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These posts (for the most part) date from 1999. I supplied new working GOOGLE
links to replace dead DEJA-COM links but be forewarned that not all internal
links may still function today because web pages come and go.
-- Tavish May 16, 2003

http://www.lf2.cuni.cz/listserv/ahoj-l/199905/msg00141.html
Non-Jew Can't Pour Wine for a Jew -- Only a Fellow Jew Can!

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To: ahoj-l@lfmotol.cuni.cz
Subject: Non-Jew Can't Pour Wine for a Jew -- Only a Fellow Jew Can!
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Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 14:17:01 +0200 (CEST)
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From: doc_tavish@bigfoot.com (Doc Tavish)
Subject: Non-Jew Can't Pour Wine for a Jew -- Only a Fellow Jew Can!
Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:31:11 GMT
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Highlights to look for:

" We are not allowed to drink any wine or g**** juice, or any drink
containing wine or g**** juice, which has been touched by a non Jew
after the seal of the bottle has been opened.."

" Boiled wine is really for use when a non-Jew would be in the
position of pouring a cup for a Jew. At the seder, that shouldn't be
an issue, as your cup should be poured by a fellow Jew at the table."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=&selm=6uvn0n%24341%241%40nnrp1.dejanews.com
From: David S. Maddison <maddison@power.connexus.net.au>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kosher Wine Questions
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:54:15 GMT
Message-ID: <6uvn0n$341$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=01bdeceb%240d4901c0%24312dd2cc@jbc.san.rr.com&lr=&hl=en


[..]

As I understand it, the requirements for wine that is not rendered
treif by handling by non-Jews relate to the suitability of that wine
for use in idol worship (avodah zarah). If the wine is not suitable
for idol worship and it is kosher in the first place, then it is not
rendered treif by being handled by non-Jews. The reason for this is
simply that in ancient times, idol worship was extremely common among
non-Jews and therefore there is a good chance that the wine could
have been dedicated to idols before being given to Jews.

Wine which was either boiled (mevushal) or had herbs added to it
(mevushin) was not considered suitable for idol worship, therefore
such wine could be drunk by Jews, if originally kosher.

AFAIK, kosher mevushin wine is quite rare, most kosher wine is
mevushal.

As usual, CYLOR if you have any halachic questions.

David Maddison

~~~~~END~~~~~

Notice the discrimination and bigotry in this: " Boiled wine is really
for use when a non-Jew would be in the position of pouring a cup for
a Jew. At the seder, that shouldn't be an issue, as your cup should
be poured by a fellow Jew at the table."? Tavish

Boiled wine isn't even considered fit for a Jew to drink according to
an article the B'nai B'rith has published! Look for: "...cooked wine
is far less palatable and no one would want to use it. "


http://bnaibrith.org/ijm/articles/wine/index.html

Vineyard Vanguard:

The new taste of a well-aged tradition

By Joseph Berkofsky

[ ... ] (Excerpt used for "educational" purposes]

Like all other kosher food or drink, kosher wine cannot contain any
unkosher animal or fish products; to be kosher for Passover, it must
also not come in contact with any leavened grains.

But the law regarding wine extracts another, more pressing, demand: It
cannot be handled by non-Jews.

The roots of this law reach back to the ancient Land of Israel where,
to prevent Jews from drinking wines used in idol worship, Jewish law
forbade Jews to touch wine that had been moved in an open vessel by
non-Jews, since it was likely used as a wave offering. The rabbis
later went further in battling assimilation, declaring any wine
handled by a non-Jew unfit to drink.

Today, in order to ensure that a wine meets all the kashrut
requirements, the entire winemaking process from g****-crushing to
bottling is overseen by trained, Sabbath-observant Jews, or
mashgichim, who handle all flow of the wine. And, as Ben Welton, a
mashgiach for St. Supery and others, can attest, this kind of kosher
supervision can mean as much toil as Torah.

With help from nearby non-Jewish winery workers, mashgichim operate
cranes to unload the g****s from trucks after the fall harvest. They
run the crushers which break the g****s, and pipe the crushed g****s
and juice into steel tanks. And they oversee the rest of the process
from fermentation, when yeast converts the g****'s sugar into alcohol,
to filtering the wine and moving it into oak barrels to be aged.

At times, says Welton, this is dizzying work - literally. Not too long
ago, he recalls, he had to dig heavy heaps of stems from a huge
fermentation tank at St. Supery - while wearing a lifeline to show
that he was not inhaling too much alcohol vapor.

Peak season for mashgichim like Welton is between August and January,
when most of the winemaking occurs. And, although a mashgiach need not
be on premises other than when the wine is being moved through the
process, mashgichim will occassionally return to inspect the wine as
it ages to ensure that it has not been touched by non-Jews.

But those wineries that wish to involve non-Jews in the process can
tap into a Talmudic ruling that makes this possible.

Rabbinic authorities decreed that wine, even if touched by non-Jews,
was fit for Jewish use so long as it was mevushal, or cooked. The idea
was, in part, that cooked wine is far less palatable and no one would
want to use it.

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http://www.kashrus.org/kosher/supervis.html

[ ... ]

.... Wine, more than any other food or drink, represents the holiness
and separateness of the Jewish people.

It is used for the sanctification of Shabbat and Yom Tovand at Jewish
simchot. In the Beit Hamikdash wine was poured upon the Altar together
with the sacrifice. However, since wine was and still is used in many
forms of idolatrous worship, it has a unique status in Jewish Law,
which places extra restrictions on the making and handling of wine.
This includes wine used for non ceremonial purposes.

The production and handling of kosher wine must be done exclusively by
Jews. Wine, g**** juice, and all products containing wine or g****
juice must remain solely in Jewish hands during the manufacturing
process and also after the seal of the bottle has been opened.

We are not allowed to drink any wine or g**** juice, or any drink
containing wine or g**** juice, which has been touched by a non Jew
after the seal of the bottle has been opened.

[ ... ]

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Also see more bigoted (against Non-Jews) teachings of Jews (in their own vile
words!!):

[In some of these archives you all will see some of my opposition failing at
defending the bigotry of Jews! Be on the watch!! Very entertaining!!]

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=34da0721.334493340%40news.phoenix.net&rnum=2
Subject: Even More on Wine - 'Separation' of Non-Jew From Jews in Making of
Wine! (Their Own Words!) .. Date: 1998/02/05
Message-ID: <34da0721.334493340@news.phoenix.net>

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=34cd15bb.167969898%40news.tavish.net&rnum=1
Subject: In Their Own Words Jews Imply That Gentiles are Unclean or Defiled.
Read And Decide For Yourselves. Date: 1998/01/26
Message-ID: <34cd15bb.167969898@news.tavish.net>

These posts should really evoke some serious thought and expose double standards
of what is bigotry and what isn't! Notice some of the subject titles and
remember these are vintage archives so not all internal links may be active
today. The material is still relevant and similar web pages can be found using
an Advanced GOOGLE Web Search and using appropriate KEY words and this link:
http://www.google.com/advanced_search

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=34e261e8.103523274%40news.phoenix.net&rnum=2
Subject: Try Interchanging Jew and Non-Jew with White and Non-White - What Do
You Get? Bigotry! Date: 1998/02/12
Message-ID: <34e261e8.103523274@news.phoenix.net>

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=39a74295.103888183%40news.newsguy.com&rnum=11
Subject: Weekly Halacha - Another Example of "Jewish Supremacist Separatism" (In
Their Own Words Series)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 04:18:01 GMT
Message-ID: <39a74295.103888183@news.newsguy.com>

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=2b6aftkkd8sob5ugaskk1o5imkjriope75%404ax.com&rnum=13
Subject: Bigotry by Jews Toward Non-Jews (Wine Bigotry) New Findings [In Their
Own Words Series] R CF
Message-ID: <2b6aftkkd8sob5ugaskk1o5imkjriope75@4ax.com>
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 09:34:44 GMT

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=34e36c94.171802069%40news.smart1.net&rnum=22
Subject: #3 Kosher Wine -Trying as a nitwit to defend the indefensible is what
Ali is doing! Date: 1998/02/12
Message-ID: <34e36c94.171802069@news.smart1.net>

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=34e0d74e.2490464%40news.phoenix.net&rnum=27
Subject: Jewish Racism & Bigotry is Rampant Among Their Websites. Only a Fool
Will Deny This in Light of all of the Evidence (was Re: Poor ol' gutless Scottie
flaunts his confusion) Date: 1998/02/10
Message-ID: <34e0d74e.2490464@news.phoenix.net>

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=34dfa056.342095648%40news.phoenix.net&rnum=34
Subject: Kosher Wine - Still Even More Incomprehension From Jews Who Deny Their
Bigotry Toward The Rest of Mankind! Isn't The Obvious Hypocrisy Amazing? Date: 1998/02/10
Message-ID: <34dfa056.342095648@news.phoenix.net>
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the non-Jews eat non-kosher foods and are physically affected by their
diet. This has important ramifications.

The CHASAM SOFER (Teshuvos YD 175) concludes that we cannot assume
that a medical treatment that was tested successfully on a non-Jew
will also be successful on a Jew. Therefore, if a Jewish woman always
saw blood as a result of Tashmish, we cannot determine that a
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How many of you (Non-Jews) are still holding out that Jews still view
non-Jews as human beings. The material above almost looks like animal
experimentation to me!

How many of you totally clueless Jews still have yet to figure why the
majority of mankind has so thoroughly disliked you for thousands of
years?

Doc Tavish

BTW I have one more and this one is even funnier than the one above!
I give my word and have provided the link so you may verify that I
have not altered this post in any way except for my bracketed
comment. Here goes:

http://www.shamash.org/listarchives/mail-jewish/volume1/e-a/m.j902

"..... sterilize male animals. In any case there is no prohibition in
buying a vasectomized mouse owned by a non-Jew.

The problem of vasectomizing unclean animals comes up more
commonly when one wants to spay their cat or dog. A Jewish
veterinarian cannot sterilize a male animal and one cannot ask a
non-Jew to sterilize their dog or cat. One can buy a previously
sterilized male animal. In fact a question they asked Ben Zoma is if
one can damage the male generative organs of a dog and he replied that
even that is forbidden (Chaggigah 14b).

Another case of damaging the reproductive organs of male animals
is the sterilization of insects like fruit flies by radiation. These
sterile males are released into the infested area and mate with
females, competing with the normal male fruit flies. A case like this
is discussed in the halachic literature. It is prohibited to hold
someone in the snow until he becomes sterile, although one is not
whipped as a punishment for doing so.

[I love the way this guy compares human beings to fruit flies! It's a
riot and he is a "university scholar" too! Doc Tavish]

In this case the generative organs are not directly injured, but it
is nevertheless prohibited. In addition the taking of a sterilizing
drug is prohibited even though the sterilization is not done directly
by cutting or damaging any organs or even if the sterilization is not
the desired effect but a cure of a disease is.

The halachic discussions of this prohibition are found in the
Shulchan Aruch Even HaEzer 5:11-14 and in mitzvah 291 of Sefer Ha Chinuch.
Daniel Schindler <LIDANIEL%WEIZMANN.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
<END>

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=34e36f9f.172581109%40news.flash.net&rnum=35
Subject: Five Plain & Simple Questions - When Will They be Answered? (was Re:
Scott wonders what a real life would be like....) Date: 1998/02/12
Message-ID: <34e36f9f.172581109@news.flash.net>

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Newer archives:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=vd01cvsh9ta3ep7b3crfru9ce2rb0snnls%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Children of the Devil and Anti-Christ[s] Positively Identified Using
Scripture-- Check The Proofs For Yourselves! V2.0
Message-ID: <vd01cvsh9ta3ep7b3crfru9ce2rb0snnls@4ax.com>
Date: 13 May 2003 05:29:00 GMT
Jewish Led Bolsheviks Scalped & Crucified Christians by Philippa Fletcher
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=34c17d0f.1410012285%40news.smart1.net&rnum=7
Subject: Bolsheviks Scalped and Crucified Christians - Date: 1998/01/18
Message-ID: <34c17d0f.1410012285@news.smart1.net>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=cqrhav0th39prr3bf5am4dnkcn89j52p8b%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) R_0425
Date: 25 Apr 2003 08:14:41 GMT
Message-ID: <cqrhav0th39prr3bf5am4dnkcn89j52p8b@4ax.com>

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=thu1cv85n9rt762obr3mtjga4thcsfdidq%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Hatred of Jews at highest level since WWII and Some Apparent Reasons Why!
Message-ID: <thu1cv85n9rt762obr3mtjga4thcsfdidq@4ax.com>

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=&selm=prbo5vkp1825141dem99scia1676el7nqd%404ax.com
Subject: Anti-American Communist Agitator and Tax Exempt Religious Org (B'nai
Brith) Which Gave Him Financial and Moral Support
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:07:42 -0600
Message-ID: <prbo5vkp1825141dem99scia1676el7nqd@4ax.com>

Proof B'nai Brith claims to be the "World's Largest Jewish Organization" (and
remember-- they support communists who are definitely anti-Christian,
anti-Capitalist, and anti-American-- as proven in the above archive!

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&num=10&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=World%27s+Largest+Jewish+Organization&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=images
Searched the web for "World's Largest Jewish Organization". Results 1 - 10 of
about 58

Examples of returns:

http://www.jewishomaha.org/monsky.htm
333 S. 132nd St., 334-6443
Gary Javitch, President
Lois Epstein, Administrative staff
Founded in 1843, B'nai B'rith is the world's largest Jewish organization with a
membership of one-half million men and women in 57 countries. The organization
defends human rights and fights discrimination throughout the world. It sponsors
interfaith dialogues, promotes democracy and world peace. B'nai B'rith is
committed to Jewish unity.

http://www.jewishhartford.org/agency_detail.epl?agency_id=58
(Archived locally as: agency_detail)
Jewish Community Resources
.... B'nai B'rith - the world's largest Jewish organization.... ---

"Because there was very little to criticize."
Susan Cohen - January 24, 2001 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=4&selm=3A6F230F.3AFF4272%40his.com
Message-ID: <3A6F230F.3AFF4272@his.com>

ASCII ART: To view the graphic you should set your news browser to view 80
columns and this is a must- set your fonts to a fixed width font such as courier
to see the image in full fidelity. If you use a proportional font or Windows
True Type proportional font the image will be grossly distorted.

You need to use a font which is 8 point. Any larger of a font may cause the
image to severely distort.

I "rendered" the image in 8 point size. You may use Windows True Type fonts if
they are fixed width such as Courier New (Western) but be warned most Windows
True Type fonts are proportional width. YOU MAY ALSO SELECT ALL TEXT AND CLICK
TO MAKE IT "BOLD" AS THIS SOMETIMES HELPS THE DEFINITION OF HARDCOPY.

Image "rendered" by Doc Tavish and given to public domain. More to come!

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