Servo451 2006-09-22 07:10:42
You can almost hear the crickets chirping in this NG. It’s sooooo quiet.
Or is it just me?
Ian salsbury 2006-09-22 07:10:55
I was all set to read it the last rites! To be honest, the very few of us
that posted in here are all on other “active” groups as well, leaving this
one kind of surplus to requirements. At least that is, until Manowar do
something again. Although I did post my thoughts on the new single a while
back but no-one else seems to have heard it. Or care about it, one or the
Allan evans 2006-09-22 07:11:05
I’ve heard the new single, it’s good as far as Manowar go. I guess
nobody else has heard it much to comment though.
Other than that this newsgroup is probably going to go the way of others
before too long, a couple of spammers obviously are now using it for
their own purposes. Not very bright spammers mind you, as there isn’t
that great an audience here.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 07:11:14
It definately feels like it.
The last Manowar thing I knew about was the re-issue of their stuff
on SPV several months ago. I got HtE and IGR, mainly because I thought
the original CD’s didn’t sound all that good.
Anyway, I guess I missed comments about the single, or I just didn’t
hear it. I assume it’s released now?
H***, those also get pasted all over the other 4 ng’s I look at. I
don’t think they even read them, just send out the messages.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 07:11:21
I went to Amazon, and the last stuff they list is all the re-issue
remasters released on June 28, 05. Before that, the next thing they
list is the Dawn of Battle. (which is also re-issued, don’t know about
I was also looking at the Manowar website, and can’t find a new
single listed. They do list 14 singles they’ve released. However,
their website is slow to be updated.
What’s it called, the new single?
Allan evans 2006-09-22 07:11:30
Ian started up a thread on it a while ago, King of Kings.
The official website has them available, not for free though.
They’re only a couple of bucks each, so if you’re interested it won’t
break the bank 😉
Tom_b 2006-09-22 07:11:39
That rattles the memory. I assume this will be on the new album, and
have they issued it via CD?
Allan evans 2006-09-22 07:11:50
Yeah it’s from the forthcoming album. Apparently you can get the single
on CD as a bonus with the Manowar DVD, H*** On Earth- Volume IV. Other
than that I don’t think it’s been released separately elsewhere yet.
Ian salsbury 2006-09-22 07:11:58
I liked it, typical Manowar doing the sort of thing I like Manowar doing.
Those spammers turn up in a few places…I sometimes wonder why they don`t
check on some of the groups they post in though, clealry this one is a waste
of their time. I`ve killfiled them all anyway, none are showing up in here
for me just now.
Ian salsbury 2006-09-22 07:12:05
King of Kings. The website calls it a single but AFAIK it`s only available
as a download for the minute.
You have to pay for it but it`s less then half a pint of beer so I went
along with it 🙂 They`re very high quality MP3s. Received a confirmation
email hailing me and thanking for me for helping to spread the true word of
heavy metal. Good to see the whole Manowar family is as cheesy as the band!
Tom_b 2006-09-22 07:12:12
I wonder when the box set of their H*** on Earth DVD’s will be
Tom_b 2006-09-22 07:12:21
I was kicking around on that, and apparently they will have all
their singles to be downloaded in such a manner. Including the
Defender single, which is long out of print. (as are probably all the
others aside from the Warriors of the World single and Dawn of Battle.)
Got to keep the spirit alive.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 07:13:44
Yeah, I think it totally died. Last non-troll spam message was 9-15
Tom_b 2006-09-22 07:13:52
Speaking of powermetal and Manowar, I had this CD nuclear blast
issued a couple years ago. A promo. I have mentioned it before, but I
was listening to the Hammerfall song, and the had the line something
like “Not be out done in bravery.”
That line surely has been used by Manowar years ago, right?
In any event, the song is called “way of the Warrior” I believe.
I may just buy a Hammerfall album yet. Any recommends?
Ian salsbury 2006-09-22 07:14:01
Glory to the Brave – excellent, totally hooked me. Un-ashamed fist punching
cheesy fast power metal. Don`t know why I love this as much as I do but I
Legacy of Kings – as before, not quite as good but still a fun listen
Renegade – has it moments, production a bit thin, songs a little less
inspired but worthy
Crimson Thunder – getting a bit tired now, started losing interest in them
from here on in.
Chapter V – Despite a great opening song the album just descended into
mundanity. Barely played it.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 07:14:10
Sounds good. I am going to look into this. Which album was Way of the Warrior on?
Ian salsbury 2006-09-22 07:14:18
Renegade. All of the first 3 albums are worth getting, if you like this song
you should like much of it ( all 5 albums have at least one truly dreadful
ballad on them ). The last 2 have left me cold though, especially Chapter V.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 07:14:29
That did not take long to get a reply. As for dreadful ballad? How
bad are we talking? Are they as bad as most of what is called hair
metal bands used to do?
Ben griffiths 2006-09-22 07:14:38
Woh, Hair Metal/C*** Rock are feckin’ awsome!
Ian salsbury 2006-09-22 07:14:48
Truly, inexcusably bad.
I`d say so. I always skip them.
Ben griffiths 2006-09-22 07:14:56
Am I the only one who enjoys ballads? I’d happily have a single album
with ballads on it, like the ‘Greatest Ballads Ever’
I mean, come on, this is a Manowar Newsgroup!
Tom_b 2006-09-22 07:15:05
More cheesy than a 500 pound chunk of colby cheese?
This makes my day.
On a side note, about the CoB. I know you sort of called it
CoBordom. Could it be that you’ve been hearing them for years, all
their previous albums, and their schtick is just wearing off on you?
As I hear it, it’s about what I expected. No real suprise.
Maybe this is also the drawback for The Haunted, In Flames, DT and
Soilwork. You’ve heard them all from the start. Perhaps they just
can’t surprise you anymore, and so they may not offer you much
enjoyment anymore. Although I know you like DT and IF newer stuff.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 07:15:14
I don’t much like to admit it, but I did like some of that stuff back
then. Today I wouldn’t go within 500 miles of hearing most of those
songs. It was so overblown, and played to death (the local radio hacks
still play that like anyone needs to hear those songs for the 500th
However, you can like what you want, and I won’t run you down any.
But what bands did you like the most? I usually liked those bands
where I thought the guitar player was great.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 07:15:22
I do believe that Manowar’s ballads are a bit different than say,
Bon Jovi, Ratt, Poison, Great White, Whitesnake and so on.
As for it, Greatest ballads ever, I think there was one of those “tv
albums” things that had a lot of the well known hair metal band’s
ballads on it.
Servo451 2006-09-22 07:15:42
Scorpions mastered the Heavy Metal ballad and then promptly ran it 10 feet
deep into the ground. I am with you though. Rock ballads DO have a time
and place. We got light our lighters at the show for something, don’t
we?!!?!? I tried lighting my lighter for Freewheel Burning once but I just
about caught my mullet on fire when I started head bangin’.
Motley’s Home Sweet Home and Don’t go Away Mad were above par for ballads.
Accept: Winterdreams. Scorps: Still Loving You. Priest’s: Beyond the
Realms or Out in the Cold (of course). I’m sure there are several others- I
just can’t think of ’em right now.
(Standing by to receive h***’s fury from Tom. I really do like a lot of
I’m everywhere. I’m the wind, baby!
Ian salsbury 2006-09-22 07:15:51
Such a thing would be an abomination against all of mankind.
Manowar didn`t even make a ballad until the Kings of Metal album, I wouldn`t
say they`re renowned for them. Indeed, I`d question whether they`ve ever
made one at all. There`s a difference between a ballad and a song that isn`t
heavy. Stuff like Crown and the Ring and Master of the Wind are more quiet
anthems than ballads. Much better and a lot different to the typical 80`s
hair band ballads. I hate all that drippy assed stuff. Sorry!
Ian salsbury 2006-09-22 07:15:58
It`s a time when I`m asleep somwhere and a place that I`m far away from…
Ian salsbury 2006-09-22 07:16:07
How much old CoB stuff have you heard? Their first couple of albums were
like a fast thrashed up melodic Maiden on speed sort of affair. This new one
is too crunchy, slower and lays off all the twin guitar melody stuff. It` s
not that I`m bored with their sound so much that I don`t like the direction
they`ve gone in over the last couple of albums. There were a couple of songs
on the new one I liked but for the most part it`s just dull.
I absolutely love DT. They did go places they`d never been before with
Projector and Haven and even now they`re not exactly the same as they were
on the early albums. Indeed their first was a face ripping hundred mile an
hour death metal assault. Other early albums didn`t have all the keyboard
melodies and stuff either. In fact, I wouldn`t say any of those bands
you`ve listed have stayed the same, early Soilwork has a more AtG sound,
nowadays they`re almost pop metal. The Haunted were a full on thrash band
and have gradually taken on more metalcore elements. IF have certainly
changed a lot, not for the better but I still like them. So with all of
them, they`re certainly surprising me but I don`t always like the new
Tom_b 2006-09-22 07:16:17
That was back then, when you had hair, right?
No. I understand people like different things for different reasons,
but to me, Motley only did one thing above par, and that was party their a**** off.
I don’t count Beyond the Realms as a ballad. Now, Last Rose of
Summer, yeah. Out In the Cold, yeah. Night Comes Down, yeah.
H***, I’m a teddy bear compared with what Ian’s probably going to
Tom_b 2006-09-22 07:16:25
There is such a thing. I believe it’s called “monster ballads” and
they advertise it on tv.
I would have to agree with the thing about Manowar. Their ballads
aren’t “you loved me and left me and now I am in pain, and hate the
world” ballads like most of the 80’s hair metal bands did.
Master of the Wind is a very impressive song. Heart of Steel is as
Tom_b 2006-09-22 07:16:34
The train just pulled into h***. For those who don’t know, H*** has
all those 80’s hair band ballads playing 24/7.
There’s a bunch of whores in h*** as well. But you can’t touch them,
it’s h*** after all.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 07:16:41
You know the answer to that. I have the first album, HCDR and now the new album.
Fair enough. I’ve heard it three times. I don’t have a problem with
it. I can understand how someone who’s been a fan all along might.
So which songs did you like?
I did get the Gallery and the Minds I, as of yet, I haven’t got
other DT albums. I do like the ones I have heard quite a bit. I’ve
been meaning to fill out the collection, just haven’t done so yet.
The other part of that was that maybe they may not offer you much
I would agree with the Soilwork comment. The more the guy sings, the
more poppy it comes off. They still do reach back occasionally.
Still, no matter what anyone says, I like the Haunted, that last
song, My Shadow kicks a**. I don’t see the reason behind the scorn
they seem to get over it.
Maybe I should go about getting some of the early albums.
Servo451 2006-09-22 07:17:06
Hey guys. I guess if’n we wanna get technical and pissy about it. Isn’t a
ballad in 4 line stanzas with every other line rhyming or similar with every
Soooo. Judas Priest’s “Painkiller” is closer to a ballad than Warrant’s “I
Saw Red”. I’d venture to guess that Manowar has a ton of ballads that are
musically and “structurally sound”, and Winger prolly doesn’t have a single
“true” ballad. I’m just smarting off, of course (It’s what I do, heh). I
haven’t researched this- I actually have better things to do.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 23:35:02
It’s alright. It won’t be the first time you made a statement
without having any facts to back it up with.
Servo451 2006-09-22 23:35:11
You taught me all I know. Are ya proud of me?
Tom_b 2006-09-22 23:35:19
I guess you didn’t learn a d*** thing.
Ian salsbury 2006-09-22 23:35:29
I do remember some album called Soft Metal which did well over here a few
years back which was basically a collection of rock ballads. Soft metal –
Ian salsbury 2006-09-22 23:35:38
I didn`t know the answer, I wouldn`t have asked otherwise! I can`t keep a
mental track of every album you`ve told me you`ve heard! I knew you had the
last one, couldn`t remember other than that.
I`ve only heard it once to remember. From what I recall it picked up mid
album with a few decent tunes. I`ll probably give it another few listens yet
before saying too much more but there`s been loads of better releases
recently to bother with it much.
The very first isn`t essential to be honest, although it does come with the
really good EP they released after it as well. Or it did, the re-releases
may be different. Projector and Haven are great, especially Projector. Takes
a few listens to adjust to the style change though.
There were 3 or 4 songs on the new Haunted album that I thought were really
c***…My Shadow was one of them to be honest. I liked some of it but
overall it wasn`t the total thrashfest of their first couple of
albums…which was what I liked about them so much in the first place.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 23:35:48
That abomination CD is out in the stores. Although the local chain
store didn’t have it, they had a plastic card that separates CD’s with
the name on it. They had other 80’s hair metal CD’s. So this guy who
wanted that, can surely find it.
The saddest thing is, these old washed up pansy’s go on tour in the
US as the rock never stops tour, and other tours and still draw
thousands a night.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 23:35:57
I thought we covered this recently as well. Anyway I forgot to
mention that I have the Trashed Lost & Strungout EP/Single as well.
I am only missing on the two middle studio albums and the live album.
I’d have to agree. There’s been a lot of good releases this year,
and some bands where I’ve went back into the catalog a bit and liked
For sure the DT is better.
The only thing I will say about new CD’s in general is, even if
they’re not the best thing I’ve ever heard, a new CD gives me some 40
minutes of noise that is different than the last 40 minutes of noise
the last one gave me.
Sometimes I just want to hear a CD full of short quick songs, just
to get me in gear at work. The COB will work for that.
From what I understand of what you said, the vocals is clean/rough
alternating sort of style. Which for me is something I’m well adapted
to from Opeth to many other bands I’ve bought the past few years.
My Shadow builds up a creepy sort of atmosphere. If you don’t pay
attention to the lyrics it probably would pass you by and maybe it
would suck. Maybe you give it another listen and follow the lyrics and
maybe it turns out differently.
Overall I don’t have much problems with the album. If anything it’s
mostly a play the album to get into gear at work sort of thing. Songs
like 99, Burnt to a Shell, Nothing Right. Just speedy numbers. I like
it, but I can force anyone else to like it if they don’t.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 23:36:44
This is the one the local shop has in stock. The release date is
1998. So I guess they’ve been around longer than I thought.
I might buy it sometime soon. (next week) Tom
Ian salsbury 2006-09-22 23:36:55
That`s part of it, it`s a lot more “goth” as well, it`s where they first
started using keyboards, slowing down and using more despondant melodies ( I
know what I mean here if no-one else does! ) , the album has quite a
different feel to it than the previous ones.
For sure. I played it a bunch of times and it didn`t sit right with me at
Ian salsbury 2006-09-22 23:37:03
They`ve been around 10 years or so. When the debut came out it struck me
partly because it had been so long since I`d heard something like it and
done with such un-ashamed abandon. This is worth getting if you fancy a bit
of cheesy euro power metal. I like it.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 23:37:13
Goth? That could be fighting words if you said it to the band.
Ok, then, I guess it’s a dead letter, then.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 23:37:23
Well, let’s see. I like Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Manowar and
Running Wild. I think cheesy metal is right up my alley as they say.
Lurch 2006-09-22 23:37:35
I’m a big fan of the whole European-style epic/power metal genre myself,
and I do recommend Hammerfall to anyone else into that style, although I
must admit their singer’s voice does have a tendency to “thin out” at
certain registers, sounding a bit forced at times (it lacks the clear
carrying power of an Eric Adams or Bruce Dickinson). I’m always on the
lookout for more bands in the sword-&-sorcery power metal vein, so if
anyone else has any suggestions I’m all ears!
Tom_b 2006-09-22 23:37:45
You might like Jag Panzer, some.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 23:37:58
I’m probably going to buy this tomorrow, and I will let you know
what I think after a few listens. If I like it a bit, I’ll probably
buy the first, and go on from there.
But, Judas Priest is supposed to issue a new DVD on the 15th, and
nothing is going to keep me from getting it.
Ian salsbury 2006-09-22 23:38:10
I see no reason why you wouldn`t like them ,you may even be more tolerant of
the later stuff than I am.
Ian salsbury 2006-09-22 23:38:17
I`m not the biggest fan of all that to be honest…try hanging around
alt.rock-n-roll.metal.ironmaiden, a lot of power metal bands get
recommended. The obvious choice I`d think of would be Rhapsody but I guess
you`ve heard of them. A slightly more obscure band that did impress me a lot
are Wuthering Heights.
Ian salsbury 2006-09-22 23:38:28
There are a load of good DVDs coming out, I need a lottery win. Anthrax`s
reunion one is high on my list, Megadeth`s retrospective one should be good,
the Voivod ones look amazing, Cradle of Filth, Amon Amarth, Iron
Maiden…all bringing stuff out before Xmas.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 23:38:36
Some song titles…
The Dragon Lies Bleeding
Steel Meets Steel
Glory To The Brave
Heeding The Call
Legacy Of Kings
Stronger Than All
Templars Of Steel
Living In Victory
The Way Of The Warrior
Riders Of The Storm
The Unforgiving Blade
On The Edge Of Honour
Hammer Of Justice
Born To Rule
Are you sure this isn’t the guys from Manowar with a side project?
Tom_b 2006-09-22 23:38:44
Quite possible. I did say I was going to buy one of their CD’s. One
that you said you liked a lot.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 23:38:52
WH, yeah, that is on my list of bands to check out closer. I just
haven’t gotten around to that yet.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 23:39:00
What Iron Maiden DVD? They issued Rock in Rio and the one with all
their promo videos, unless it’s Live after Death getting a proper
clean up and issue on DVD, what could they be doing that RiR didn’t
cover well enough?
Ian salsbury 2006-09-22 23:39:07
They are clearly influenced by bands like Manowar. They list both Accept and
Priest as heroes as well so you`d be on common ground over a beer with them.
They do a lot of that “metal brothers” sort of lyrics that Manowar do, one
of their t-shirts has ” a metal heart is hard to tear apart” on the back and
all their album covers have warrior knights waving big hammers about.
Ian salsbury 2006-09-22 23:39:17
And indeed I do. I`m a big fan of their first 2 albums, a moderate fan of
their 3rd, ambivalent towards their 4th and dismissive of their 5th.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 23:39:28
Yeah, I was looking at their albums on Amazon. Nice artwork. Very
Manowarish, but I imagine a lot of those PM bands have that as well.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 23:39:41
It is their second album. By this time tomorrow I should be getting
Ian salsbury 2006-09-22 23:39:51
Maiden have gone DVD mad. They released that early days DVD earlier in the
year…which is the best DVD I`ve ever bought…and have since said they
want to document every tour they do. So, a DVD of the Death on the Road tour
is imminent and next year ( I think ) sees a release of a DVD covering
1984-87 which will include LaD. Future releases will presumably be 1988-91
covering the Seventh Son and No Prayer tours ( which hopefully will have
Donnington 88 on it ) and then I guess they`ll feature the end of the Bruce
era with the Blaze and the reunion all on one package. For surely a Blaze
era DVD wouldn`t sell much on it`s own. After that we`ll have RiR, DotR and
then one after each tour. I quite like the idea personally although I think
it`s overkill releasing a CD of each tour as well which they seem to be
doing. Although as Bruce has said they`re partly doing it for a personal
record and people don`t have to buy what they don`t want.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 23:40:00
Maybe in a few years they can re-issue the albums with the DVD in
one package. H***, that might make some of the albums sell more.
The ad…Buy DoD, X Factor or Virtual XI and get $5 off of LAD DVD.
Buy all three and recieve LAD DVD for free!
I did see the DoTR thing. The audio CD was issued Oct 5 according to
Amazon. The DVD is due out on the 22.
Amazon lists a Maiden England DVD with Donnington on it. It is
Looks like there is about 10 different official IM DVD’s that you
can buy. LAD can be had, but it’s an import, of perhaps questionable
quality, and questionable license.
This about the Maiden England DVD
British metal meisters Iron Maiden are filmed before an audience of
over 100,000 in their native England now presented in DVD NTSC/ALL
REGION format in slimline case. Performing in Donington on their
“Seventh Son of a Seventh Son” tour, Maiden perform a set that last
over an hour and a half, impressing their loyal and enthusiastic fans.
Tracks include classics like “The Evil That Men Do,” “Prisoner,” and
Ian salsbury 2006-09-22 23:40:13
Hmmmm, I`m a bit skeptical about this. Being a fanboi I`m d*** sure I`d know
if they`d ever released this commercially, it`s a gig that I was at and have
always hoped they`d release. I can`t believe they`d have sneaked it out on
the quiet. Maiden England was released in 1989 and was filmed at Birmingham
NEC, I have the old VHS tape somewhere. It`s not even the complete concert
IIRC. Then again, perhaps it`s a bootleg…I can`t believe Amazon are
selling LaD DVD there, it`s not an official release.
As far as I`m aware Maiden have officially released Rock in Rio, The Early
Days and Visions of the Beast ( which is a compilation of all of their promo
videos ). Death on the Road is imminent. There`s a docu DVD of the making of
Number of the Beast which was originally broadcast on British television and
isn`t an official Maiden release, and another un-official docu called The
Legacy of the Beast. Raising H*** has been released in the States on DVD
but not here for some reason, this was a re-release of an old farewell fan
club Bruce concert from around 1993. It was also originally aired on British
TV. The singles off of Dance of Death were released in DVD format so you
could see the videos of the song as well as get it in 5.1, this seems to be
a common thing to do nowadays.
So officially, there`s only 3 Maiden DVDs with another out before Xmas.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 23:40:22
I guess via imports it might be. There’s so many record deals in
other countries. With the Maiden England, perhaps someone did it for
release in some countries. But through imports stuff can be out you don’t hear about.
Raising H*** was officially released in the US. I know someone who
bought the DVD.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 23:41:06
I did get the legacy of kings CD. Major cheesy. Now, that does not
mean I can’t like it. It actually brought a smile to my face yesterday
at work as I listened to it. I felt better after the album, then I did
before I listened to it.
I also listened to it today when I was at work. It’s pretty good
Manowarish knock off sounding metal. I probably could like some of
their other albums as well.
Hammerfall singer orders a pizza over the phone.
clerk, “So, would you like extra cheese with that pizza?”
“Of course, I wouldn’t have it any other way!”
clerk “We already have put 5 times the normal amount of cheese on it,
are you sure you want more?”
“no amount of cheese is too much.”
Ian salsbury 2006-09-22 23:41:14
This is a good way of explaining why I like Hammerfall I guess..they put a
smile on my face. It is unashamed, feel good trad metal without a care for
who likes it or not. It`s good, fist in the air, shout it out loud fun. For
whatever reason, later albums failed to make me smile so much.
Indeed, a band that really couldn`t give a toss for who`s laughing with them
and who`s laughing at them. And that`s part of the appeal.
Tom_b 2006-09-22 23:41:42
So the first album is better. Maybe in a few weeks I order it. By
the way, there is some flack over on the JP newsgroup about LoK.
I agree. I suppose they put on a show for the fans, and those who
don’t like it can just leave.
I do see what you mean by ballads. That last song is quite bad. I
also sort of thought Dreamland was a bit, uh, calling a song on an
album filled with cheese, cheesy seems a bit overkill.
Ian salsbury 2006-09-22 23:42:12
It`s better IMO but essentially more of the same. Whatever you think of this
one you`ll probably think of the that as well one to a similar degree.
I have seen Hammerfall live at Wacken, 2001 I think. The stage set was quite
elaborate, a big castle with a drawbridge which the band came on to, lots of
metal posturing and a big walking knight smashing his hammer on the ground
during the song “Let the Hammer Fall”. It was good fun stuff. I can accept
it`ll be too cheesy for some but if you let yourself go along with it it`s
Lurch 2006-09-22 23:42:30
To quote a not-so-old commercial:
“…but it’s the cheese sauce that makes it *taste so good!*” 🙂
Tom_b 2006-09-22 23:42:52
That seems predictable. I wonder if they’re big enough to do that
during all shows or not?
Tom_b 2006-09-23 08:53:06
I also listened to this this week. They might be too cheesy to hold
my attention for long. It’s good for what it is, but I don’t know if I
will buy another CD or not.
Ian salsbury 2006-09-23 08:53:27
They were of their time for me on a personal basis. It was something I
hadn`t heard for ages around 97ish and hit the spot. Can`t remember the last
time I played them although the first 2 albums will always be good fun for
Tom_b 2006-09-23 08:53:35
It does seem to be good harmless fun. Maybe I will be in the mood
for another shot of it in a few months.