Milo 2009-08-28 02:57:57
Prove Hundreds of women and children were slaughtered.
Prove that they were not armed at the time of their elimination.
Prove it you fascist.
Richard j 2009-08-28 02:58:19
May the sow who shat you forth upon this earth be forever cursed for
mating with a goat.
Bert hyman 2009-08-28 02:58:21
You mean al-Sadr and his horde of ratlike followers?
Well of course.
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN firstname.lastname@example.org
Conquistador 2009-08-28 02:59:08
LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE OF OF IRAQ. THEY WILL TELL YOU HOW MANY OF THEIR
WOMEN AND CHILDREN WERE MURDERED
Conquistador 2009-08-28 02:59:11
MAY TH W**** WHO S****** YOU OUT PEE IN YOUR FILTHY TRAP!
Conquistador 2009-08-29 13:03:45
SADR DID NOT MURDER WOMEN AND CHILDREN OF FALLUJA, MORON! aMERICAN
GUNSHIPS DID! MAY YOU BE PROUD OF THE SAME DEEDS FOR WHICH WE HUNG NAZIS
Conquistador 2009-08-29 13:04:24
Of course its treason
Mon Apr 12, 2004 14:03
War in Iraq was result of Jewish advisors like Feith, Wolfowitz and others
in Bush administration getting America to fight a Jewish enemy like Iraq.
Now Perle is going around telling America we need to invade Syria and Iran,
more Jewish enemies. Zionist/Khazar Jewish power is evil. Please Senator
Kerry don’t appoint any Jews when you get in.
Richard j 2009-08-29 13:04:33
May you have all the wealth in the World, and may it not be enough to
pay your medical bills.
May the syphilitic goat who is your father continue to sodomize you with
May a thousand jinns torment your body on Earth and a million torment
you in H***.
May your mother not infect the donkey she now fornicates with.
How do ya like that, pig boy?
Richard j 2009-08-29 13:04:35
We? Since when did you become a World War II veteran? For that matter,
when did you become a member of the human race you bottom feeding cretin?
Richard j 2009-08-29 13:04:38
Little of sense. Tell me, Conquistador. When did you first discover
you were the fifth generation product of line breeding?
Conquistador 2009-08-29 13:05:34
All you b***** Jews think about is proving your non existent superiority!
Conquistador 2009-08-29 13:05:36
Actually, I am! And I have seen the Nazis torn by four horses to pieces for
much lesser crimes than those comitted by US troops in Felluja!
Richard j 2009-08-29 13:05:54
ROTFLMAO!! I’m not a Jew you offspring of a diseased pig. Not even
close. You don’t have the foggiest what I wrote about above, do you?
what I said in essence is that your great, great grandfather is your
great grandfather, grandfather and father.
If that’s too difficult for you, I’ll spell it out a bit more. Your
great great grandfather bred your great grandmother from your great
great grandmother. He then produced your grandmother from your great
grandmother, his own daughter. They was born to your granny by him,
your mum, and when he shagged your mum you were produced.
Such inbreeding is used amongst horse breeders to fix a particular
characteristic in a bloodline, but they are careful not to breed more
than sire to daughter as it also creates mentally and physically unsound
horses. It does the same among humans.
You were being insulted……………. again. In this case, however, I
can see it was absolutely wasted because it probably struck close to the
Richard j 2009-08-29 13:05:56
Bullshit. Both to your being a W.W.II vet, and your seeing the supposed
punishment for Nazis.
Bert hyman 2009-08-29 13:07:20
In news:c5gqb9$19epp$2@ID-164592.news.uni-berlin.de Richard J
Him a WW-II vet? Could be… I imagine an 80 year old N***.
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN email@example.com
Conquistador 2009-08-29 13:07:39
Will U.S. pull out from Iraq?
The following are experts’ answers to the question of whether the United
States will pull out from Iraq which was asked by Nezavisimaya Gazeta.
Andrew Kuchins, the director of the Moscow Carnegie Endowment, said that the
Americans will not withdraw from Iraq before the presidential election in
November. In his recent statements, President Bush noted that he would not
call for a pullout until the security situation had significantly improved
in Iraq. In this matter, Mr. Kuchins trusts Mr. Bush as a politician. The
American administration will try to do everything, Mr. Kuchins said, to
reduce the number of American troops in Iraq in the next six months. It will
be an indicator of progress.
In the near future, it is probable that the United States will increase the
number of troops in Iraq before reducing it. The Bush administration will do
everything it can to increase the involvement of the United Nations in
operations in Iraq.
Ibrahim Tawfik, a leading research associate at the Russian Academy of
Sciences Oriental Studies Institute, said that pulling American forces out
of Iraq before the U.S. presidential elections is, for Mr. Bush, tantamount
to giving himself up as a hopeless case. It would be like acknowledging his
defeat, the scholar said. Following the November elections, this or another
administration may decide to withdraw from Iraq because considerations other
than election will matter. It is still too far from a popular uprising in
Iraq. What is going on there now is certainly a threat to the Americans, but
not a mortal threat. In case the United States finds a common language with
the Shiites, Sunnis, and Iraqis in general, the situation may improve.
Professor Timothy Gardner of the Center for Defense Studies at the Kings
College in London said that if the Americans withdraw the majority of their
forces, the unrest may spill over to Iraq’s neighbors. It will also put to
doubt future shipments of Iraqi oil while the American economy is weak and
oil prices are high.
America’s choices are dwindling because of their weak strategy. If the
allies mistreat the Shiite forces led by Muktad as-Sadr, the Shiites led by
Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani may come out against the coalition authorities’
approach to passing power to the Iraqis, which may grow into a large-scale
uprising. This is why, Professor Gardner believes the number of troops in
Iraq should be increased in order to avoid the use of military helicopters
and warplanes, which only worsen the situation.
In the opinion of Timothy Gardner, the coalition authorities should
thoroughly discuss how to pass power on June 30 with Al-Sistani and let him
use his prestige to pacify the Shiite uprising.
Conquistador 2009-08-29 13:07:42
SOMETHING FOR YOUR ZIONIST BROTHERS TO LOOK FORWARD TO!
Conquistador 2009-08-29 13:07:44
No, Jewboy First Proletarian Brigade, Sopot company!
Damson rhee 2009-08-30 23:14:41
Seems to me I’ve heard you throw at least the header for this thread around
often enough. Most recently at the people of Spain were called cowards by
YOU, for not wanting to keep a governemnt around that fell for the American
Was your momma a sow too? D
Richard j 2009-08-30 23:14:53
LOL! I’m Catholic, not Jewish you pencil pricked neo N***.
T the wire 2009-08-30 23:14:58
Isn’t it amazing how they automatically asume you you jewish. I wish I had
a dime for everytime I had to post the reply that I am not jewish. I guess
because Racael Corrie supported the terrorists, she must be one too…oh
Richard j 2009-08-30 23:15:00
Now Damson, do you really want to get involved in a flame fest? Why
don’t you simply f*** off and let the rag head and I go at it.
Milo 2009-08-30 23:15:49
Muslims are so deluded.
They think only Jews dislike them.
They think everything is a Jewish conspiracy.
Damson rhee 2009-08-30 23:16:20
What and miss the chance to remind you that days after the Spanish elections
results, you were calling them cowards? You did, didn’t you? LOL D
Richard j 2009-08-30 23:16:49
Yes I did, and I still consider them cowards. The Spanish public sold
out their nation because of the acts of a half dozen or so terrorists.
Worse than that, they enabled anyone who wants something from Spain to
use terrorism. Groups like the Basque, who were on the verge of giving
in now are empowered, for they see that with relatively little effort
they can make the Spanish public stick their tail between their legs and
run for cover screaming like b******. I hope the Spanish voting public
gets EXACTLY what they asked for.
Perhaps one of these days people will learn that you do not stop
terrorists by giving in to them. In Spain, I doubt it. They are too
frightened to learn. Macho indeed!
Now back to the flame fest.
Rifty 2009-08-30 23:17:22
Nor do you stop terrorists by ignoring the legitimate grievances of
those people who feel, rightly or wrongly, that the terrorists are the
only ones who have any genuine interest in their plight. Terrorism is
the result of these circumstances.
Terrorism can be stopped ONLY when legitimate grievances of constantly
abused, humiliated and disenfranchised people are addressed – because
they are the fertile soil in which organised terrorism takes root.
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Susan cohen 2009-08-30 23:17:47
Only when you are dealing with a Western mindset.
Thanks for playing.
and disenfranchised people are addressed – because
Susan cohen 2009-08-30 23:17:50
Sadly, I couldn’t agree more.
I am softer-hearted than you – I hope not.
In Spain, I doubt it. They are too
Irgun43 2009-08-30 23:17:52
When you catch an Arab and gie him what he give s out – cut his b****
off and burn the body
then terrorism stops
Richard j 2009-08-30 23:17:57
OK genius. All you have to do now is explain exactly how everyone is to
be equal and none downtrodden. Go ahead, this should be good.
Rifty 2009-09-01 08:50:09
Doesn’t seem to have worked so far!
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Rifty 2009-09-01 08:50:11
It doesn’t require the brain of a genius to understand this principle,
but I see you are having trouble. I also see you are using the tactic of
putting your words into my mouth. Where did I say that everyone is to be
equal? That’s a nice Utopian dream. Human beings have never been equal
and never will be. It is *why* they are unequal that needs
understanding, not that they are.
What I am saying is that there should be some recognition of why
terrorism begins. Terrorism existed and exists independently of
religious belief. It is Muslim terrorists who are focused on almost
solely now, but in an organised form it arises out of desperation. I
hate terrorism and under no circumstances – none at all – do I condone
it – but I do understand where it springs from. When I see the sorts of
statements you make, I can see that you have no understanding of this –
merely the use of force to try to put a lid on it. Terrorism cannot be
tackled in this way. It has ceased in the past only when the root causes
of it have been firstly acknowledged, and secondly, addressed, and the
root causes lie in dispossession, poverty and stealing of resources
under the guise of entrepreneurship.
That’s probably more than you can cope with at one session, but if you
think you can stop organised terrorism with brute force, then you
understand neither terrorism nor history.
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Rifty 2009-09-01 08:50:15
Hmmm – thanks for that. What exactly have I exposed? These are simply
objective, independently verifiable facts. You seem to believe that to
state such facts is to place oneself in some political or religious
I belong to none. So you will need to be a little more specific.
For the record, I am totally opposed to terrorism and I am opposed to
the US occupation of Iraq, because it means the deaths of thousands of
innocent victims along with hundreds of US soldiers and those who now
have taken up arms against them. For those of us who lived through
Vietnam and accurately predicted what happened at that time and who made
equally accurate predictions in this newsgroup over a year ago that what
is now happening would inevitably happen, I find it monstrous that this
US administration has managed to do it all over again.
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Renegide 2009-09-01 08:50:18
You may ignore Suzy Cohen. She’s Irish but she thinks she’s jewish.
Irgun43 2009-09-01 08:51:40
It hasn’t been done so far
Richard j 2009-09-01 08:51:43
And if you believe Islamic terrorism can be stopped by placation, you
are dead wrong. At it’s roots, Islam and secularism are diametrically
opposed. Ask any Muslim what the eventual outcome of Islam is, and he
will tell you that one day the World will be a singular nation of Islam.
That doesn’t surprise anyone, and in truth is much the same message as
Christians give. The big difference is that al Qur’an teaches Muslims
not to allow non believers to live in their land. If they do not leave
or accept islam, they are to be destroyed. That’s a rather poor
situation for everyone except Muslims when the World is all Muslim, eh?
Secularism and Islam don’t work well either. To a devout Muslim, there
is no separation of church and state, the Faith is the law, and since
laws are the state, the Faith is also the state.
Islam sounds good. The jihad or struggle is really the “internal
struggle” between man in faith. “There is no compulsion in Faith” is
another Muslim ‘truism’. Islam means peace.
All sound very well and good except there is a clear pattern to Islamic
expansion which exist since the Prophet’s time. First Muslims immigrate
to a nation where they are a minority. As time passes their higher
birth rate and converts to Islam means they become a majority. At that
point, they start clamoring for a separate Muslim state, or for the
current government to change to accept Islamic adaptation to the laws.
(Is this beginning to sound familiar at this point?)
Once a clearly controlling Muslim majority is established, the nation
becomes Islamic, eventually losing much of its native identity.
(including even the native language in many instances for Arabic)
In extreme cases, religious tolerance is narrow, with even Christians
and Jews (because they are ‘People of the Book’) tolerated but barely,
and then only if they conform to Islamic law. Don’t believe me, visit
Pray tell me, then, the answer to my question. How are you going to
stop the real cause of Islamic terrorism, Islam itself? There will
always be winners and losers in every society, every faith. There is no
real equality in life. Given that and the goal of Islam, how do you
really propose to do what you say?
Nospam 2009-09-01 08:51:59
It would take extreme measures, which is why the US was doomed before they
even lifted off from runways in the US. They went in with guns blazing and
absolutely NO plan to address issues after Hussein was removed from power.
The deep seeded hatred for the US would take at least 50 years to overcome,
through seperating children from their parents and re-educating them and
brainwashing them to think that America is great…yadda yadda yadda..
Bush is screwed, there is NO way for him to leave Iraq…he has sentenced
hundreds of young Americans to death for NO reason !
Damson rhee 2009-09-01 08:52:42
Bull. They exercised their democratic right to get rid of a party who
bought into the LIES George Bush fed them. Now is this isn’t irony, I don’t
tknow what is. Some bozo from the country that considers itself democracy
personified, calling a country of voters cowards for voting out a man wnd
party who lied to them. Actually, maybe that does make sense George Bush considered.
You do know, they are not pulling out until the handover June 30th date
right? And they won’t even then IF American control is handed over to the
UN. Nothing in that campares to the problems with the Basques. No handover
dates, no UN and no Liars like Bush. Yet you still call it cowardice.
See,ms more like having the b**** to do something to me. D
Damson rhee 2009-09-01 08:52:57
And ONE MORE TIME! The people of Spain exercised their democratic right to
get rid of the man and the party that bought into George Bus’s LIES. As in
their right. And BTW, they did so, knowing what your country has done with
countries who were not part of the coalitionin the first place. Seems prety
balllsy to me. It’s just the first country to have a vote since the Iraq war. Spanish public sold
In the first place, do you even have a clue wht the Basque separatists clam
and want? They’re more like the IRA than these murdering bastards guilty of
this crime on March 11th. It isn’t even in the same league and Spain never
has given in to them. They never had a chance to give in over March 11th
either. They did however, have the chance to get rid of the party getting
them into the mess that led to it happening and they did. So choke on it.
Second and this is getting rather repetitive, what the party they voted in
has sai us that they are pulling out on the day the handover is supposed to
happen. And, they won’t even do that IF the US gives the control of things
over to the UN, rather than the likes of Bremer and had a strong UN
e will learn that you do not stop
And y’know what? The Spanish don’t exactly have a history of doing so.
Now, if you want to grasp that, knock youself out. The people of Spain just
got rid over the man and the party stupid enough to beliee George Bush’s
twaddle. They’re just the first country of the coalition of actually have a
vote, so I’m guessing you may have to be prepared for a few more “cowardly
voters”, essentially telling the leader who believed George Bush to p***
off. Even the poodles in a precsarious spot. Must annoy the h*** out of
you huh, Mr. Macho talking from a keyboard?
Richard j 2009-09-03 00:54:01
Doesn’t annoy me at all. All it does is show who our real allies are
and who are fair weather friends. That’s a handy thing to know if you
are ever in a real jam.
As far as the macho part, if you are in Canada, I’ll be about 60 miles
from Sault St. Marie in a month. Let me know if you wish to find out
how macho I am Damson. We can select a place in the UP to meet personally. Teflon
Rifty 2009-09-10 07:42:23
I don’t believe any terrorism is stopped by placation. It stops when it
its underlying causes are understood and acted upon. It is NOT stopped
by murdering the civilians amongst whom terrorists hide.
That’s a Muslim ideal. As a non-Muslim I would hate that, but this does
not mean every Muslim is out to achieve it by violence and terror. And
the majority of Muslims recognise this, in my experience.
True. Just about every religion I am aware of shares that hope, however
unattainable it is (I’m pleased to say!)
That’s nonsense. I live regularly in Muslims lands and no-one prevents
me from going there as long as I do what foreigners have to do in my
country – obey its laws.
Sorry, but that’s arrant nonsense. Have you ever been to a Muslim
country? Yes or no will do.
I would be very uncomfortable with that as a non-Muslim, but it isn’t
going to happen. It had some slight chance of happening within a hundred
years of Muhammad’s birth, but none at all now.
That latter statement is true, but true secularism is an ideal that
works nowhere in practice. I’ll grant you that it works better in
western societies that made the separation of church and state hundreds
of years ago, but it’s far from perfect. (Why is Easter a holiday? Or
Christmas?) Islam as had many encounters with secularism if you know its
history (e.g., Turkey), and there are states where Islam may be the
dominant religion of the people of that state but it is not the
established religion. But this has nothing per se to do with terrorism.
Yes. The Christians did the same thing. And I remember the Protestants
fiercely claiming that the aims of the Catholics was to out-populate
them via papal encyclical. Anyone scared of that now?
Yes, rather like the US and Australia with European occupation.
You have visited Saudi Arabia then?
You are right when you say there are some Muslim governments which do
not obey Qur’anic injunction about the protection of minorities, and
attack others for attempting to proselytise on their patch. There are
also some Muslims who want it both ways – they want freedom to practise
their religion in other countries while denying it at home. That’s to be
condemned. Of course that happens. In an avowedly secular state any
attempt to enforce any religious laws is to be resisted.
There is no magic answer to that, as we both know. But there are two
parts to this discussion. One is to identify what clearly does NOT work
in the way terrorism is to be tackled, and doing that is not negated by
not being able to offer a foolproof a recipe for success. I can often
identify what’s wrong with a computer and what the person trying to
solve it should NOT be doing, even though I may not be sure of the
solution myself, and that is first and foremost what I am doing here.
The other part of this debate is how to work towards a solution. That
cannot be done unless there is a lot more clear understanding of the
nature of the clash between Islam and western Christendom, the real
nature of Islam – which as I have stated is only partially correctly
analysed by you above (with fatal errors if we are trying to work
towards a solution). Many Muslims have the wrong idea about non-Muslims,
just as the reverse it true. But what Bush is doing in his doomed
campaign purportedly to stop terrorism by attacking Iraq is merely
adding fuel to the fire. Ignorance and misinformation add more fuel. I
do not want to descend into name calling with you or anyone else as that
becomes pointless, but as long as you are so cocksure you are right when
an informed judgment is directly counter to some of your statements
above, we will get nowhere.
That’s enough for now.
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Rifty 2009-09-10 07:42:26
It shows who has brains rather than brawn. And the brawn will never work
when it has no understanding of the national aspirations of others. Remember Vietnam.
It’s handy to know who wants to use force rather than bothering to try
to comprehend the true nature of the situation.
Hey, great scenario! Teflon meets with Damson and (perhaps!!) belts h***
out of him. That will have proved once and for all that Tefton’s
analysis of Iraqi politics and society is far superior to that of
People like you are actually the problem, I’m afraid, Teflon. You think
force is the answer to international difficulties – many of which, I
might add, were substantially *created* by the western world over the
last half century or more. Now you want to come 12000 miles to belt h***
out of me too? This is how some Americans (not all, thank god!) make
friends of the rest of the world. You beat the c*** out of them, men,
women and children, by imposing your trade terms on their economy and
military bases on their property, and you wonder why they take a crack
at you in any way they can. The naivety of this approach is staggering.
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Richard j 2009-09-10 07:42:34
Yes, more than one, from the very conservative Saudi Arabia to the quite liberal UAE.
I disagree. It has everything to do with terrorism in Islam depending
upon which cleric’s interpretation of al Qur’an you wish to follow.
What happened to the old religions of Europe, South and North America?
Do the Olmecs, Toltecs, Azteca, and Maya still practice their faiths?
How many Norsemen still pray to Odin or Scots practice Druidism?
I’d say Christianity wasn’t completely without success in its spread.
Well, there you go. I’m just a member of a tribe that is resisting the
proposed takeover of another. Someone pass me extra arrows! Oh, sorry,
we use thermonuclear now, don’t we.
Neither will you get anywhere without discussion because someone does
have strong opinions.
A’salaam Allekum, and good-bye.
Richard j 2009-09-10 07:42:40
Quite well, in fact. We were aware the Communist wanted one Vietnam
ruled by the Communist Party. We didn’t want that in the belief that
the ‘domino effect’ would take over in S.E.Asia. It wasn’t a lack of
understanding national aspirations which put us there. Poor example.
D*** me! Do you happen to live in France?
No, he called my person into question. I’m only willing to give him the
opportunity to see if I’m what he thinks I am. Of course, I’m also
giving him the opportunity to show he has some b**** too.
No. I never offered to ‘belt the h***’ out of Damson either. THOSE
were your words. I only offered to meet him face to face and let him
see if I was macho enough or not. You made an assumption I would
assault him based on YOUR OWN PREJUDICES.
In truth, I would react as the situation demanded. If he wished to join
me in a beer, I’d buy the first round. If he wanted to fight, I could
oblige him at that as well. What occurred would be his choice, just as
it would be yours should we ever meet. I don’t want to make victims,
but I also refuse to be someone else’s victim.
This is how some Americans (not all, thank god!) make
As I said, you judge people based on your personal prejudice, and it
appears you’ve judge me based on your prejudice against the US. I am
who and what I am. If I am attacked I defend myself. If met with
friendship and openness, I reciprocate. I don’t play word games or want
to control people. They can take me for what I am at face value or walk
If you don’t like those terms, best you don’t meet many Texans.
Rifty 2009-09-10 07:42:43
That’s ambiguous, but I take it to mean that you think I am rejecting
discussion based on strong opinion. That’s not true. Any opinion is fine
as long as it is backed up by evidence and/or rationality and not simply
by assertion or prejudice.
I take that to mean this particular discussion is at an end. No problem.
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Rifty 2009-09-13 02:14:48
And “we” wanted one Vietnam ruled by anything other than a communist
government. And “we” were prepared to do almost anything to get it. And
look what the result was. “We” created a shambles “we” seem bent on
repeating in 2004 in completely different circumstances.
Who’s “we”? In 1968 most of “us” were telling our governments that the
“domino effect” was a false and simplistic analogy and that believing in
it would lead to disaster. They took no notice, and it did.
It certainly *was*!!! The example holds up remarkably well, although I
see various US newspapers today are trying to put some distance between
the two experiences.
It is exactly the same horrific experience for the family of a dead US
marine – 1974 or 2004. In each case it was precipitated by the arrogance
of a US administration which wanted to impose its will on the people of
a faraway land.
Nope! But it’s a beautiful place….
Ahhhh…. you can’t help yourself, can you? 🙂
Hmmm. It looked like a pretty serious offer to me. If you had only the
intention of a beer and a quiet debate then I heartily apologise.
No, I made an assumption you might come to blows based on the words you
used and the context you created for them.
I suspect the sight of two men well over middle age rolling around
trying to do violence to various portions of each other’s anatomy would
be somewhat entertaining as a public spectacle, but as usual would not
really accomplish a great deal. The beer idea is fine though…. 🙂
I don’t want to make victims,
Oh, I doubt if you need anyone else for that! 😉
You may call it prejudice against the US. I call it a deep suspicion of
various US governments and their operatives abroad, who have done so
much damage to the lives of people in Central and South America and
South and Southeast Asia, and this is based on personal experience and a
lot of solid evidence (much of it in official US archives) that is
available to anyone who is willing to do the research with an open mind.
I have nothing against Americans per se. As in every society, the whole
spectrum of human qualities is revealed in the American people. I have
been very fortunate to know lots of Americans, both in the US and
abroad, who could not be better friends or more aimiable companions.
I’ll resist the temptation to make any prejudiced statements about any
minority US group!
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