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And 'Celtic' doeasn't have anything to do with genetics--it is also a
linguistic and cultural group as well. The phrase "genetically Celts" is
nonsense.

peter t. daniels

That's like saying New York City is a political and geographical entity
that includes California and Hawaii.

If your assertions can't be disproved, then they are neither scientific nor theories.

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Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net

j. anderson

"Harold" <johansmithy@planetaccess.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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You have proved nothing so far. Ever. Let me cite from The Oxford Dictionary
and Thesaurus: 'prove = demonstrate the truth of by evidence or argument'.

Don't use the word 'prove' (= beweisen) when you actually mean 'claim' (=
behaupten), Harold (= Johan[n]).


We all know what 'land' means - the word means the same in English, Dutch,
German and Scandinavian, but it doesn't appear in the Celtic languages. So
why would the ancient Celts have combined a Celtic (as you claim) prefix
'fin' with the Germanic word 'land'? And from where would they have got the
word 'land' in the first place? After all, like you claim, there were no
Germanic peoples around at the very early time when Finland, according to
you, got its name.

It has been claimed - nowadays chiefly by Turks - that there is some kinship
between the Turco-Tataric and the Finno-Ugric language families. Any
affinity would in that case be even more distant than between e.g. English
and Hindi. The correct name of such an expanded group is Uralo-Altaic, not
'Turk'.

The extension of this theory includes even Korean and Japanese. In the late
1980s, when things were going very well in Finland (and in Japan!), the
Finns jokingly called themselves 'the Japanese of Europe'. But still, the
idea of linguistic and cultural kinship between Japs and Finns is
imaginative to say the least. The same goes for Turks and Finns.

You have to remember that even the celebrated linguistic kinship between
Finns and Hungarians is much more distant than between e.g. Swedes and
Russians!

John

inger e. johansson

<snip>

Now you have forgotten all do***ents still at hand from 475 BC on
forward.
The Finns and the Hungarians history south of Moscow are much more
do***ented than you seem to believe.
If they were one group or several groups interacting, that can be
disputed,
the fact that their language are more closely related and that they
according to all sources up to 651 AD
spoke same language can't be disputed.

As for Harold/Johan's other claims I second your points John, but not
regarding the close kindship between Finno-Urgic and Hungarian language.
Actually the Hungarian's own older history do***entation set the time
the group(-s) were split far closer to our time than you seem to
realise.

On the other end I find all this question a bit OT in soc.culture.irish.
Thus this will be my one and only article in this thread.

Inger E


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phoglund@abo.fi

Of course it isn't, you fool - it's a Germanic name. We do not call it
"Finland" in Finnish, but Suomi, S-U-O-M-I.
It means the


No, it doesn't.

which doesnt mean Wineland as Scandinavians naturally


What Scandinavians naturally think is no business of yours and nothing
you know anything about. I am not taking this shit from a nameless
internet bastard who thinks he knows my business better than myself.
You should thank your whatever pseudo-Celtic new age deity you worship
that you haven't met me in real life, nó is é an rud a dhéanfainn leat
ná do chloigeann a fhoscal le cró-iarann agus do chuid inchinne, má tá
a leithéid agat, a thabhairt mar bhia do na héanacha, lán spúnóige i ndiaidh a chéile.


Harold, in what language does "vin" or "fin" mean "free" or "free-moving"?


And you are a humourless bore.

The word "Turk" has nothing to do with religion. It is


No, it isn't, my dear. The linguistic group is not Turk, but Turkic.
And it does not include Hungarians and Finns, who are included in the
Finno-Ugric group.

b.scott@csuohio.edu (brian m.

On 4 Jul 2003 10:17:52 -0700, johansmithy@planetaccess.com

Of course not; the Finnish name is <Suomi>. <Finland> is Germanic.


It does, and they're right.

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b.scott@csuohio.edu (brian m.

On 14 Jul 2003 13:50:08 -0700, johansmithy@planetaccess.com

Either he's as nutty as you are, or he was pulling your leg.

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philip deitiker

I once met a man from Nantucket . . . .

philip deitiker

On 24 Jul 2003 11:08:17 GMT, Torsten Poulin

Wrong, wrong, wrong, and extremely terribly wrong. All of
you guys are _Ass Wrong_!!!!!!, vin stands for "vehicle
identification number" and it obviously means there was a
Saab/Volvo building factory in the New World in which they
were producing cars and shipping the back to europe for
sale. The Vikings abandoned the new world after they
realized that their Saabs didn't sell, on account nobody has
invented gasoline yet. The viking forges are where they
forged engine blocks and chassis. Obviously there was a huge
factory somewhere, but after the vikings lefts the natives
sc****d the factory in order to build a ship in order to get
the vikings to return, unfortunately a Teutonic U-boat sank
the ship before it reached sweden and all were lost.


[I suppose, given the last prank I pulled, I should say
somewhere, ITS A JOKE!]

b.scott@csuohio.edu (brian m.

On 25 Jul 2003 11:25:46 -0700, johansmithy@planetaccess.com


Obviously one doesn't. So what?

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