joe

Chances are, a lot more than you.


My point exactly. You just don't get it, and probably never will.

Joe
Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
Calypso Green '93 Mustang 5.0 LX hatch with a few goodies

bill hall

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it


is

I have also owned a '78 honda civic that wasn't worth a damn in the snow.
Too light, I would have to say.
Bill

stephen harding

Don't know that they really are.

Given that it seems a large percent of current car models, and
models of the past 20 years, seem to be FWD, I would expect
a high probability of FWD cars in the ditch after a snow storm.

I'd expect a high probability of FWD cars running red lights
too, but I'd be very surprised if that were due to FWD.

There seems to be a switch to RWD under way right now. Don't
know if it's just moving to something "different", or if dry
road acceleration performance is now a dominant marketing
factor.


SMH

stephen harding

No just the physics of mass x g.

By throwing those cinder blocks into the trunk, you're doing
exactly what the FWD has already done: putting weight over the
drive wheels. You're in effect "doing a VW" by putting weight
over the rear drive wheels.

Didn't say this was a complicated thing to do, just something
you *need* to do to match what FWD has already done for you.

But the traction is lost in RWD before it would be lost in FWD.
Weight over drive wheels, that's as simple as it can get.

You will lose control of any car at some speed. Usually, if you're
paying attention, the car will "tell you" when it is approaching
that threshold of control loss. Some people pay attention, some
don't.

The fact that steering control can be lost when front wheel
traction goes away is true for 4x4's as well. Doesn't mean
RWD is better than 4WD getting through snow (or any sort of slick/slippery roadway).

I don't think it is. I've driven both and I think FWD is better
on slick roadways. Of course the quality of your tires and your
driving skill can make FWD/RWD differences insignificant, but for
"the masses", FWD will get them farther up a snowy hill than RWD.


SMH

tbone

A Honda Civic is what I used to get the parts to fix my furnace and it did
just fine, especially for its size. Perhaps you just didn't know how to
drive it (in the snow).
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If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving

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tbone

With your severe lack of knowledge in FWD handling and operations, I doubt that.

LOL, let me ask you something. Is that Dakota a 4WD and if so, what do you
do if the front starts plowing (sliding) on a curve in the snow?

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If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving

joe

Guess you don't know what a Dakota R/T is...

My Dak has never seen snow and it never will if I can help it. Before
moving to South Florida 15 years ago, I was driving in the hills of
northern NJ for about another 15 years prior. Had a 4X4 Bronco II for
a while up there. Underpowered piece of shit, but at least it handled
the lousy roads and weather ok.

BTW, the best way to recover from a slide is to keep your feet off the
pedals until you regain control. That goes for any vehicle, RWD, FWD,
4WD, or AWD.

Joe
Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
Calypso Green '93 Mustang 5.0 LX hatch with a few goodies

joe

The number of cars in a ditch in inclement weather is directly
proportional to the number of idiots on the road.

Joe
Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
Calypso Green '93 Mustang 5.0 LX hatch with a few goodies

joe

Indeed. Unfortunately, the trade-off is that the drive wheels are
also the steering wheels. Not a good thing when the drive wheels slip.


Even simpler is the fact that when the drive wheels slip in a FWD car,
the steering wheels also slip. On slippery surfaces (i.e., snow or
ice), the drive wheels will have a tendency to slip a lot. Guess what
happens to the steering in that FWD car? Hmm...

Now _this_ is a far more pertinent reason as to why problems on the road occur.

Actually, a lot of times that is true. When I used to tool around the
hills of northern NJ in my 4X4 Bronco II, many times I'd get better
results leaving it in 2WD.

From experience, I disagree that FWD is better. I've driven both for
years and I prefer RWD.

Joe
Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
Calypso Green '93 Mustang 5.0 LX hatch with a few goodies

fwpp

I have driven RWD, FWD and 4WD in inclement weather conditions. In my
opinion, I would pick the FWD for running around town in ice or snow. I
would like to propose a test for you RWD people. Stop your RWD car on an
incline beside a FWD car and see who is left spinning. Been there, done
that. Those RWD cars sure do get in the way at intersections. :-)