peter douglas zohrab

To: Rt. Hon Helen Clark
Prime Minister of New Zealand

Re: Inquiry Term of Reference No.1 and Term of Reference No.2

Dear Ms Clark,

I must be dreaming! I went to the webpage:
http://www.beehive.govt.nz/ViewDo***ent.cfm?Do***entID=18980 and read the terms of reference of the
Commission of Inquiry into allegations against Police officers about their ***ual conduct, and into
the Police investigations into their ***ual conduct. What makes me think I'm dreaming is the second
term of reference.
The second term of reference is as follows:
"They will also investigate police standards and codes relating to police personal behaviour,
including ***ual conduct."
That proposal may seem fairly harmless to the uninitiated, but many of us are aware that this
particular term of reference exists purely because you happen to dislike male police officers having
group *** with a female. Presumably, you would think it perfectly moral for two female Police
officers to have *** with each other.

My questions to you are:

1.. What part of your job description has to do with providing moral leadership for the country ?
2.. What mandate do you have to usurp this role from religious leaders, etc. ?
3.. What moral -- as opposed to political -- authority do you dream that you have in the country ?
4.. What credibility do you or the Commissioners have to lay down moral guidelines, given that:
a.. You yourself know that you are widely believed to have got married purely in order to scotch
rumours about your ***uality ?
b.. You have obviously been a strong supporter of equal rights for homo***uals and *******s in all
relevant respects;
c.. You have recently made prostitution legal in this country; and
d.. You have long been in favour of killing unborn children if that suits the lifestyle of the
mother -- and in total disregard for the rights of the father.
My point is not so much that you are wrong to have taken those actions or stances. My point is that
they are all very divisive, polarising moral issues, and many of your fellow-citizens believe that
your stance on each of these issues is highly immoral.

Not to put a fine point on it, the ******* Feminist movement, as apparently represented by your
policies, seems to have moved from a position of flying in the face of conservative, religious,
hetero***ual morality to a position of daring to impose atheistic, ******* Feminist, anti-male moral
standards on the rest of Society ! Specifically, why is it acceptable for police officers -- in your
view -- to be practising *******s and homo***uals, but not acceptable for them to practice group ***
in their private lives ? You take my breath away with your arrogant presumption !

It is noticeable how the liberalisation of the marriage laws has been limited to including de facto
couples and same-*** couples, because that suits the monocultural ******* Feminist agenda. A
multicultural approach would have included polygamous (one man + several women) and polyandrous (one
woman + several men) relationships in the liberalisation process. I can see no reason why the line
should be drawn where you have drawn it, apart from racism or Feminist Supremacism.

What legal ***ual activities go on between consenting adult police officers in their off-duty hours
is absolutely none of your business !


The first term of reference reads as follows:
"Commissioners Justice Bruce Robertson and Dame Margaret Bazley will inquire into police conduct,
standards and procedures when receiving and investigating allegations of ***ual assault and abuse
made against the police."

There are many issues to raise under this heading, but I will raise just one here:

Why is alleged **** special ? I myself, and lots of other men, have been mistreated by the Police.
Why do our experiences not merit inclusion in this Inquiry ? Is it because you are an anti-male
***ist ?
Yours sincerely,

Peter Zohrab
Acting President
New Zealand Equality Educaiton Foundation
--
Camera catches out False **** Complaint http://mens.human-rights.org/womliar.html Penis Envy,
Breast-Feeding, and Child ***ual Abuse http://mens.human-rights.org/pensenvy.html Bias in Mayes case
http://mens.human-rights.org/rvmayes.html Domestic Violence Centre
http://mens.human-rights.org/dvcorgnz.html The Next President is a Batterer
http://www.glennjsacks.com/is_there_a.htm The Opposite is Usually The Case
http://mens.human-rights.org/paradoxs.html The case R v A and B shows that Men have no Rights in New
Zealand http://mens.human-rights.org/menorits.html

simon pleasants

"Peter Douglas Zohrab"


terms of reference of the

***ual conduct, and into

I'm dreaming is the second

police personal behaviour,


are aware that this

male police officers having

for two female Police


Why? There's nothing in the ToR that talks about that.

leadership for the country ?

PMs don't have a job description.


etc. ?

See answer to (1). Also, could you provide evidence of the job descriptions
of religeous leaders that antitles them to provide moral leadership?

--- (more nonsense in a similar vein snipped big time) ---

opinionated

Just what we need to put the bigots in their place or exterminate them.

Rodents are exterminated——aren't they? :-) :-)

cecil the ram

Get over yourself - Clarkie the (ex) smug "I have a real marriage" [yeah
right] @#$#@@&**& is on the back foot now and back tracking quicker than
Michael Cullen can break another tax promise... who voted for them - own
up....

sue bilstein

I believe that most New Zealanders would consider the group *** that these
cops confessed to, to be distasteful, immoral and corrupt - even if
consensual as they claim. That's New Zealanders het or ***, atheist or
religious.

Personal ***ual corruption, and corruption of public behaviour, often go
together in my experience.

(snipped
alt.lawyers,alt.legal,alt.men.politics,alt.mens-rights,alt.politics.correct,
alt.politics.equality,soc.men)

bobs

It's none of your business what people get up to, Sue. Personally I find
*** *** more perverted than male-female group ***. And yet if I said
that in public I would be called a howling bigot. Funny that.


Is male-male *** also ***ual corruption, Sue? Should all *** cops be fired?

Seems to be yet another witch hunt to me. TVNZ, it seems, has already found them guilty.

sue bilstein

Well, I may have misjudged what males think about this subject, Bobs. Let's
have a poll - I would be interested in everybody's views on pile-ups.

Do you think it's OK to go in for group ***?

Would you join in group *** if you were invited to?

If you found out that somebody you know goes in for it, would you think
better or worse of him/her?


fired?

In my view, if a man only gets turned on by men, and he conducts his ***ual
life ethically, then no. By ethically, I mean with regard for the feelings
and well-being of his lover(s).

The thing about pile-ups (het or ***) is that it's hard to see how you can
engage in them without treating other human beings as *** toys.

IF they ****d, of course the act was vile. Even if they didn't, IMO their
behaviour was gross enough to make me wonder whether we want cops like that.

tarla

I'm not male but I have an opinion, is that okay?


If you're not committed to someone, sure.

Not at this age (50) but I did when I was younger (if threes and
foursomes count as a pileup)


Only if they're in a committed relationship. And for me, it depends
upon the cir***stances. .. ..

Depends upon how many are in the pileup.


Tarla
****
There is nothing more helpless and irresponsible than
a man in the depths of an ether binge.

--Hunter S. Thompson

sue bilstein

Three men in their late twenties onto an 18-year-old girl - would you think
better or worse of them?

bob howard

I don't make judgements because there are so many different attitudes to
***. As long as everyone consents and is old enough to know what they are
doing then it is up to them.


Me personally, no.


Neither. We often have friends or acquaintances we like for certain reasons
but don't like some aspect of their behaviour. If you want to keep their
friendship you overlook it.


Bob Howard.