tlg

I didn't say anything about Japan. Nice attempt at diversion, though.

I have no exact figures (and you're not worth the time to go digging
any up, even if the military ever released them), only recorded
accounts that they happened. See below.

Tsk, tsk. Another lie.


As for making statements without proof, most of the Lefties in here do
it all the time. For some, a simple "sounds like something Dubya
would do" (and that is a direct quote) is sufficient. Such is the
lifeblood of the liberal.


In any case:


"In April 1945, the war in Europe was near its end. Allied commanders,
however, feared German SS and other hardcore elements in the Nazi
regime would not surrender but, instead, continue to tenaciously
resist while retreating to the mountains of Bavaria and Austria - an
alpine festung [fortress]. How long these 'werewolves' might hold out
was anyone’s guess.

"The resistance in Bavaria was intense, and American units suffered
more casualties in April 1945 than they had previously. Large numbers
of civilians and combatants needlessly lost their lives in this
hopeless Nazi last-ditch effort.

"In 1947, American soldiers were attacked, sometimes killed, and Army
facilities sabotaged or attacked. Part of the resistance was caused by
diehard elements who stuck it out in frustration over the
deteriorating economy and the large number of German women who were
involved with American GIs."

-- from 'Endkampf: Soldiers, Civilians,and the Death of the Third
Reich' by Stephen Fritz

"[The town of] Cham was in a hell of a shape at the time we took it
over: 18,000 PW's in a camp you could smell from five miles down wind:
with 80 Indian labor troops--British subjects!--as PW's sitting in the
middle of the stew; open latrines running all over when it rained--and
it was usually raining; everyone lousy and typhus at the epidemic
stage; food all eaten up on the day the artillery moved in and no more
could be obtained. Add to this a bunch of Bulgarian diplomats and
another bunch of Japs; a hospital full of survivors of Buchenwald; two
Kraut military hospitals full of Wermacht wounded. You can see why
Col. Davis was down at XII Corps HQ beating on desks to get food and
medical supplies.

"It took some little time after VE-Day to satisfy the Germans that
there was no use trying to fight us. As the organized combat
imperceptibly petered out in the last few days before the cease-fire
order, so sniping and other types of irregular warfare dragged on into
the days of Peace in Europe."

--The XII Corps History "Occupation Period" May 9, 1945 to October 27,
1945

And I didn't say there were mass American casualties. I said
casualties occurred, and they did. And some folks back home wanted
our troops out of there immediately, with a "Let the Krauts fend for
themselves" mentality. Folks like you.

And we'll all be sure to put your every statement and reference under
the microscope from here on out.


* * *

"We cried out of joy the day your son and
his comrades freed us from the hands of the
devil and we went to the streets not believing
that the nightmare is over...we practiced our
freedom first by kicking and burning the statues
and portraits of the hateful idol who stole
35 years from the life of a nation. For the
first time air smelled that beautiful, that was
the smell of freedom.

"The mothers went to break the bars of cells
looking for the ones they lost 5, 12 or 20 years
ago and other women went to dig the land with
their bare hand searching for a few bones they
can hold in their arms after they couldn't hold
them when they belonged to a living person."

-- from an open letter to Cindy Sheehan,
written by an Iraqi national

spike

I'm talking about the ones we used, not the ones we didn't use.

al mundy

So, were they worried if they misbehaved that we would pull our occupation
out and drop a few more?

spike

Well i've never seen a nuke go off but I would imagine that it's a
pretty intimidating sight. I was thinking more along the lines of they
saw the extent of our determination to end the war. That we'd stop at
nothing including nukes, basically.

al mundy

Who knows? Since I wasn't even a glimmer then, I can't say. But it's odd
that according to the reports I read, there really wasn't much resistance in
Germany either. If I were to hazard a guess, I would say insurgent
resistance has a lot to do with the mindset of the country before the
defeat. Since Germany and Japan put so much of their national "identity"
into the war, to then lose is a crushing blow to the nationalistic pride.
With Iraq, with 10 years of sanctions, the pot has been boiling all this
time. I'm sure everytime there was a shortage of something, the US and
sanctions got blamed. To finally be invaded for no reason after the
sanctions just make the Iraqis want to lash out at the US. Especially with
all the dreams of utilities, food, water, which are not coming true.
They're suffering from a case of "meet the new boss, same as the old boss",
except the new bosses are Christians picking on Muslims...and that would
allow for the pro-Iranian mindset developing also, since we haven't given
them anything we promised. Just like Russian hell*


* Russian and American are before the devil and offered a choice between
going to American hell or Russian hell.
"What's the difference?" None, really, says the devil. In each you have to
eat shit three times a day.

two months later they meet again, and the American is complaining. the
Russian says, "oh, it's not too bad in the Russian side. The shit deliveries
are never on time, and there's never enough to feed everyone, and the
leaders take more than their share, so we really seldom have to eat any".

tlg

I did, thanks, and they proved my point. I didn't pull the fact of
the American occupation casualties out of thin air, as you insinuated.
I've heard about them since way back in high school -- I just never
had a dweeb fixate on 'em like this before.

Isn't Google wonderful? That ol' copy and paste after searching on a
word or two can make even a guy like you look like he knows what he's
talking about.
* * *

"We cried out of joy the day your son and
his comrades freed us from the hands of the
devil and we went to the streets not believing
that the nightmare is over...we practiced our
freedom first by kicking and burning the statues
and portraits of the hateful idol who stole
35 years from the life of a nation. For the
first time air smelled that beautiful, that was
the smell of freedom.

"The mothers went to break the bars of cells
looking for the ones they lost 5, 12 or 20 years
ago and other women went to dig the land with
their bare hand searching for a few bones they
can hold in their arms after they couldn't hold
them when they belonged to a living person."

-- from an open letter to Cindy Sheehan,
written by an Iraqi national