wayne

Ok I'm not a pilot in reality. So would someone be kind enough to explain
just what SIDS and STARS are??

TIA Wayne

amd

SID
Standard Instrument Departure (SID) Charts: These charts are designed
to expedite clearance delivery and to facilitate transition between
takeoff and en route operations. They furnish pilots departure routing
clearance information in graphic and textual form.

STAR
Standard Terminal Arrival (STAR) Charts: These charts are designed to
expedite ATC arrival procedures and to facilitate transition between
en route and instrument approach operations. They present to the pilot
preplanned IFR ATC arrival procedures in graphic and textual form.
Each STAR procedure is presented as a separate chart and may serve a
single airport or more than one airport in a given geographic
location.


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Mike (amd)

bill

STAR Standard Terminal Arrival Procedure
http://www2.faa.gov/atpubs/aim/Chap5/aim0504.html#5-4-1
SIDS now called SD or Instrument Departure Procedure
http://www2.faa.gov/atpubs/aim/Chap5/aim0502.html#5-2-6

The above links are quite detailed but has all the information you need.

Both procedures allow pilots and ATC to expedite arrivals and departures via
published routes. Reduces the need for excessive chatter etc.

Hope this helps a bit.

Bill

graham mcallister

Some others may be able to enhance on this for you Wayne, but SIDS (Standard
Instrument Departures) & STARS (Standard Terminal Arrivals) are designated
pathways to and from major airports.

If you have an aircraft with an FMC (Flight Management Computer) you can
program in the SIDS & STARS and pending no intervention by ATC, otherwise
they wouldn't be standard, the aircraft will follow the path, to or from the
airport, at the designated speed and altitude.

Happy Flying...............

Graham McAllister
fs@twd.com.au

bca03

I am sure you know this Mike ( and Bill/others) but STAR stands for Standard
Terminal Arrival Routine, although I have seen it called "Routing" as well.

Rgds,

Chris J

bca03

I didn't realise that SID's were now called SD's TBH Bill. I have always
understood that they are still SID's in the UK/Europe and SD's in the
States/North America.

MT

Chris J

amd

Thanks Chris.
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Mike (amd)

bca03

Couple of minor points Graham/Wayne.

Not all STAR's actually take you to an airport. Some end near an airport.
According to where you are flying and whether we are speaking RL, or on say
VATSim, you would expect ATC to Vector you for the approach as you neared
the end of the STAR. This is certainly the case in the UK where most STAR's
end in a hold.

FSNav is also capable of including SID's and STAR's in plans you create with
it, and of course it can be used to control aircraft so that they comply
with a SID or STAR.

Whilst SID's are usually runway specific, STAR's are not always. Thus, when
creating your plan, you *might* need to know the runway in use at your
origin, but can often include a STAR no matter which runway might be in use
at your destination.

Finally, there are many different types of SID, SD, and STAR, but hopefully
you now have some idea of what they are in general Wayne. The only way to
really being to understand them is to look at a few charts.

Here is a link to a SID chart for Gatwick (EGKK) :-
http://pilotslounge.co.uk/Sample_Flight/lambourne%20sids.pdf Hopefully it
is fairly self explanatory and most pilots should be able to fly it after a
bit of practise.

Here is a STAR chart for Edinburgh :-
http://pilotslounge.co.uk/Sample_Flight/tweedSTAR.pdf and again, with a
little studying most of it should be obvious.

Let me know if you want a bit more info. about reading/understanding these
charts.

HTH

Chris J

wayne

Thanks to ALL for the information.

Wayne

change username to westes

Jeppesen's terminal charts publish a standard set of arrival and departure
procedures. What is strange is that Jeppesen never uses the acronym SID or
STAR on these charts. Are those considered SIDS / STARS, or does the chart
need to have some particular characteristic to be considered an official SID
/ STAR?

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Will
westes AT earthbroadcast.com