markku grönroos

Why such a name then?

harlan messinger

Since the mapmakers in question weren't English, how do you suppose
they would have confused New Finland with New Found Land when that can
only happen in English? For the sake of argument, how would even an
English speaker have heard "New Finland", which clearly doesn't sound
like "New Found Land", and made such a mistake?

As ever, you (and your informants) have a truly idiosyncratic set of
opinions about what kind of names "make sense".

To call a place New Jersey was unheard of in western culture--until
such time as someone named a place New Jersey. Duh.

Unfathomable reasons. Therefore, no motivation to believe it, unless
you have an agenda it happens to assist.


--
Harlan Messinger
Remove the first dot from my e-mail address.
Veuillez ôter le premier point de mon adresse de courriel.

pdeitik@worldnet.att.net (philip

In Japan there is ShinJuku (new-town), Shinkobe, ShinOsaka.
. . . .

phoglund@abo.fi

Harold, please tell us more about those languages. I am more or less
fluent in Swedish, Icelandic (ancient and modern), and Irish (modern
and early modern, but the era of early modern Irish begins in the
twelfth century AD), and understand quite a lot of Norwegian, Danish,
Faroese and Runic Scandinavian, not to mention Scottish Gaelic, but I
have never ever heard any mention of a language such as "Celt" or
"Viking". There certainly was a "Celtic", but only its daughter
languages have been do***ented - very extensively, though. But there
never has been a language called "Viking". The language of the Vikings
was Old Norse, and its most thoroughly do***ented dialect is Old
Icelandic, a language with a sophisticated literary culture.

As you have several times doubted the existence of a Scandinavian
literary culture, please look here:

http://www.snerpa.is/net/forn/forn.htm

bogman

: In article <3f21a6b7.383962603@enews.newsguy.com>,
: Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
: > On 25 Jul 2003 11:25:46 -0700, johansmithy@planetaccess.com
: > (Harold) wrote: :
: > >The place, according to my New Finland contact, has arctic and tundra
: > >(very, very cold) weather. Since you are such a heavy academic man,
: > >maybe you can explain how to grow g****s in this climate. :
: > Obviously one doesn't. So what?
:
: I'm only guesssing, but wasn't the place much warmer in the past? Only an
: idiot would call Greenland 'Greenland' nowadays, but when the Vikings
: settled there, it really was a green land. The same might have applied
: further west.
:
: Jochen

No Viking ever settled in Greenland. Greenland was settled by Norwegian
farmers, none of whom were Vikings.
:
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: Jochen Lueg jochen.lueg@argonet.co.uk
: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/tudor
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bogman

: In article <3F2238C9.598B2FD1@mindspring.com>, Joe Jefferson
: <jjstrshp@mindspring.com> wrote: : :
: > Jochen Lueg wrote: :
: > > I'm only guesssing, but wasn't the place much warmer in the past? Only
: > > an idiot would call Greenland 'Greenland' nowadays, but when the
: > > Vikings settled there, it really was a green land. The same might have
: > > applied further west. :
: > An idiot or a promoter trying to convince people to come join his brand
: > new colony.
:
: That's exactly what he was. Was married to a fierce wife too. :
: > And besides, the name "Iceland" was already taken.
:
:
: I doubt somehow that that would have stopped the Vikings. They tended to
: take what they wanted and now further questions asked.
:
: Jochen

No Viking ever stepped foot on Greenland.
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: -----------------------------------------------
: Jochen Lueg jochen.lueg@argonet.co.uk
: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/tudor
:

allan connochie

He's nit-picking. Trying to show that he knows what the word originally
meant. I for one took the word Viking to mean simply Scandinavian which is
what the word has come to mean.

cheers

Allan

nik

How do you know whether they were "Men of the Bay i.e. Skaggerak" or
not?

I bet some of them were.

Nik

bogman

Newbury?


: Harlan Messinger wrote: :
: > Since I'm sure in your mind "new city" is just as wacky as
: > "new land", I'll point out that there are Neustadt (Germany) ,
: > Novgorod (Russia), and Villanova (Pennsylvania), all meaning
: > "New City". Not to mention New City (New York) and Newtown
: > (Pennsylvania). And Newburgh (New York). Oh, look, there's a
: > Villanueva (Mexico).
:
: And in Denmark we have Nyby, Nyborg, and (several towns named)
: Nykøbing. There is also at least one Nyköping in Sweden as
: well as at least one Nyby. Denmark also sports at least one
: Nysted - the name means New Stead, New Place. There is also
: Nystad/Uusikaupunki in Finland.
:
: The number of places bearing names of this kind seem to be
: legion.
:
: --
: Torsten


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eric stevens

On 21 Aug 2003 12:13:33 -0700, johansmithy@planetaccess.com (Harold)


I assume you are referring to the 'little ice-age'. But, before that
there was the 'Roman Warm Period' with temperatures to which we are
now returning (haven't got there yet).


Eric Stevens