lexicon10

Tks Eric,

The Celts are associated at this URL with the entry of the
Iron Age from the East of peoples such as the Medes and the
Madyars (Magyars)

//quote//

It has often been said that the Celts were the first masters of Europe.
Indeed they appear to have been a tremendously succesful race
originating somewhere around modern Hungary and spreading out to rule
much of Europe from the borders of modern Poland to the Atlantic Ocean.
It seems likely that they arrived in Britain in the 5th Century BC. The
fact that this date corresponds roughly to the first widespread use of
Iron in Britain would suggest it was the Celts who brought the secret
of Iron working to these islands.

//unquote//

The URL has in its own way, supported a theory of the Eastern origins
of the Celts.

One of the corollaries of the Europa legend as expressed by the
original post is that Asia and Europe were made water-tight
compartments so very late in history.

Prior to the Celts and Taprobane, the white cow is even present
in Judaic ritual wheras the origins of white Sind cattle with
thick hide preventing tick-borne disease are visible in seals
of the Indus Valley civilisation.

This is not what men such as Harvard's tenured Professor of Sanskrit
Weitzel would like to have disclosed. These are the elites who must
survive an awaiting eclipse by pressing the "Clash of Civilisations"
story to divide and rule Asia and Europe (and "Old" Europe - "New"
Europe neither been seen to be keen on the attacks in Iraq.)

It is no longer easy for Michael Weitzel with his Brahmin sidekick
in Madras to surpress an understanding of the contact of the
civilisations of the Indus, Tigris/Euphrates and the Nile. The
relationship gets through to us through the primacy of the Bronze
Age in the Indus Valley_*/ and through many other pointers such
as the legends of the Greeks, Celts and other peoples. The
Magyars too speak of the same homeland near the Medes.

Rgds
--Abe

_*/ www.geocities.com/worldcityessays/

benlizross

That would be Michael Witzel, I guess. Dear me, he looks like such a
nice fellow. You'd better tell us what he's suppressing and doesn't want
us to know, and exactly how he's doing this.

Ross Clark

lexicon10

One might at least take up the substance of the work without
pursuing the logical fallacy of 'glittering generality.'

We seem to have allowed this embittered personality to
roll into the gutter.

Linguistics for this personality is the pulling of snut
from one year to the next. No innovation. The street loafer
exposes the low price he himself places on his time.

Perhaps this personality may be in safer waters with
his critique at newsgroups such as alt.model.trains.

Rgds
--abe

benlizross

Wasn't that refreshing? I like a good flame in the morning. OK! Now
let's do critique:

Off to a good start -- "Serendib" involves a reflex of Sanskrit dvipa
"island". Agreed.
However, dvipa is not cognate with "divide".

Whether the "Seren-" part is from your Pali Sarana "shelter" or not,
that word is not cognate with "serene".

Nor are your three words pan (v), pane and banner cognate with each
other, and only the first is "sourced to the Greek". I think part of the
problem is your careless reading of dictionary etymologies.

The "tempo-temperature-temperate" group of words may be remotely
related to "tapestry" (at the level of PIE *ten- "stretch"), but they
aren't cognate with "tepid/teplo" (IE *tep "warm, hot") or with taper
(very obscure).

And what on earth do you mean by a "reconstruction of the ancient
Greek"?

Well that will do for a start. Looking forward to your substantive
response.

Ross Clark

doug weller

The archaeological evidence suggests otherwise. There don't appear to have
been any large numbers of continentals coming to the British Isles before
the Roman invasion, although of course there were contacts involving at
least trade and religion.

Nor does it make sense to talk about 'Celts' 'ruling'. There were lots of
Celtic speaking tribes, sure. But there was no massive 'Celtic empire' or
anything approaching one. At the most we can only say that Celtic was the
dominant language of Europe during this period.

[SNIP]

Doug

esdemio

"The archaeological evidence suggests otherwise. There don't appear
to have
been any large numbers of continentals coming to the British Isles
before
the Roman invasion, although of course there were contacts involving
at
least trade and religion."
Not sure of the truth of this paragraph. Large numbers of
continentials - before the Romans were the Germanic tribes of the
Jutes, Angles and Saxons. Yes? The Celts were in that mix? This is
before Christian era. After the Roman departure were the Northmen -
Vikings, Danes, Norwegians. All of these names are of course, in the
context of the modern borders of those countries. Not sure of your
idea of 'large' - using the context of invaders such as William of
Normandy? Even his group were not that large. The large was an
accrual of people over many years. Sally

doug weller

Definitely not. The Romans brought over a few Saxons to help, and the
Roman legions were comprised of soldiers of various nationalities, but the
Angles and the Jutes are after the Romans left.

<The Celts were in that mix? This is

The pre-Roman archaeological record doesn't show changes parallel to the
changes brought about by later groups.

Doug

allan connochie

news:<1d2qd70dk0uyp$.1s1e5zqzuytit.dlg@40tude.net> ...


You've got your history all skew-whiff somewhere along the line Sally.
Apart from whoever made up the Roman Legions, it was on the fall of Roman
Britannia when the Angles-Saxons-Jutes and whoever started arriving from the continent.


The Celts were the British already present in Britannia before the arrival
of either the Romans or much later the Anglo-Saxons.


Long after the Roman departure! On the fall of Roman Britannia the newly
arrived Anglo-Saxons etc had hundreds of years to settle in before the
Northmen [ie Vikings] came.


Allan

lexicon10

[...]

Hello Folks!

Billy the Kid has fallen for a stick of dynamite.

To grasp -dvipa must lead to a self-explosion if he
cannot work out at to matching Sanskrit for Seren-

Lead, follow or step aside.

For "substantive" to Billy the Kid I suggest that
he plays with toy trains or something similar.
Linguistics today needs more than the cacaophony
that a deprived, functional monolingual kid can
provide.

It needs a ear for sound across languages. This
resembles the case of a tone-deaf man who
cannot by definition perform in music role.

Rgds
--abe

benlizross

OK Abe, just checking. As expected, your talk about "substantive
discussion" is once again empty pretense. You simply assert your
etymological claims, defend them by appeal to a higher intuition (your
mystical 'ear'), and respond to critique with abuse which strains to
achieve a kind of cheap hauteur. It was a mistake for me to suggest you
post to sci.lang, since you know little about science and less about
language. Alt.mythology suits you better.

Ross Clark