ken walters

I am looking at an excursion. The salesmen are more concerned about me
buying something the same day than giving me good information. Where can I
find some good comparisons between diesel and gas engines for this SUV?
Any personal experiences?

Thanks

351cj

Diesel:
Around $5,000 more expensive
More noise
More stink
More expensive oil changes
Far fewer fuel stations that carry diesel
Better heavy (over 10,000 lbs) towing power
Tends to get a few more miles per gallon fuel mileage, your mileage may
vary...

Gas V10:
Around $5,000 less then the diesel option
Much qucker and more responsive than a diesel
Less noise
Less Stink
Cheaper oil changes
Gas at every service station
Very effective for towing up to 10,000 lbs

There ya go...

rock_doctor

Go with the diesel if you can get one. They have a huge amount of power and
good fuel economy. We get ~13 - 15mpg in the city and in the low 20's on
the highway. Diesel is easy to get especially if you drive a lot (currently
cheaper then gasoline) on the interstates and tow considerably better then
gas engines due to the low end torque. They are designed to have a 300k
mile life span in fact the 7.3l Power Stroke is the international harvester
T444D engine that you see in small busses and dump trucks. If you want to
ask specific questions go over to the diesel stop, which is a owners group.
They can answer any question you may have from simple to complex.

good luck,
mark

http://forums.thedieselstop.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=ubb37
<---general engine group

http://forums.thedieselstop.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB9
<--- for diesel excursions

bomar

No brainer...diesel.
Go here : http://www.thedieselstop.com (forums) to get real information from
actual owners of Superduties and X's and avoid "advice" from Windstar and
Ranger owners...

rudy

this SUV?


Q to inlaws: What mileage do you get from your V-10
A: 9 (!!!!!!) in town
Q: What about 'highway' ?
A: 10 (!!!) Yikes

The worst our F350 PSD gets around town is 14 and up around 19 on the
highway. It also has a 40 gal tank so the range on the highway is
remarkable. Diesel here is 35 cents a gallon less than gas so that helps
pay down the extra diesel cost quickly @ $ 14.00 per tank.
BTW, I do my own oil changes for about 25 bucks..not much more than the
'Quikee Lube" places. The Ford dealer wants 70 bucks...nawww

R.

what ever!!

Not to mention the warranty goes on to 100,000 miles on the PSD ($100.00
detuctable) after 36,000 miles. Unless it has changed since I got my 99 F350
PSD.

apples & oranges

If you are going to make comparisons, you should compare like to like. If
you compare your home done oil change to an oil change at a shop, what the
hell have you compared? The fact remains that 6 dollars worth of oil and 3
dollars for a filter on the gas engine is just shy of 1/3 the cost for the
consumables for your diesel engine oil change.

Diesel fuel here today is $1.73 per gallon, gasoline is $1.83 per gallon,
that is only 10 cents per gallon difference. $4.00 per 40 gallon purchase.
Fuel filter every 15,000 on the diesel, every 100,000 on the gas.

The more you compare them LIKE for LIKE the more years it takes to pay off
on the initial cost of the diesel engine.

If you are not doing most of your miles towing a large trailer, the only
advantage the diesel has is a few more miles per gallon fuel mileage and a
lot of other more expensive and less comfortable disadvantages. If I were
that worried about mileage I would not be driving my big guzzling vehicle
gas or diesel in the first place. If you like driving with your windows
down the diesel is much harder on your ears and nose.

Besides I have yet to have a diesel pickup or sport utility pulling a
trailer out-pull my gas 460 towing 9000 lbs up a steep pass! The diesel
damn sure can't take off quicker or go faster then the same rig with the 460
or V-10 gas engine.

If the gas engine last until the body is a rattle trap over 200,000 miles,
what good is that extra 100,000 miles on the diesel engine?

steve parker

Neither, get a Honda and stay in hotels with the money you save!

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dr. robert b. hoffman

Heeee heeee,
Mr Apples and oranges apparently hasnt had a real pull test vs a diesel with
9000 lbs attached. No way in heck youd out pull a Powerstroke with 9k on a
hill. Even if you came close, youd **** up 5x more gas doing it at 3000 more
rpm.
PS- Diesel here is $1.25 and gas is $1.86. Thats a huge difference....
RBH

apples & oranges

No way in heck you'd out pull a Powerstroke with 9k on a hill; Even if you
came close

HEE HEE?
What's the matter you can't decide whether it could be done or not?
Well you couldn't do it but if you did you would use a lot of gas. Sheese

Tell Ya what, I've pulled enough steep western passes with my rig, I know
what it will do and how many smoke choking over rated diesels (all three
brands) I've walked away from on these passes, as they slowly smoke & clunk
their way up the pass. Bring your clunking, stinking Powerstroke and your
9000 lb trailer out west and I'll show you how a hot running gas guzzling
clean quite 460 will put your Powerstroke to shame with or without a load...

Apparently you've never really had a pull test.