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15th April 06:25
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"zxcvbob" <zxcvbob@charter.net> wrote in message news:2ov56fFeto1gU1@uni-berlin.de...
He may bark some... lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver: For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it. When he barks, use the line for a correction. - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar. Lynn K. "I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in one shelter.) But their ability to set their own schedules and duties causes a great deal of scheduling overhead. And it takes effort and thought to ensure that volunteers get the meaningful experience that they work for. Someone has to be responsible for that Volunteer Program, and it is best done by a non-volunteer." Lynn K. --------------------------------- "I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe. Humane is one of those hot words that people can debate all day so I won't touch that one. There are people who would call a regular chain link fence inhumane," liea altshuller. "I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll state my opinion once and won't defend it further: any method can be cruel for some dogs. Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the beginning, but w e'vecomealongwaysincethen.Shetrusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's never been punished, even in the mildest way, for not coming. Is it time for that? What might I look for to tell?" "Julia Altshuler" <jaltshuler@comcast.net> wrote in message news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51... "Things are beginning to get much worse day by day and the vets seem unable to help. http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV" THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and ASYLUM ESCAPEES. Or step on IT: "BethF" <beth@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote in message news:v4r8kkfr257e1a@corp.supernews.com... Right. You need a ceiling beam or a tree limb or a regular door will work. But not a garage door: "The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York: Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)." Hanging "First, the trainer makes certain that the collar and leash are more than adequate for any jerk or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could cause. Then he starts to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where the dog makes his grab. Before the teeth have reached their target, the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from the ground. As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems the dog is suspended in mid-air. However, to let the biting dog recover his footing while he still had the strength to renew the attack would be cruelty. The only justifiable course is to hold him suspended until he has neither the strength nor inclination to renew the fight. When finally it is obvious that he is physically incapable of expressing his resentment and is lowered to the ground, he will probably stagger loop-legged for a few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll over on his side. The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued, on his side, is not pleasant, but do not let it alarm you Right. Like HOWE a dog lover would. Paxil Princess psychoclown wrote: "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG. Now you are ready to progress to what most people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch. Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in With your hand on the collar and ear, say, 'fetch.' Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb; Say 'fetch' while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching its ear," lying frosty dahl. "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as possible. What does this mean? When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior." --Mike Dufort author of the zero selling book "Courteous Canines" "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author: "Courteous Canine." You could call the owner and settle for less than the dog catcher's fee and you'll both be better off. Or bark, too: "The Koehler Method of Dog Training" Howell Book House," 1996 William Koehler BARKING, WHINING, HOWLING, YODELING, SCREAMING, AND WAILING The fact that you realize you have such a problem makes it certain you have "reproved" the dog often enough to let him know you were against his sound effects, even though your reproving didn't quiet them, so we'll bypass the loudly clapped hands, the cup of water in his face, and the "shame-shames" and start with something more emphatic. We'll begin with the easiest kind of vocalist to correct: the one that charges gates, fences, doors, and windows, barking furiously at familiar or imaginary people and objects. A few clusters of BBs from a good slingshot, in conjunction with the light line and plenty of temptations, will cause such a dog to use his mind rather than his mouth. But you won't make the permanent impression unless you supply dozens of opportunities for him to exercise the control he thus acquires. Make sure these opportunities don't always come at the same time of the day, else he may learn to observe the "quiet hour" and pursue his old routines at other times. With the help of the light line, it will be easy to follow the BBs with a long down to make sure he gets the most from his lesson. As was mentioned before, eliminating the senseless barking will not lessen the dog's value as a watchdog but rather, as he grows more discriminating, increase it. The dog who vocalizes in bratty protest or lonesomeness because you're gone constitutes a different problem. If it is impractical for someone to stay with him constantly (there are owners who cater to neurosis by employing dog sitters), you'll have to heed the neighbors and the law and quiet the dog. This calls for a little ingenuity as well as a heavy hand. Attach a line to your dog's collar, so your corrective effort doesn't turn into a footrace around the house until you reach a stalemate under the bed. This use of the line in the correction will also serve to establish it as a reminder to be quiet as the dog drags it around when you're not present. Next, equip yourself with a man's leather belt or a strap heavy enough to give your particular dog a good tanning. Yup-we're going to strike him. Real hard. Remember, you're dealing with a dog who knows he should be quiet and neighbors who have legal rights to see that he does. Now leave, and let your fading footsteps tell the dog of your going. When you've walked to a point where he'll think you're gone but where you could hear any noises he might make, stop and listen. If you find a comfortable waiting place on a nearby porch, be careful not to talk or laugh. Tests show a dog's hearing to be many times as sharp as yours. When the noise comes, instead of trying to sneak up to the door so you can barge in while he's still barking, which is generally impossible, respond to his first sound with an emphatic bellow of "out," and keep on bellowing as you charge back to his area. Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you've conveniently placed, and descend on him. He'll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or, if he's a big dog, until you've snubbed him up with a hitch on something. While he's held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it's the bitter end. A real whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat performances that will be necessary. When you're finished and the dog is convinced that he is, put him on a long down to think things over while you catch your breath. After fif**** or twenty minutes, release him from the stay and leave the area again. So that you won't feel remorseful, reflect on the truth that a great percentage of the barkers who are given away to "good homes" end up in the kindly black box with the sweet smell. Personally, I've always felt that it's even better to spank children, even if they "cry out," than to "put them to sleep." You might have a long wait on that comfortable porch before your dog starts broadcasting again. When he does, let your long range bellow tie the consequent correction to his first sound and repeat the spanking, if anything emphasizing it a bit more. It might be necessary to spend a Saturday or another day off so that you'll have time to follow through sufficiently. When you have a full day, you will be able to convince him each yelp will have a bad consequence, and the consistency will make your job easier. If he gets away with his concert part of the time, he'll be apt to gamble on your inconsistency. After a half dozen corrections, "the reason and the correction" will be tied in close enough association so that you can move in on him without the preliminary bellowing of "out." From then on, it's just a case of laying for the dog and supplying enough bad consequences of his noise so he'll no longer feel like gambling. Occasionally, there is a dog who seems to sense that you're hiding nearby and will utter no sound. He also seems to sense when you have really gone away, at least according to the neighbors. Maybe his sensing actually amounts to close observation. He could be watching and listening for the signs of your actual going. Make a convincing operation of leaving, even if it requires changing clothes and being unusually noisy as you slam the doors on the family car and drive away. Arrange with a friend to trade cars a block or two from your house so you can come back and park within earshot without a single familiar sound to tell the dog you've returned. A few of these car changes are generally enough to fool the most alert dog. Whether your dog believes you are gone anytime you step out of the house or requires the production of changing clothes and driving off, keep working until even your neighbors admit the dog has reformed. If there has been a long history of barking and whining, it sometimes requires a lot of work to make a dog be quiet when you're not around, so give the above method an honest try before you presume your dog requires a more severe correction. "I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition. Should I have refused to groom them? Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter." Lynn K. Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message news:<04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>.. . Here's 2 from the same person: "You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn. lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs: "This Article Is Something We've Put Together For SF GSD Rescue From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosmakos@home.com) Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats Date: 1999/11/20 ginger57@my-deja.com wrote: Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K. "Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in this situation. Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or whatever other reward system was being used." 8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is why you have the dog muzzled). If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your voice and the collar. This is important - the correction must be physically very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need to be corrected at all)." Of curse. The Amazing Puppy Wizard CONsulted a couple of E***PERTS in their field... Of curse, you KNOW The Amazing Puppy Wizard's gonna have all the answers. Meanwhile, here's HOWE the E***PERTS view it: "Stealing Dogs, Gang Banging Whores" - By haggerty / maida From: Bob631 (bob631@aol.com) Subject: Re: Abuse? Date: 1996/07/13 In article <zobkiw-1207962243140001@beethoven.triplesoft.com>, zobkiw@triplesoft.com (Joe Zobkiw) writes: Have someone steal the dog out of the yard and place it out of state. Don't get caught. Bob Maida From: Bob631 (bob631@aol.com) Subject: Re: Abuse? Date: 1996/07/15 In article <4s8evu$5qn@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, page-usa@ix.netcom.com(Ken M.) writes: Some of you have never heard of a trainer/breeder or fancier suggesting stealing a dog, however, you have never heard me speak to my clients. I have a handful (small Handful) of times suggested to people to steal a dog that had been obviously abused and mistreated. About four years ago I considered stealing a dog that Animal Care and Control would do nothing about and the dog was obviously mistreated and neglected. I stupidly listened to someone who said that I shouldn't steal the dog. ====================== So much for HOWER good captain haggerty's graduate student / affiliate's ETHICS... Seems stealin ain't really in booby's NATURE cause he's a COWARD, a DOG ABUSER, and a LIAR. He's not even honest enough to steal when he feels it's JUSTIFIED... to save the life of an innocent victim. Where does booby get such assinine ideas from?: "I FIRMLY STAND BEHIND BOB'S ADVICE "STEAL THE DOG, DON'T GET CAUGHT". YOU WILL SLEEP BETTER. Sincerely, Babette Haggerty (guest user Suopie@aol.com) P.S. None of the dogs I have right now are hot. West Palm Beach, FL ==================== HOWEDY People, Here's HOWER good captain's dog training school graduate booby maida, when he called The Puppy Wizard to beg HIM not to criticize his training advice. The Puppy Wizard advised captain haggerty's student / associate that HE would NOT criticize his postings so long as booby's INFORMATION was IMPECCABLE and above reproach: ------------------------------------------------------------------ This "Red Ribbon Webring" site is owned by: CAPTAIN HAGGERTY ------------------------------------------------------------------ AFFILIATES/Links: International Association of Canine Professionals (IACP) Bob Maida Presidential Dog Training ----------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Maida (bob631@aol.com) Subject: Re: Need Advice About Jumping (ninnyboy) Date: 2001-02-16 12:00:41 PST Laura, Better off to totally ignore him. Don't give him the attention and conflict he craves. His mother was a prostitute and had no time for him. Father?? --Unknown. They say he was part of a migrant worker gang bang in the Fla orchids. He is under house arrest (this is why no one has ever met him) for molesting children at Disney World. Someone here needs to find out the name of his probation officer and report his online harassing. Bob Maida Dog Training/Problem Counseling since 1969 Herndon, Virginia Adopt/Foster one until there are none ==================== From: babette@haggertydog.com (babette@haggertydog.com) Subject: Re: Experiences/Info on Collie-Wolf Mixes? They won't respond to FORCE and ABUSE, no matter HOWE ''FAIR'' you THINK you are being... Date: 2000/03/25 I just got on this list for the first time less than five minutes ago. NOW I KNOW why I have heard about Jerry Howe! He is that ASS that has his head there too but NO ONE in Orlando - NOT TRAINERS NOR DOG OWNERS NOR VETS have heard of him !!! He can speak of his experience with hybrids because it is limited to NONE! I can say that because NO ONE has ever heard of him. Can't seem to find ANYONE in ORLANDO who knows him. Unlike Jerry, I research before I speak falsely, like he has spoken of Bob. Not only is he an ass but he can't spell - it is BOB not Boob - that is what old people would call Jerry. Spent a week with Bob, he trains with lots of positive reinforcement and seems that everyone I talk to in Northern Virginia, including the Reagans (Nancy and Ron) are really happy with him. Can't say the same for Jerry - NO ONE in ORLANDO knows him!!!!!!!!!!!! Babette Haggerty ========================= Seems babette FORGOT: From: Suopie (suopie@aol.com) Subject: Re: Venting my anger Date: 1997/08/15 The best thing to do is call the local Animal Care and Control. <snip> Babette Haggerty Dog Trainer North Palm Beach, FL From: babette@haggertydog.com (babette@haggertydog.com) Subject: Re: Creating A New and Moderated Newsgroup??? Date: 2000/03/25 Oh Come on Bob, I just got on this list and this guy is hysterical! He is funny as hell! What a raving loon!! Look at the time that he is on the list. The middle of the day for hours and hours - this is busy season for dog trianing in Florida - OBVIOUSLY he doesn't have any dogs to train. Bbaette Haggerty =========================== The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME is the perfect synergy of love, pride, desire, self will, greed, ego, fear, hate, arrogance, disbelief, jealousy, embarrassment, embellishment, shame, guilt, anger, aversion, attraction, revulsion, change, permanence, enlightenment, insult, attrition, and conditioning. It's the perfect fusion of The Word..., in the physical. It's time for the dog training industry and the universities who TEACH "behaviorists" to DEFEND THEIR METHODS against 100% NEAR INSTANT TOTAL SUCCESS as PROVEN by the C-HOWENTLESS NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Student's REPORTS, after they've "TRIED ALL OTHER METHODS and FAILED". "The thinking that got us into this mess will be insufficient to get us out of it." --Albert Einstein All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer "Thank you for fighting the fine fight-- even tho it's a hopeless task, in this system of things. As long as man is ruling man, there will be animals (and humans!) abused and neglected. :-( Your student," Juanita. "If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow," John Wayne. The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~ } > |
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