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douglas_j_reynolds

This was an impressive article on what should be a dynamite new text engine. But why, if it is the same engine as InDesign, is it so SLOWWWW? Typing text into the middle of a few paragraphs takes 3-5 seconds PER CHARACTER!!!

G4 800 mHz 512 RAM 10.2.8

doug_katz@adobeforums.com

Sure does.

jamie_dennis@adobeforums.com

Hello all,

After reading most of this entire thread I have a few comments. I am a designer for a company that produces packaging files. I am also responsible for all of our CPUs, software, etc. I too bought several copies of the complete CS package without knowing about this type issue. My bad for not researching this.

We have several hundred if not thousands of package files that get updated all the time. They have tons of text on each that needs to be edited on a daily basis. We use several printers to print our material and ALL of them are still using AI8 and show no sign of upgrading anytime soon.

I can understand Adobe's stance on wanting to improve the software but now like Adam I am stuck with unusable software. There is no way our boss is going to pay us to redo the files in CS and also take the risk of our printers getting a file that they can't use. They often need to make a last minute adjustment to our text right before press time, i.e., a UPC code and PBM number, etc. So they have to be able to update our files.

I really hope Adobe has some plan to help us all fix this problem, it really almost seems like they don't care.

I'm all for using the latest and greatest software/hardware but this is ridiculous!

I'll see ya back in AI10, happy editing...

gary_newman@adobeforums.com

"We use several printers to print our material and ALL of them are still using AI8 and show no sign of upgrading anytime soon."

Are you sure? Most of the printers I'm familiar with still prefer files from older versions of Illustrator - why shouldn't they; it's what they're most familiar with - but they generally at least have a copy of the newer version just in case.

So what are you doing with Illustrator 10? Saving back to AI8 format to send off your files? Do you have to get your printer's approval to upgrade your creative software? I can understand the lament when your client can't or doesn't wish to upgrade, but I'm sorry, - I don't think there's any excuse for a "service bureau" to refuse anything newer than Illustrator 8.

justin_roszkowski@adobeforums.com

I have a similar question for you. Most of the clients we work with are still using Illustrator 8. If you save a file as a AI 8 file from AICS, your text and images will all get cut up and re formatted.

Now what happens if your client is working in 8 and wants to do minor corrections? Is there a way of not destroying everything.

gary_newman@adobeforums.com

You can create a file that is editable in an older version, like AI8, but you bring up two separate issues. Text and images only get cut up or rasterized if some kind of transparency is used in the file - AI8 does not support transparency. Having text be editable in AI8 is a different issue. A legacy file exported from CS and opened in AI8 will have any text broken into bits of point type, but all its font, size and style attributes will be retained. It will look just like the CS file from which it came. If you need to edit the file in CS, you’ll have to select the type as a block with one of the arrow tools and cut it. With the Type tool, drag out a text box and paste. The type will flow in correctly, but you may have to further edit it for spacing and leading.

ann_shelbourne@adobeforums.com

Douglas and Doug:

Could the slow type-setting that you are seeing be due to you both using Jaguar? I don't see this problem in Panther?

Or could it be due to font conflicts?
Try replacing Helvetica, Symbol, Times and Zapf Dingbats .dfonts with either Type 1s or OTFs in System/Library/Fonts.

doug_katz@adobeforums.com

Ann, I'll be upgrading shortly. IN THE MEANTIME, do me a small favor when you get
a chance:

Drag out an area type block. Fill it with type (gibberish if you have little time). Apply
some "advanced" settings to it, e.g., OpenType font with ligatures, alternates, and
the like, Optical kerning, Optical margin alignment, Everyline composer. Make sure
you have two or three relatively dense paragraphs' worth of type. Maybe add some
"space after" in the Paragraphs palette. Maybe even assign this chunk of text a
Paragraph style.

OK. Now set your type cursor back into the type block. Anywhere. Now add a word.
or two. Delete some letters. Rearrange some pieces of the text. Add a few "dischys."

You see no slowdown in Panther? No waiting for keystrokes to display? If not, then
I'll be very relieved to conclude it's Jaguar which, in turn, will accelerate my upgrade
schedule. But someone here said he was seeing the SAME delays in Panther....

ann_shelbourne@adobeforums.com

<< You see no slowdown in Panther? No waiting for keystrokes to display? >>

I tried this using Adobe Jenson Pro.otf with ALL the bells ringing and all the whistles blowing. No visible slow down!

If type input is slow on your machine with Every Line composing, try going into Single Line mode while editing and then switching back to Every Line mode.

Although Illustrator CS purportedly uses the new text engine, but it is far more highly developed in InDesign CS where you have the Paragraph Composer and the ability to use all the attributes of the OTF fonts.

If I have anything that uses more than a few words of Type, I prefer to take the illustrator images into InDesign and add the body-text there.