Michael shosha 2009-01-18 20:53:15
Saw the thread about White Owl Invincibles, with a sidetrack to El
Producto, and I thought I’d add a few that I have tasted the past
couple of weeks.
I’m a moderate income person so I thought I’d cast my net about to see
what sort of decent machine-made cigar I could find. To that end I
ordered two full boxes of 50 cigars, plus about a half-dozen or so
five packs from a couple of suppliers. In this mess I found some
sticks that were very nearly Cigarden Of Eden, but I found at least
one that was Cigarbage – and that one surprised me considering the
hype its makers give it.
The full boxes I bought were Amish Pennsylvanian Blend #1 and DeMuth’s
Golden Lion. Both are owned and made by Domestic Tobacco Company in
Amish Pennsylvania Blend #1 is, I believe, the company’s only offering
that consists of Pennsylvania broadleaf wrapper, PA broadleaf binder,
and a blend of Pennsylvania fillers. I thought this cigar was very
good – it started off mild but with flavor, and about 1/3 down a nice
nuttiness kicked in. If you smoke it too fast it sours just a little
toward the end, but overall I thought it was a nice cigar, especially
for the price, which at about $45 for the box averages about .90 per
cigar. They’re 6″ by 45 ring gauge.
Demuth’s Golden Lion owns up to having a Connecticut shade wrapper,
but they don’t tell you what’s in the binder and filler. It’s a
pleasant cigar but not one I think I’d re-order…it’s a bit too mild
for me. I’m much more a broadleaf fan than a shade fan when it comes
to wrappers – I like the depth of flavor that a good, dark broadleaf
offers. The cigars also arrived very dry, with some wrappers starting
to unravel – I don’t know to what extent any flavor subltleties were
lost because of that. (By contrast, the Amish PA cigars arrived fresh
and almost perfectly humidified. Maybe I should order another box of
DeMuth, but ask that they ship it from the factory rather than from
the retail store.) I did like the size, though – I’m fond of smaller
cigars, and this one looks to be about a 5″ by 42 or 43 ring gauge.
I obtained one five pack each of John Hay Diplomat (6″x46) in natural
and maduro. I cannot speak well enough of these long filler cigars. PA
broadleaf wrapper and binder, and a filler that is mostly PA with some
Connecticut and Maryland added. These run $80 a box, a bit high for
machine cigars but I’ve seen others that run similar so apparently
this is not unusual. Don’t think I’d smoke one every day just because
of the price (The Amish Pennsylvanian is plenty nice for an everyday
smoke), but these are lovely cigars nonetheless.
My other end of the machine cigar spectrum was provided by Finck Cigar
Company of San Antonio TX. I ordered five packs of Travis Club Maduro
Plaza (6″ x 43), Havana Club Doubloon (6″ x 43 or so), Maravilloso
(hand made) Cetro (6 X 42) and the handmade Lamb’s Club Seconds in a
Corona size, as well as a box of 25 Little Joe Steeplechase (6.5 x 42
Travis Club Maduro…I know this is Finck’s flagship machine brand,
and I tried really hard to like them, but I just can’t. I think they
are made with gunpowder from the Alamo, they are so peppery. Halfway
through, the flavor turns to mush. I have yet to be able to finish
Little Joe starts off with promise, but the three I’ve smoked so far
start tasting like eraser shavings about halfway through. Still, that
first half is worth something, so I’m not complaining. Much.
Havana Blend I thought shows lots of promise. If they still have leaf
from the 1959 crop they must be down to using fractions of a leaf per
cigar 🙂 but I found this cigar to be easily the tastiest of the
bunch. Not sure if I’d buy a whole box – I think value for dollar wise
I’m better off spending $80 on some John Hay, if I can make up my mind
whether I like the natural or maduro better. But I’d definitely keep a
five pack of Havana on hand for a change of pace.
Maravilloso I found to be bland and very one-dimensional. Lamb’s Club
Seconds were backordered, so I don’t have them yet.
Such is life in the land of domestic machine made cigars sitting in a
150 cigar humidor in the currently very chilly springtime in Chicago.
Anyone have any perspective on these to offer? Or any suggestions for
other machine made cigars that sort of fit the PA mold? (Besides
Topper and Muniemaker – I can get five packs of those any time I want
at my local CVS pharmacy!)
Miss elaine eo 2009-01-18 20:54:51
Thanks for the great reviews!
Please take off your shoes before arriving at my in-box.
Lots of good cigar info, the ASC Birthday page, FAQs, vendors and more at
A “great” review is one with the name of the cigar before the review text
in the body of the post. 🙂
Skyhawkxp 2009-01-18 20:55:15
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 00:59:23 GMT, Michael Shoshani
Thanks for the review(s).
Alex w. 2009-01-18 20:59:05
Thanks for the reviews!
Some genuinely exotic smokes, as far as I am concerned!
Marc schneider 2009-01-18 20:59:13
Thanks Michael for the reviews. I’ve “experienced” the Amish cigars
and found them to be historical value only: I think base cigars in the
civil war times probably tasted like the Amish blend. I found them
flavorless with burn problems and poor construction.
Thanks again for the excellent critique of cigars that ASCers don’t
normally venture into.
Time 2009-01-18 21:01:20
Lee 2009-01-18 21:03:00
You can get much better bundle cigars for the same money.
Coj 2009-01-18 21:07:26
Thanks for the reviews!
Interesting reading…I have one or two Amish Cigars…might need to
I’ve saved them, thinking they where some oddity best suited for looking at
rather then smoke.
Uncle grumpy 2009-01-18 21:07:35
That was your first mistake.
Without having smoked a single stick of those you reviewed, I’m sure I
can say without qualification that THE ALL SUCK.
Where do you live in Chicago?
I might have to take you under my wing.
Nativetexan_1 2009-01-18 21:09:10
”The” all suck? Dumbass UG has really shown his a** this time. Isn’t he
the one who complained about ignorant people not being able to spell
earlier? Of course, he is. What a dumbass!
Uncle grumpy 2009-01-18 21:10:06
Only a f****** dumbass like yourself would leap on an obvious typo to
find something to rant about.
No… not dumbass, make that MORON.
Dan 2009-01-18 21:11:29
What was the purpose of that post??
You apparently have a Texas Longhorn up your a** over a few people that post
here that’s causing you some irritation.
(or is that your head?)
Either way, your sniping is gonna keep you in my septic tank until the stink
Dan………the Plumber man, doing the paper work
BTW, since you’re new…………………………
Ploink has nothing to do with kill-files.
It’s the sound a t*** makes when it hits the water in the toilet bowl.
Hutch 2009-01-18 21:13:49
Not really all that new. The bigot popped up a while back and
immediately went into most everyone’s kilfile.
Get Kinky in 2006….Why The H*** Not?
Craig vandersl 2009-01-18 21:20:30
hmm…..exotic smokes eh?
(Craig is an anagram of Cigar)
e-mail: c-slice *at* verizon *dot* net
Project Pink – http://www.cigarcrawl.com/pink.html
Sandman 2009-01-18 21:20:44
Dan, that rubbish you just posted is as bad as his….pot/kettle!
Alternating Sig. Line:
If there’s no need for ASCClubhouse….there’s no need for
Mlf 2009-01-18 21:30:58
Actually, I have tried them. In addition, I have also tried some from F.D.
Grave, still made in Connecticut. In total, they are all inferior to most
Caribbean cigars. However, my opinion is worth just about what anyone else’s
is – nothing. I suggest everyone give them a try. You might like one and
it’s comforting to know that you’re supporting the remnants of the US cigar
Michael Fermanis fermanis@RICEsprynet.com
New Orleans, Louisiana USA (Remove the RICE to reply)
Btorvik2 2009-01-18 21:46:29
I smoked some F.D. Graves when I first started smoking cigars.
Not that bad as I recall.
On the other hand I haven’t smoked one in years so they couldn’t have been
that great either. 🙂
“Official ASC Shaman”
Mlf 2009-01-18 22:09:32
They also make Munimaker and some other brands:
New Orleans, Louisiana USA firstname.lastname@example.org
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