fabioba_brito

Nada como uma boa conspiração para voltar a postar na scb
Há outras coisas estranhas no vídeo que o autor do artigo deixa de
fora, por exemplo um dos executores usar um anel de ouro, o que
aparentemente não é permitido pelo Islã. Está cheirando armação para a
pláteia de trouxas.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...641717320.html

Who killed Nick Berg?
May 29, 2004

Conspiracy theories about how the kidnapped American died in Iraq are
flying around the world. Richard Neville explores the explanations.

Iraq in flames, Washington an object of disgust. What to do? At this
pivotal moment, CNN and Fox News are tipped off to a clip of an
American citizen being beheaded. The victim is a 26-year-old idealist
from Pennsylvania, Nick Berg. Despite the perpetrators being masked,
the vile deed is deemed the work of al-Qaeda.

The clip was first "discovered" on an Islamic website in Malaysia. Its
Arabic title reads "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi shown slaughtering an
American". al-Zarqawi is a 38-year-old Jordanian militant who fled to
Iraq in 2001 after reportedly losing a leg in a US missile strike.
al-Zarqawi's face is widely known and he credits himself with the
deed, so why a mask?

The timing of the video was brilliant for the West. Media pundits
judged the crime a deeper evil than the systemic torture of innocent
Iraqis. But some people sensed a rat. But if it was not al-Qaeda, who?
Surely not Uncle Sam. That's too dark, even for the CIA.

While this video shows a human body having its head chopped off, it
does not necessarily portray an act of murder. Berg's headless body
was found dumped on a Baghdad roadside on Saturday, May 8.

Three days later, the "live beheading" clip was uploaded from London
to the Malaysian website http://www.al-ansar.biz. The statement in the
video is signed with al-Zarqawi's name, dated May 11. After Fox News
and CNN had downloaded the video, it disappeared from the site.

As no autopsy is available, little is known about the state of the
body. No time of death, no forensic analysis. On April 6, a month
before the discovery of the corpse, Berg had been released from
custody. But whose custody?

Dan Senor, adviser to the US Presidential Envoy in Iraq, has said Berg
was never held by the Americans. Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt, the
Coalition's deputy head of operations, claimed he was in the custody
of Iraqi police from March 24 to April 6. However, the Iraqi police
chief, Major-General Mohammed Khair al-Barhawi, told Associated Press
"the Iraqi police never arrested the slain American".

Berg's family are certain his jailers were the US military. His
father, Michael, had been told so by the FBI. He has produced an email
from a US consular official in Baghdad, Beth Payne, confirming that
his son was in the hands of the US. (Later, another official said this
was an error.) On April 5 in the Philadelphia office of the US Supreme
Court, the Berg family had launched an action against the US military
for false imprisonment. The following day, Berg was released.

The issue of custody is significant; in his final moments on screen
Berg is wearing an orange jumpsuit of the kind familiar from
Guantanamo Bay. The official reasons for Berg's arrest were "lack of
documentation" and "suspicious activities". He carried sensitive
electronic equipment for which he lacked documents. In custody, he was
visited three times by the FBI. Such interviews are bound to have been
recorded but no transcripts have been produced.

After his release, Berg travelled to Baghdad and the $30-a-night
Al-Fanar Hotel. A fellow hotel guest told Newsday that Berg recounted
how Iraqi police had quickly handed him to US authorities in Mosul and
that he had been held the entire time in a jail where his guards were
US soldiers.

Berg was in Baghdad to win contracts for his family firm, Prometheus
Methods Tower Service, a provider of communications facilities. He
often "worked at night on a tower in the neighbourhood of Abu Ghraib",
according to The New York Times.

The family last heard from him on April 9, when he said he was
planning to leave Iraq via Kuwait as soon as it was safe. Berg was
last seen walking with his bags the following day, apparently hoping
to find his way through the turmoil engulfing the city and make it to
the border.

On March 7, 2004, two weeks before his arrest in Mosul, an "enemies
list" had been posted on a conservative website, FreeRepublic.com. The
list was compiled from signatories to an anti-war petition, and its
implied purpose was to encourage readers to harass those it named.

Berg's father was on that list, as was the family firm, Prometheus.
This information may well have triggered the arrest of Berg in Iraq.

Berg's politics are not clear. His father, Michael, has described his
son as a "staunch supporter" of US President George Bush. Friends said
Nick believed he could help rebuild Iraq "one radio tower at a time".
According to The New York Times, he was attracted to the Hebrew
concept of tikkun olam - healing the world through social action.

The first few seconds of the video shows Berg sitting on a white
plastic chair in an orange jumpsuit. He speaks directly to the camera
in a relaxed way: "My name is Nick Berg ... I have a brother and
sister, David and Sara. I live in Philadelphia." His white chair is
identical to those in the photographs of the Abu Ghraib prison
tortures, but such chairs are probably common in Iraq. It is highly
likely that this segment is edited from the interrogation of Berg
during his 13 days of custody.

In the next scene, Berg is sitting on the floor with five masked
figures standing behind him. We do not see the figures enter. Berg
looks lifeless, though his body appears to make slight movements. A
man reads a lengthy Arabic statement in a passionless monotone. He is
identified as "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi", a Jordanian associate of Osama
bin Laden who is tied to dozens of terrorist acts.

Yet a leaflet recently circulated in Falluja, by no means a reliable
source, claims that al-Zarqawi was killed in the Sulaimaniya mountains
of northern Iraq during a US bombing. A US military report last month
has claimed al-Zarqawi was killed in the bombing of Falluja.

Also, the US Secretary of State, Colin Powell, has said that
al-Zarqawi was fitted with a prosthetic leg in a Baghdad hospital, yet
the tape shows no evidence of a limp. CNN staff familiar with
al-Zarqawi's voice have been quoted as saying the voice does not sound
like his.

Among the many curiosities raised on the web about the fanatical five
are:

· They are well-fed, fidgety, and reveal glimpses of white skin.

· Their Arabic is heavily accented (Russian, Jordanian, Egyptian).

· An aside in Russian had been translated as "do it quickly".

· One character wears wears bulky white tennis shoes.

· The man on the far left stands in the familiar "at ease" military
posture.

· The men's scarves are worn and tied by people who "haven't a clue",
says conspiracy theorist Hector Carreon, like actors in Hollywood
movies.

· There is even a voice at the end that seems to ask in English, "How
will it be done?" [http://www.aztlan.net/nick_berg_how_done.htm]

None of this proves a grand conspiracy, but it does raise questions.
In the final segment of the tape, Berg is thrown to the ground, but
doesn't move. During the decapitation, starting at the front of the
throat, there is little sign of blood. The scream is wildly out of
sync, sounds female, and is obviously dubbed.

Dr John Simpson, executive director for surgical affairs at the Royal
Australasian College of Surgeons, told Ritt Goldstein of the Asia
Times, "I would have thought that all the people in the vicinity would
have been covered in blood, in a matter of seconds ... if it [the
video] was genuine".

Simpson agrees with other experts who find it highly probable that
Berg had died before his decapitation.

But there is still the problem of Berg's slight body movements while
sitting on the floor, before the beheading. According to a blogger
(internet diarist), Nick Possum, "this footage was subsequently
modified frame by frame to make Berg's body move very occasionally".
Apparently, this can be achieved with "commonly available software".
[http://www.brushtail.com.au/nick_berg_hypothesis.html]

Possum believes "the available evidence surrounding the case suggests
that it was a 'black operation' by US psychological warfare
specialists ... to provide the media with a moral relativity argument
to counter the adverse publicity over torture at Abu Ghraib". The use
of FBI footage in the opening sequence, if confirmed, suggests the
involvement of high-level US Government operatives.

I do not know who killed Nick Berg, or how he died. But there's
something fishy about this video.

In the end, the question is: who killed Nick Berg, and why?

joão canali

Tenho então a propor uma ótima teoria conspiratoria: O mundo hoje não seria
comandado mais pelos lideres do G7, pelas 6 irmãs (uma morreu acidentada em
um merge), por um grupo de banqueiros judeus, pela Golden Haw ou Bones and
Skull, nenhum dos suspeitos usuais... Seria um conselho de Dudas Mendonças
da vida, o pessoal que cuida do marketing dos politicos... Como publicidade
de quinta anunciando trabalhos em casa, nada o que vemos é real, tudo
apenas uma colocação de marketing. O chefe dos marketeiros é tão poderoso
que nem sabemos seu nome... Todavia não é uma arataca new rich como o Duda
Mendinça que opera com pinguços de porta de sindicato, ele cuida das
mentiras e falsas imagens do governo americano, dessa Esparta moderna.

Então, nesse episódio, temos que ele raciocinou que a melhor maneira de
impor ordem entre os turcos do Iraque era mostrar a eles que os americanos
eram tão maus quanto Saddan, mente primitiva só teme quem seja tão ou mais
cruento do que eles próprios (de fato as coisas sucegaram um bocado depois
que divulgaram as fotos das torturas, em vez de dez caixões embandeirados
por dia a coisa caiu para uns dois...) aí providenciou essa misteirosa
aparição de fotos de sapatonas bichas (sapatona bicha são aquelas que
engravidam também) com seus namorados pit-mariners torturando os
prisioneiros iraquianos (passar a mão na bunda de um muçulmano é o mesmo
que deserdá-lo daquele paraiso cheio de virgens...). Maquiavelicamente,
Duda Smith, vamos chamá-lo assim, sabia que esse negócio de tortura era um
remédio com terriveis efeitos colaterais para seu menino de discursos nas
próximas eleições, tinha que por um breque na estoria e recolocar as coisas
em seus devidos lugares, os açougueiros bárbaros continuam sendo esses
janizaros turcos... vamos providenciar uma Maria Antonieta qualquer e
mostrar isso ao mundo... Assim eles esquecem o negocio da tortura...

Quem estavam usando aqueles capuzes eram pit-mariners e sapatonas do
serviço secreto, o efeito especial da decapitação foi encomendado aos
estudios do George Lucas... como é que é mesmo o nome... Eletronic dream
machine... (usaram até um estudo que indica a quantidade de sangue jorrado
que é suportado pelo público americano em imagens filmadas... todos sabem
como são chegados nesse tipo de pesquisa...) Enfim... nada mais do que
assistimos na midia é verdade.


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lcamargo

Então para reforçar esta idéia conspiratória, vou aqui mostrar
pontos ainda não muito claros:

- Será que Berg morreu mesmo?
- Será que ele realmente existiu?
- Seriam os familiares uma atores?
- Será que ele era mesmo americano?
- Será que os EUA existem mesmo?
- Existiria mesmo a américa do norte?
- Teria Colombo descoberto mesmo a américa?
- Será que Colombo existiu mesmo?
- Será que existe mesmo o Iraque?
- Seria tudo isto um delírio coletivo?

Estou refletindo sobre o assunto. Se alguém tiver alguma reflexão
sobre o assunto, cartas para a redação do scb.

LC.

roger wilcox

Minha amiga e companheira Fabi ouviu alguém conspiracionista dizer que um
dos executores tinha um anel de ouro e de bate-pronto nos repassa a
informação. Esqueceu apenas que o vídeo está aí, à disposição de quem
quiser vê-lo, ao contrário do anel, que ninguém viu, nem mesmo ela.

Quanto às bobagens ditas nos links que nossa amiga tão animada nos mandou,
já foram discutidas e descartadas quando da divulgação do vídeo. Mas nossa
amiga e companheira parece que só soube da notícia agora, que está mais
fria que nosso amigo Berg. E acha que nós é que somos otários.
R.


Em 29 May 2004 15:03:04 -0700, minha grande amizade Fabiola Brito escreveu:


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joão canali

Eu teria uma bela reflexão para expor-lhe Luiz, mesmo que você existisse
realmente, o problema é que se você fosse verdadeiro seria um espião da CIA
e poderia me perseguir mesmo sendo eu também inexistente. Como é que você
poderia saber??? Tens alguma prova que eu existo??? Aliás, todos nós aqui
do Pinel Conspiratório de Piramonhangaba do Sul somos inexistentes.

Assinado: (Eu não disse? Como poderia assinar algo se não
existo... he he he he...
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fabioba_brito

Vejo que a possibilidade de terem suas crenças questionadas tem um
profundo efeito na psique dos colegas. Natural.

alsuflair

|Nada como uma boa conspiração para voltar a postar na scb
|Há outras coisas estranhas no vídeo que o autor do artigo deixa de
|fora, por exemplo um dos executores usar um anel de ouro, o que
|aparentemente não é permitido pelo Islã.

Fabiola, se usar anel de ouro nao e' permitido pelo Isla, entao o
Bin Laden e' um herege pois existem varios videos dele usando um e
a ausencia desse anel apos uma certa data, foi ate' usada por alguem para
insinuar inchaco das extremidades causado por problemas de saude.

henri

Luiz,
Tentamos sempre buscar "a verdade", como se esta teria absolutamente que ser
uma unica. Minha teoria e que podem existir mais que uma verdade. Pode ter
uma, ou dois ou varias verdades. Uma verdade pode esconder outra. A rasao
que so queremos saber de uma unica verdade e que sempre queremos ver logica
na verdade, enquanto que a, ou as verdades nao passam de serem meras
percepcoes. AH!

H

lcamargo

Pois é, Canali, para vermos como é fértil este maravilhoso mundo
das teorias conspiratórias. Mas, e se ao invés da CIA, eu fosse
do FBI? E se você fosse do Mossad? E se Max fosse o governador do
Paraná? E se o Roger fosse o prefeito de Salvador, aqui disfarçado
de médico? E se a Fabíola fosse na verdade a Vera Fisher? E se,
enfim, o Boccia fosse o Lula? Neste mundo conspiracionista tudo
é possível.

LC.

luiz

Sim, Ahmed, mas isso aí já é motivo para uma outra teoria de
conspiração:

- Estaria mesmo Bin Laden usando um anel de ouro?
- E ouro realmente existe ou é invenção da Casa Branca?
- Teria mesmo Bin Laden aquele dedo para enfiar o anel?
- Existiria aquela mão onde supostamente havia o dedo?
- E o braço onde estava a mão, será que existe?
- E aquele corpo onde estava o braço, o que me diz?

LC.


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