juan vargas

I can't find a link, but in the last few months the local South
Texas newspapers have been covering an ongoing story. The story
involves an illegal Mexican alien and a Mexican-American hunter.

In South Texas there is a type of wild pig-like critter called
the javelina that looks like a wild hog and has 6"-long teeth
that give it its name (javelina means spear in Spanish). They
are often considered pests by ranchers because they dig up
fencep posts and cause other property damage.

Anyway, the story begins when the Mexican-American hunter received
permission from a private ranch owner to hunt javelinas on his
property. The hunter had both permission and a valid hunting
license. He's out in the brush when suddenly he hears a pack of
wild javelinas. They're all around and squealing away when
suddenly he sees something moving in the bushes. He shoots then
as he goes to retrieve the carcass he is appalled to discover it
was a Mexican alien. The alien was dressed in black, the same
color as a javelina's coat, and had been rustling in the bushes
just like a javelina without uttering a single word that would
have alerted the hunter to his presence, thus preventing the
catastrophe.

You would think authorities would rule it an unfortunate accident
but you would be wrong. Under pressure from immigrant-rights
groups they proceeded to convene a grand jury to investigate
whether the hunter should be indicted on murder or at least
manslaughter charges. If the poor hunter had been Anglo they
probably would have tossed in a civil rights or hatecrime charge
as well.

I don't think that any sane grand jury is going to indict, but
this poor man is going bankrupt paying his legal fees. I just
can't imagine how authorities could take it this far, accusing
a hunter hunting completely legally could be charged with murder
for shooting at what would appear to be a wild animal to any
reasonable person. I realize that illegal aliens have been shot
at for sport by private landowners in some places, but this is
not the case here. There was absolutely no malice on the hunter's
part in this case, and I can't even see how they could make a
charge of negligence stick. When someone goes hunting in an
isolated rural area, he does not expect black-clad humans hiding
in the bushes pretending to be wild boars.

fulminate51

I just don't understand why illegal aliens enjoy constitutional
protection while in the act of violating our borders. Though not
applicable to the above case, citizens should receive bounties for
capturing illegals. If the illegals try to evade capture deadly force
is appropriate.

Paul

graphic queen

This is just another reason the illegals have to be taken care of by
any means necessary. This is proof of the trouble they cause just by
being here. I really feel for this man and of course he should never
have seen the inside of a jail or a courthouse. But you can thank the
Mexicans for all of this.

GQ

graphic queen

On 7 Mar 2004 04:49:11 -0800, fulminate51@yahoo.com (fulminater)

Exactly right Paul They need to be taken care by any means necessary.

GQ

lets roll

Texas newspapers have been covering an ongoing story. The story
involves an illegal Mexican alien and a Mexican-American hunter.

In South Texas there is a type of wild pig-like critter called
the javelina that looks like a wild hog and has 6"-long teeth
that give it its name (javelina means spear in Spanish). They
are often considered pests by ranchers because they dig up
fencep posts and cause other property damage.

Anyway, the story begins when the Mexican-American hunter received
permission from a private ranch owner to hunt javelinas on his
property. The hunter had both permission and a valid hunting
license. He's out in the brush when suddenly he hears a pack of
wild javelinas. They're all around and squealing away when
suddenly he sees something moving in the bushes. He shoots then
as he goes to retrieve the carcass he is appalled to discover it
was a Mexican alien. The alien was dressed in black, the same
color as a javelina's coat, and had been rustling in the bushes
just like a javelina without uttering a single word that would
have alerted the hunter to his presence, thus preventing the
catastrophe.

You would think authorities would rule it an unfortunate accident
but you would be wrong. Under pressure from immigrant-rights
groups they proceeded to convene a grand jury to investigate
whether the hunter should be indicted on murder or at least
manslaughter charges. If the poor hunter had been Anglo they
probably would have tossed in a civil rights or hatecrime charge
as well.

I don't think that any sane grand jury is going to indict, but
this poor man is going bankrupt paying his legal fees. I just
can't imagine how authorities could take it this far, accusing
a hunter hunting completely legally could be charged with murder
for shooting at what would appear to be a wild animal to any
reasonable person. I realize that illegal aliens have been shot
at for sport by private landowners in some places, but this is
not the case here. There was absolutely no malice on the hunter's
part in this case, and I can't even see how they could make a
charge of negligence stick. When someone goes hunting in an
isolated rural area, he does not expect black-clad humans hiding
in the bushes pretending to be wild boars.

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This story is not that odd or unusual. You noted what the differences would be in terms of the
ethnicity of the hunter. It goes without saying that if the hunter were white he would be charged
with the hate crimes and civil rights violations, and worse, as you said. But what if the
brush-bugger was American - regardless of ethnicity? I doubt very seriously if any multi-billion
dollar financed industry would have taken up the case to scream for prosecution of the hunter - his
ethnicity not withstanding. (The NAACP wouldn't even get behind this one.)

Another thing I think this story highlights is the tie between immigration and our Second Amendment.
The odds are that immigrants are coming from a culture and society where they are forbidden to own
guns - especially the overwhelming majority of whom are coming from Mexico. Immigrant rights groups
are nothing if not steadfast in their screech for immigrants' entitlement to recreate their own
culture in America. The immigrants' rights groups cannot come right out and start denouncing gun
ownership and advocating the rights of their culture to be gun free. If the landslide of popular
opinion was not already against them, it soon would be if they got on their soap box and began
pushing for that rarely mentioned part of their cultures. But the immigrant rights groups don't
miss many opportunities to distort incidents like this involving immigrants and guns, do they?

This is just peek into what the future portends for America if massive immigration - legal or
illegal - is allowed to continue. This mass of diversity that is so thick it is not even diverse
any more, is utterly changing the character of America forever and leading it far astray from the
ideals it was founded upon.

In today's America, it doesn't matter what the man in the brush was doing, why he was there, whether
he should have been there, or whether the hunter knew anything about him at all, or anything else.
The only thing that matters is the man in the brush was an immigrant who must be allowed unimpeded
access to America, even if it means complete ruin for the innocents in their path and repeal of our
entire Constitution.

By all means, keep us informed of the Grand Jury decision. If you could get an idea of the
ethnicity and background of members of the Jury that might also be interesting and pertinent.

kulm_nd

Failure to properly identify the target before shooting can be a crime,
involuntary manslaughter is the usual charge where I live but sometimes 2nd
degree murder. Hunters have been charged for centuries in most countries
when they shoot too quickly and cause damage to property, humans or
domesticated animals.

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g-w


I can't find a link, but in the last few months the local South
Texas newspapers have been covering an ongoing story. The story
involves an illegal Mexican alien and a Mexican-American hunter.

In South Texas there is a type of wild pig-like critter called
the javelina that looks like a wild hog and has 6"-long teeth
that give it its name (javelina means spear in Spanish). They
are often considered pests by ranchers because they dig up
fencep posts and cause other property damage.

Anyway, the story begins when the Mexican-American hunter received
permission from a private ranch owner to hunt javelinas on his
property. The hunter had both permission and a valid hunting
license. He's out in the brush when suddenly he hears a pack of
wild javelinas. They're all around and squealing away when
suddenly he sees something moving in the bushes. He shoots then
as he goes to retrieve the carcass he is appalled to discover it
was a Mexican alien. The alien was dressed in black, the same
color as a javelina's coat, and had been rustling in the bushes
just like a javelina without uttering a single word that would
have alerted the hunter to his presence, thus preventing the
catastrophe.

You would think authorities would rule it an unfortunate accident
but you would be wrong. Under pressure from immigrant-rights
groups they proceeded to convene a grand jury to investigate
whether the hunter should be indicted on murder or at least
manslaughter charges. If the poor hunter had been Anglo they
probably would have tossed in a civil rights or hatecrime charge
as well.

I don't think that any sane grand jury is going to indict, but
this poor man is going bankrupt paying his legal fees. I just
can't imagine how authorities could take it this far, accusing
a hunter hunting completely legally could be charged with murder
for shooting at what would appear to be a wild animal to any
reasonable person. I realize that illegal aliens have been shot
at for sport by private landowners in some places, but this is
not the case here. There was absolutely no malice on the hunter's
part in this case, and I can't even see how they could make a
charge of negligence stick. When someone goes hunting in an
isolated rural area, he does not expect black-clad humans hiding
in the bushes pretending to be wild boars.

graphic queen

Tough shit. The illegal had no right to even be in this country. The
bad thing is that an American is being put through the system. The
good thing is that there is one more illegal dead and not causing
anymore problems.

GQ

kulm_nd

And now you show your true colors. A human killed and you could care less.

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g-w

lets roll

You have obviously never met a javalina.

You might have also missed another salient point in Vargas' description. Upon completion of
investigation by authorities at the scene, there was no intent to file criminal charges against the
hunter UNTIL multi-million dollar funded immigrant rights groups flexed their muscles. These
so-called immigrants rights groups have been quoted in the press as stating they would break the
financial backs of Americans who impede progress in our own courtrooms, regardless of how frivolous
or unlikely the case is. In this case, it definitely appears they are ambulance-chasing, with a
political agenda. The bottom feeders you usually think of as ambulance chasers don't hold a candle
to the immigrants rights version and the long reaching effects it will eventually have on the
character of America if they are allowed to continue their pursuits unchallenged.

graphic queen

An illegal criminal. No problem because there are plenty of others to
take its place. I have always said that...

The best illegal is a dead illegal. And now I have added...
By any means necessary.

GQ