frood

My friend and I were on a PvE realm - I was playing a lvl 6 human warrior;
my friend was a lvl 2 human pallidin. We had just killed a wolf and picked
up the loot, when another player came up and skinned the beast without so
much as a "By your leave" or "How's your mama and them?" and then ran off.
It seemed rude that they didn't ask or even acknowledge us. I'm assuming
that person could tell that *we* couldn't skin it (we couldn't, right? not
at those levels), but I'm trying to figure out if this is standard behavior,
or if a greeting of some sort would have been more polite?

I have been lurking here for a few days, and I'm incredibly impressed by the
level of courtesy shown here. Quite a pleasant change from other newsgroups
I've seen.

--
Wendy

john gordon

In <P_kjg.27406$JW5.13634@southeast.rr.com> "frood" <froodbuffy@STUFFGriffinsFlight.com> writes:


I think you can pick up any tradeskill at level 5, so he can't have been
*sure* that you weren't going to skin it.

How long did he wait after it was looted? If he started skinning it
immediately, then indeed he was very rude. If he waited a few moments to
see if you would skin it, then I'd say he was merely somewhat antisocial.

--
John Gordon "It's certainly uncontaminated by cheese."
gordon@panix.com

Had you left a trail of unskinned kills behind you? From that it would
be obvious that you weren't skinners. That being said, I generally
don't skin someone else's kills until they've moved away from it. If
they are on the same side as me, I'll generally ask first.

-Alan

frood

No, we had just walked up the road from Goldshire. It was our first kill in
that area. And to respond to John's question, I had just looted it, and
stood up. It was the quickness of the whole thing that caught me by
surprise.

I'm not trying to be a whiner crybaby here. As rudeness goes, this was small
scale. I've seen/read far worse after declining a duel. I'm just trying to
make sure that what I *think* is rude really is, so I don't do the same to
others.

--
Wendy

wheez50

In that case, it was just plain rude. Was he from your side? In that
case, just yell hard: /y Don't touch my kills <insert name here>!

Usually helps. Either by getting /w "he's famous for that", or a big
mouth (at which others will take over chiding him). And sometimes an apology.


I did it twice now. As alliance both with horde that were there trying
to get me to do their killing.

First time was a good steal. I was waiting for a friend (hunter, 53)
as a holy pally (lvl49) on a pve server. I started to killpractice
some raptors (pretty long fights). Not using my holy shock all the
time I ran sometimes and pallypulled the next raptor. At one time I
noticed a flash, just before I attacked. The raptor shortly turned and
then turned back. Knowing someone else tagged him, I looked around and
saw an undead 60 mage. I couldn't withdraw from the pretty hard fight.
And he sat down. I killed the raptor and he walked up and looted it
and start skinning it. I was completely surprised. Seeing no way to
get back at him, I sat down and started eating an apple/drinking a
glass of milk (both in inv by accident), which calmed me down.

The dear mage killed some more raptors and I stood up. He killed two
or three at once and I walked over and skinned one. I saw a devilsaur
sneaking up on him, so I stood back. When he turned around I shocked
the 'saur. Mage didn't notice. I sat down.

I kept sitting there and after the kill (mage was good ) I kept
sitting there (innocent ^^). The mage started turning around to me and
back. And walked some away. I kept sitting, till he disappeared and
then I looted/skinned the devilsaur.

Later on my friend and I were doing the quest he needed. That same
mage appeared and again stole our kill. This time for the quest. Btw,
he didn't see me until right after, me staying around the corner to
heal when the pet had pulled. He was there with a lower lvl (54?)
hunter. In total they killed 5 regular mobs with the questgiver.
Warned by me, my friend and I caught 5/6 skins by starting to skin
their kills before looting the kills we stole from 'em. The hunter was
mad. The mage started spitting.

We had fun and walked away towards the questgiver to reset the quest.
On our way back, we met the hunter who was killing another devilsaur.
I offloaded my shock, ran in fast//trinket and started hacking, with
my friends pet alongside. Just before the hordie pet (almost) died, we
pulled agro. (My friends pet did. Now I know the hordie did
pet-cower). We finished the job and waited till he looted. He waited,
looking at us (we had saved him) . Then he talked hordish and pointed
at the corpse. I pointed ath the kill, beckoned back, greeted and
walked away.

Then I met the mage third time. My friend was still pissed and managed
to steal two out of four kills in short time. Then we managed even to
skin all four of his kills . We felt soooo good. The hordie hunter
had followed and had seen it.

Later he came online with his lowlvl alliance and asked me about it. I
apologised that he was drawn into this and explained about the mage...
He told he was really not surviving the battle against the devilsaur
and didn't understand why we rescued him. I replyed with:"ye're not
the mage".

I later on encountered the hunter again. We bowed and greeted and
parted ways...

WheeZ50 (learned to truly watch his back that day)
--
Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.
(vrij naar) ~Oscar Wilde~

marshall

It's possible to get skinning at lvl 5, so if you were lvl 6 they should have at
least had the courtesy to wait and see if you moved off without skinning it,
before going after it. If I see a kill get looted, and then a player moves off
with no obvious intent of skinning the kill, I'll wait a few moments and go
get the hide myself. But running in the instant a kill is looted and going
after the hide while someone is still standing there, is rather rude indeed.
But unfortunately you'll see that sort of behavior on occasion.

Conversely, another rather rude and thoughtless behavior (in my opinion),
is the players who slaughter whole fields of beasts without bothering to
clean the loot off of them, so that skinners who wander by have no chance
to skin the remains. Thoughless and wasteful.

If you plan on being a skinner, be aware that there are some very valuable
rare skins later on in the game, particularly from Devilsaurs, that the oppos-
ing faction are often more than happy to steal right out from under you. The
second you loot them, a hordie may have snuck up on the other side of the
huge beast unbeknownst to you and be merrily clicking away to try to get
the devilsaur leather before you can. It's a jungle out there :-)
-Marshall

frood

Ok, that's something I didn't know about and hadn't figured out yet. If my
inventory is full, and the beast drops something I don't want, say, a
chipped fang, what should I do? If my bag is full of stuff I do want, is the
right thing to do to go to the nearest vendor, sell off then go back and
finish the loot? That sounds like a pain, especially if in the middle of
nasty beasties! Or is it just the sheer magnitude of a field of kills? A
single now and then would be reasonable?
--
Wendy

catriona r

A single one's fine in that situation, of course - I leave loot on corpses
myself sometimes when my bags are so full that there's nothing else I can
drop. It's people who leave large number of unskinnable beats behind them
that annoy others - as a skinner I love following a non-skinner around and
picking up tons of easy leather.

Ok, it's a bit lazy, profiting from another's work, but it's the way of the
game, and most people are fine with it, so long as the skinners aren't rude
about it. The situation you mentioned earlier where the person skinned from
under your nose *was* rude in the extreme - it's normal etiquette to let
people move away from a corpse before moving in to skin it.
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Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 31)

wheez50

I've been doing that a lot! But always with some respect. Asking first
and trying to even help the other. Always giving a buff. A heal if
they're my side..

Had loads of fun straight after 1.10 in winterspring. I was lvl53 and
could skin the sabers. I definately couldn't handle two in any way. So
I died about ... none times? It was really farmed by huge amounts of
horde and alliance, usually helping and having fun, but not skinning.
A couple of groups of about 20 peeps in total.

And none of them skinners...


WheeZ50 (walked away with 8 (!) stacks of rugged leather)
--
Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.
(vrij naar) ~Oscar Wilde~

pv+usenet

"Marshall" <Marshall@nospam.com> writes:

Oh darn, we deprived you of free money. One of my constant peeves are
skinners who scream over and over to loot every last roast quail off of
bodies in raids. It's a piece of leather, shut up about it. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.