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19th May 22:41
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BlankToday many but not all of the worlds population are aware that our globe is not flat; we also know the reasons of all this lightning and thunder from the sky and that nobody sits somewhere at the controls; and by now we must know that there is no such fantasy place called “Heaven” or this burning place called “Hell”; and that there is nobody on the receiving end listening to your prayers and is in a position to help you with your or other peoples problems. Praying doesn’t help; you have to act.
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19th May 22:41
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"Henni Ho" <henniho@rogers.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:P2QXb.25792$iVf1.13984@twister01.bloor.is.net .cable.rogers.com... help act. Prove it. You can't, can you? And that's my problem with atheism - it's one of the sillier religions around. Personally, I'm quite happy as an agnostic - at least I don't make lots of silly statements in public and then claim "Science made me do it!"... -- - Jürgen Hubert Doing Time in Munich Military Diaries III, or: Bavarian Barkeeper http://juergen.the-huberts.net |
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19th August 15:02
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"Jürgen Hubert" <jhubert@gmx.de> a écrit dans le message de
news:c0q7rc$19qmvq$2@ID-166792.news.uni-berlin.de... and to The burden of proof is the believers'. Er... Me neither. Hey, I saw your picture in that uniform on your site.  |
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20th August 01:27
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"Cyrano de B." <Berger@c.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:7accd9604abc56bf378940a62a56a06e@news.teranew s.com... have Not if they don't claim that it _can_ be proven. It's a matter of faith, or so I'm told. Of course, if believers of a religion _do_ claim that some of their beliefs can be scientifically proven, they open themselves up to scientific inquiry - and must live with its results. Hence my problems with the so-called "Creationism" - most of its adherents don't really understand what science is all about. But that's just one of the odd anecdotes that we Europeans love to share about Those Wacky Americans(TM). Over here in Germany, most religious leaders don't try to claim that they know science better than actual scientists - and most scientists try to return the favor by not arguing religion (which is an intensely private matter anyway...). Heh. It was a silly time, but now I'm well out of it... ;-) -- - Jürgen Hubert Doing Time in Munich Military Diaries III, or: Bavarian Barkeeper http://juergen.the-huberts.net |
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20th August 11:16
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Henni Ho a écrit:
Of course. But praying is probably good for your health. That might be the true reason why people continue to do it. And not necessarily a bad reason. |
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20th August 11:16
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"strixbubo" <bfpetit@tiscali.be> a écrit dans le message de
news:4033852E.50600@tiscali.be... It's like a placebo. It feels like it works, and that's enough! But it still a placebo, not the real medicine. |
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20th August 11:16
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"Jürgen Hubert" <jhubert@gmx.de> a écrit dans le message de
news:c0vrig$1co10q$3@ID-166792.news.uni-berlin.de... lightning nobody to Which is is tantamount to saying they claim it cannot be proven. And the underlying "proof" is this: if God exists, God's existence cannot be proven, and what do we see? That it cannot be proven indeed. Therefore God exists! Saying it cannot be proven and then believing in it is like trying to bring "proof" and saying there's no proof at the same time. It's cheating. I say: you believe in it, prove it exists. If you mean, you hope it exists, then, of course, there no logical problem there. Anyway, I'm not sure I want to go into this. I've given up on believers long ago (like my dad to begin with). To each his own... you want to believe, fine. Why the website then? Not that it is any of my business... |
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20th August 11:16
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"Cyrano de B." <Berger@c.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:8b57e8b80323e92e30405093c6c4b6a9@news.teranew s.com... proven, Sounds like an argument that one of these philosophers come up with - and I don't know much about philosophy. I'm a scientist, first and foremost. That means I learned how to prove that certain things exist, and how to disprove that certain things exist. But short of a direct divine intervention captured by sensors, it's impossible to do either with God. So if I am asked as a scientist if God exists, I can only answer: "Beats me." Still, there _are_ some matters that people take on faith - and scientists aren't immune to this, either. In fact, they often believe things that later turn out to be wrong (like the phlogiston theory about the propagation of light), though a good scientist will accept it when his favorite theory is proven wrong and move on. In your life, you have to believe in some things, or else you will be overcome with doubt and uncertaincy all the time - not a healthy state to be in. If some people believe in God and it works for them, who am I to argue with them? I only argue with them if they claim to be able to prove it... bring say: Can you prove that everything you see, hear, feel with your senses truly represents the real world? You can't - because it doesn't. We are all unable to percieve the "true reality" behind our senses - and no, I don't mean that in any "Matrix" sense of the word. So can anyone explain what the universe is _really_ like - and prove that he is correct? Nope. We can try to explain it in simple terms, but even these are "Lies-To-Children", as an author of a popular science book once said. We humans believe in all sorts of things just to get on with our lives. We would truly be incapable of doing anything if we demanded proof of everything most people take for granted. Is that also cheating? I don't think so. People saying that they believe in God doesn't bother me in the slightest. long Actually, I'm an agnostic, like I said - I don't know whether God exists or not, and I don't know of any way how I would be able to learn that on my own. But some of my best friends are devout Christians, and I don't have any problems with their faith. In fact, I think it makes them better people... Nostalgia. -- - Jürgen Hubert Doing Time in Munich Military Diaries III, or: Bavarian Barkeeper http://juergen.the-huberts.net |
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20th August 11:16
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"Cyrano de B." <Berger@c.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:a758ef51f595637d3a1ad8525ae473eb@news.teranew s.com... still Though sometimes there _is_ no real medicine. Just yesterday, I heard on my local public radio station (Bayern 2, the font of all knowledge) about a common surgical procedure (I think it had to do something with knees, though I don't remember the details). They did a study with two test groups - with one, they did the actual standard procedure, and with the other one, they just put the patient under narcosis, cut the knee open, and sewed it back together. A few months later, they asked the patients about how their knees felt - and they _all_ felt exactly the same... -- - Jürgen Hubert Doing Time in Munich Military Diaries III, or: Bavarian Barkeeper http://juergen.the-huberts.net |
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21st August 07:13
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