Are you aware that the PCRM are even bigger liars than
Jon et al put together? Plastering Jon's house with flyers
from that outfit would in fact be worse than letting him
have his say, in my opinion.

Absolutely false, you haven't even looked. Most of the new threads are
posted by ARAs and vegans. I virtually NEVER start a thread, neither does Rick.


Another falsehood, you know zero about any of us.

What a disgusting pile of steaming crap! American patriots, holocaust my
ass, you raving amateur sophist.


Silence those who disagree with you, nice start for an aspiring fascist.

I'm not promoting meat, I'm too busy exposing hate-mongering little pukes you.


yawn...

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Another outright ly by the first-loonie of usenet. I haven't started any
threads here for quite some time. It's already a full time job replying to
your ignorance. You have started far more threads displaying your stupidity
than the number of posts I've ever started.

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Far more than you, killer.

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LOL That's all vegans?AR loons do, so you should know the drill, hypocrite.

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Come on and try littleboy. See if you make it past the drive way.

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Banning is all your side. It's all about you and your religion, stupid.

All three are liars, fraudsters and have no interest in animals. They are
here for the purposes of disruption.
Every single time they fail.

You sound like sick rick.

Come off it - you are only annoyed because he missed you off his loony list.

Sorry I have not taken you seriously. Few of us do!

True, they don't usually start threads but they ARE noxious trolls.


A very precarious and subjective statement. You don't know that, you're just defending your buddies.

To say nothing of some vegans who are evasive, arrogant, condescending, and obnoxious.

You would know a lot about sanctimony.

I wonder how isolated farm animal cruelty really is, and what percentage of
violations are actually prosecuted. Do you really know or are you going to
lengths to distance yourself from the AR crowd?


As you should...


You're slandering pansies in gardens everywhere.


I'd say the dude is delusional, maybe even sociopathic. Not much different
from the lowlifes he's dissing.

No. You just don't like what we say, mr. semi-"vegan".
You call anyone saying something you don't like to
hear a "troll". The word has no real meaning.


Actually, he's playing some pretty good averages.
"aras" are almost always low-skill marginals, and
frequently are out-and-out parasites. "ar" is an
extremist leftwing movement, and extreme leftists are usually unproductive.

That would be all "vegans". usual suspect is not a
"vegan"; he eats a strictly vegetarian diet. There's a
difference, but it's too subtle for a brick like you.


Only from being on the receiving end of it from prigs like you.


He's never been part of the "ar" crowd.

I'd say you're incoherent, SeeJames. You're close to
"vegan", and to the extent you've moved in that
direction, it's for the same reasons "vegans" follow
"vegan" diets - maudlin sentimentality about animals -
but you can't explain why you're not all the way there.

"This newsgroup"? You posted your silly whine to three newsgroups. Don't you
even know where you post?

You have no idea what they do or do not contribute.


The vast majority of patrons would not bother to read them, just as the vast
majority don't bother to read them now. Candidly, animal rights hasn't
caught on (beyond a small minority) because the PR is inadequate. It's
because your "message" is patently absurd and you are a bunch of bigoted,
whiny, self-righteous lunatics. In other words, people don't believe your
silly theories and they don't like you.

This is a typical threat, and a clear illustration why you are almost
universally despised as a group. Any moderately organized gaggle of fascist
kooks seeking to impose ludicrous requirements and theories by force on the
public will get precisely the same reaction.

I don't read as many posts as you claim to (and your time might be better
served getting an education instead of indulging your morbid intellectual
tics and diet obsessions), but I see little, if any, promotion of meat in di
ets in t.p.a. What I do see is unabashed ridicule - and I must say, it is
richly deserved - of dietary practices that are not based on health. I have
no doubt that with careful attention and effort, adults can consume a vegan
diet and remain healthy. But you attempt to disguise dietary obsessions
based on "theories" of rights behind a mantle of "better health". It's not
only a transparent ruse, it's silly. People have never been motivated very
much by risk reduction. If they were, they wouldn't drive cars, build houses
with steps in them, or sunbathe. A quick drive on a freeway, tour of a
subdivision, or trip to the beach clearly shows that vast numbers of people
simply ignore very real risks. You and your ilk need a better strategy.
Fortunately for mankind, you're too stupid to realize it or to devise anything better.

I can see you standing in an auditorium. You're back in the cheap seats with
your unkempt appearance and pencil neck poking yourself in the chest with a
dirty fingernail, proclaiming in your prepubescent voice that if THEY are
not "banned", *you* cannot be "banned". It's quite the image...

Speaking for myself, I would vigorously oppose banning you and your
co-religionists even if it could be done in an unmoderated newsgroup. Your
posts reveal your lunacy far more clearly than any argument your opponents
could ever make. The more people read, the more they despise you. The more
they despise you, the greater your bunker mentality becomes. The greater
your bunker mentality becomes, the more nakedly you reveal your lust for
power. I think it's all working quite well. Why change anything?

It's not so much what you say as it is how you say it.

Mmmm, I bet the vast majority of people here would also consider you a
troll. Clearly you are.

Not true, I've met several very intelligent and well educated AR vegans.
They do, however, tend to be pretty far to the left.

"I am vegan (and I am not the only Republican I know who is one)."
Usual Suspect, June 14, 2002

" I am vegan
primarily for health reasons; that there are other benefits (reduced
pollution, less harm to animals, etc.) is also very appealing."
Usual Suspect, May 9, 2002

"I post here because I am vegan. I try to offer as much assistance as I
can. Jonathan David Ball (who is a slacker in SoCal) is not veg-n, but
trolls this newsgroup." :^)
Usual Suspect, November 18, 2002

Lots more evidence out there that you're wrong. [snip]

Of course I could explain why I'm vegetarian, and quite coherently.

They're not trolls. "A TROLL is a person who posts messages to usenet
with the intent of getting people to answer it. Posts are usually off
topic. Trolls do this for any number of reasons. Just to see who
answers, or all the way to trying to find email addresses to send them
spam."
http://www.smr-usenet.com/def/index.shtml

Since their posts are responses, they're on topic insofar as the threads
are actually on topic. Just because they're not in goose-step agreement
with vegans doesn't make them trolls.

They're not morons. They make plenty of sense in their posts. A moron is
clinically defined as having an IQ between 50 and 70. As for their
contributions to society, they all appear to have gainful employment,
they don't seem to get in much trouble with the law, and they appear to
have loving families.

As was pointed out by Jon's reply, AR people are leftists. Leftists have
a lot of time on their hands because they're underachievers. They had
time to raze Seattle a few years ago, they burned a bunch of Hummers
last week, and their "activism" is always more destructive rather than
constructive. To my knowledge, the three men accused of being trolls
haven't engaged in that kind of behavior.


Yeah, you should stop being like that.

I learned it from you.

I don't have to separate myself from ARAs, because I've never been for
animal rights (I am for humane treatment, though). I'm pro-hunting. I'm
pro-angling. What part of that don't you understand?

As for what I really know, I was born and raised on a ranch. I worked in
agriculture during summers and fall harvests even after we moved to the
city. I still have family involved in agriculture, including ranching. I
have friends with farming and dairy interests. I've had my own endeavors
in agriculture, including goat milk production, in my younger adulthood.
I've castrated bulls, pigs, and goats, and never had an incident
involving bleeding or sustained pain. I've raised and slaughtered those
species plus chickens, ducks, deer, feral hogs, you name it. Our animals
always had lots of space, plenty to eat, plenty to drink, immediate
veterinarian care when sick or injured, etc.

I know that healthy animals gain weight faster than sickly ones: time is
money in agriculture. I know that healthy animals bring significantly
more cash at auction that sickly ones. In other words, it's not in a
farmer's or rancher's economic interest to treat his income in a shoddy,
haphazard manner. Those who mistreat or malnourish their livestock pay a
double price for it if caught, and pay heavily for it even if not caught.

What else would you like to know, asshole?


I would've called him something else but it would've been an insult to felines.

You ought to know.

Baseless malicious slander from a proven ignorant unhinged git.