on war and his silliness on
waving his magic wand and creating world peace by bringing together
everyone he has insulted and criticized...certainly leader material.

John Kerry Made At Least 16 Inaccurate Statements During Last Night's
Debate

1. Kerry Inaccurately Claimed Cuts In Homeland Security Funding Caused
NYC Subway To Be Closed During The RNC Convention. "In an early exchange
about homeland security, Kerry got it wrong when he claimed President
Bush's cuts in funding for infrastructure protection was 'why they had
to close down the subway in New York when the Republican Convention was
there.' The only problem is that no subway service beneath Madison
Square Garden was suspended during the convention, even as buses were
diverted and gridlock ruled the streets." ("Subway Flub Derails
Challenger," The New York Post, 10/1/04)

2. Kerry Falsely Claimed He Had ³Made A Mistake In How² He Talked About
His Vote Against The $87 Billion, Despite Previously Saying It Would Be
"Irresponsible" To Vote Against Funding For Our Troops. (CBS¹ ³Face The
Nation,² 9/14/03)

3. Kerry Claimed He's "Never, Ever" Used Word "Lying" In Reference To
President Bush On Iraq, But In December 2003 Kerry Told A New Hampshire
Editorial Board Bush "Lied" About Reasons For Going To War In Iraq And
In September 2003 Kerry Said Bush Administration "Lied" And "Misled."
(Patrick Healy, "Kerry Camp Lowers N.H. Expectations Behind In Polls,
Senator Now Seeks Spot In 'Top Two,'" The Boston Globe, 12/8/03; Sen.
John Kerry, Campaign Event, Claremont, NH, 9/20/03)

4. According To FactCheck.Org, Kerry's "Cost" For The Iraq War Is Off By
$80 Billion. ("Distortions And Misstatements At First Presidential
Debate," FactCheck.org, 10/1/04, http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=271, Accessed 10/1/04)

5. According To FactCheck.Org, Kerry "Overstated The Case" On Osama Bin
Laden's Alleged Escape At Tora Bora. ("Distortions And Misstatements At
First Presidential Debate," FactCheck.org, 10/1/04, http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=271, Accessed 10/1/04)

6. Kerry Made Assumption The UN Was Willing To Continue Sanctions
Against Iraq Despite The Fact They Were Becoming "Increasingly Unpopular
With Key Nations." (Glenn Kessler And Walter Pincus, "Few Factual
Errors, But Truth Got Stretched At Times," The Washington Post, 10/1/04)

7. Kerry Misspoke And Said Weapons Of Mass Destruction Were "Crossing
The (Iraq) Border Every Single Day." "The AP noted that Kerry misspoke
when he said 'we got weapons of mass destruction crossing the (Iraq)
border every single day, and they're blowing people up.' Kerry meant
terrorists were crossing the border, not nuclear weapons." ("Distortions
And Misstatements At First Presidential Debate," FactCheck.org, 10/1/04, http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=271, Accessed 10/1/04)

8. Kerry Claimed U.S. Soldiers Are "90 Percent Of The Casualties In
Iraq," But The Wall Street Journal Puts U.S. Casualties Closer To 50%
When You Include Iraqis Helping To Secure Their Own Country. (Editorial,
"Our Kerry Iraq Guide," The Wall Street Journal, 9/30/04)

9. Kerry Falsely Claimed President Bush Diverted Forces From Afghanistan
To Iraq; Gen. Tommy Franks Said It's "Absolutely Incorrect" That
Resources Were Diverted From Afghanistan. (General Tommy Franks, ABC
Radio's "The Sean Hannity Show," 9/21/04)

10. Kerry Falsely Claimed The Bush Administration Has Not Organized An
International Summit To Discuss Iraq. "Reality Check: The administration
has, in fact, organized just such a conference, in consultation with
Iraqi and other Arab allies. It will be held in Cairo late in November,
with the foreign ministers of the G8 countries (i.e. including antiwar
countries such as France, Germany and Russia), China, the countries of
the Arab League, Turkey and Iran invited to attend. If it goes ahead, it
will mark the most significant attempt to forge a political consensus on
Iraq since the war." (Tony Karon, "Reality Check: John Kerry," Time.com, http://www.time.com/time/election200...703913,00.html, 10/1/04)

11. Kerry Falsely Claimed The President Is "Cutting The COPS Program,"
When The Truth Is President Bush Has Already Met And Exceeded The COPS
Program's 100,000 Officer Goal By 18 Percent. (http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/Default.asp?Item=1056)

12. Kerry Claimed Gen. Shinseki Was Retired For Testimony On Iraq When
In Fact Shinseki's Retirement Was Announced In April 2002, Long Before
He Testified About Potential Conduct Of Iraq War. (Bill Gertz and Rowan
Scarborough, "Inside The Ring," The Washington Times, 4/19/02)

13. Kerry Misleadingly Claimed He Can Bring More Allies Into Iraq.
"Reality Check: It wasn't the President's credibility that kept most of
the international community out of Iraq; it was, and is, the policies
pursued by the U.S. in Iraq. But Kerry is broadly committed to the same
policies. And if, as he says, other countries will participate because
they have a stake in the outcome, the presumably they would do so no
matter who was President of the United States." (Tony Karon, "Reality
Check: John Kerry," Time.com, http://www.time.com/time/election200...703913,00.html, 10/1/04)

14. Kerry Claimed To Have His Own Four-Point Plan For Iraq, But It
Mirrors The President's Plan. "Kerry's planŠ is pretty much a checklist
of recent initiatives adopted by the Bush Administration." (Tony Karon,
"Reality Check: John Kerry," Time.com, http://www.time.com/time/election200...703913,00.html, 10/1/04)

15. Kerry Falsely Stated The Agreement With North Korea Broke Down
Because The President Didn't Continue The Clinton Administration's
Policy. "Reality Check: While the Yongbon facility was under scrutiny
and the fuel rods were sealed, North Korea has since admitted to running
a secret parallel uranium-enrichment program to create weapons-grade
fissile material in the years following the agreement reached with the
Clinton administration, in violation of that agreement." (Tony Karon,
"Reality Check: John Kerry," Time.com, http://www.time.com/time/election200...703913,00.html, 10/1/04)

16. Kerry Falsely Claimed The "Reason For Going To War Was Weapons Of
Mass Destruction, Not The Removal Of Saddam Hussein," But The 2002 Use
Of Force Resolution Kerry Voted For Specifically Recognized Longstanding
Regime Change Policy. (Public Law No. 107-243, Signed Into Law 10/16/02)

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