andrew

Where does the 5% body fat estimate come from?


Medication. Your doctor should be able to prescribe you something.

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Board-Certified Cardiologist
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kduerksen

The 5% body fat measurement comes from a dunk tank measurement taken a
couple months ago.

As for the medication idea, that's not right. That's the standard
"doctor" response. I want to know the cause of my high blood pressure.
Otherwise medication is a waste of time since it only treats the
symptom. On top of that, I don't have a doctor right now since I don't
have health insurance. Paying for a doctor visit and for drugs is out
of the question for the unemployed!

Kurt

peabody

Kurt D says...


I understand how you feel. I've been doing all of the diet,
exercise and meditation stuff for years, and still wear size
33 jeans, but my BP is still high. Nobody knows why. It's
called "essential hypertension", meaning that there's no
known cause, and no known cure. Actually, heavy smoking for
a number of years may have done me in, even though it's been
almost 20 years since I quit.

Some types of medication are dirt cheap - diuretics, for
example - but they do require regular doctor visits and lab
tests to make sure your chemistry doesn't get out of whack,
and to make sure they're working on the BP.

Also, there actually is such a thing as "secondary
hyptertension", which is caused by an identifiable and
possibly curable disorder. That would be another reason to
see a doctor even though this would be a long shot.

The guy who figures out how to cure the cause of essential
hypertension will own the world, medically. Nobel Prize
and lots of money. Until then, we're left with these
medications. And by the way, they aren't "a waste of time"
because treating the symptom may well prevent the problems
high BP causes - until they figure it all out.

bob cardone

Curious,

Are you a Doctor?

Bob

ralphyde

Kurt, please read my post of Aug 2; "Easy Cure for High Blood
Pressure" on soc.senior.health+fitness.
I just reduced my blood pressure from your levels to 115 70 with a 10
day purified water fast. Read the book, Fasting and Eating for Health:
A Medical Doctor's Program for Conquering Disease, by Joel Fuhrman
M.D. for the medical background. You're right that meds only treat the
symptoms, not the cause, which is usually the buildup of
atherosclerotic plaque in the blood vessels. My understanding is that
while fasting, the body actually scavenges this plaque from the
vessels for fuel, cleaning them out naturally, and thus the lowering
of the blood pressure is a permanent cure, unless or until bad eating
clogs them up again. See the reviews for this book at:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ch.../-/031218719X/
and read my do***ented experience from my recent fast, noted above.
This is an easy cure! and cheap too, but most doctors don't even tell
you about it. Mine was supportive.
Best,
Ralph Hyde

mxsmanic

Bob Cardone writes:

No, are You?

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brad

Kurt,

The "DASH" diet might help a little. You need meds, the sooner the
better. Your high BP is damaging your arteries and putting you at
high risk. You're in the "denial" phase - perfectly normal. Get over
it before it's too late. Your exercise is pushing your BP even higher
- you want a BP of 120/80.

mxsmanic

Brad Sheppard writes:


Exaggerations like this reduce compliance. High BP needs to be reduced,
but implying that someone is going to drop dead this week if it isn't
fixed is clearly hyperbole and makes the entire claim of
hypertension-is-bad that much easier to dismiss.

High blood pressure is associated with significantly increased risk of
several types of health problems, mainly cardiovascular. The higher it
is, the greater the risk. But people do not normally stroke out because
their BP was 160/110 for six months. It's a more gradual (and
insidious) process, not an emergency (unless BP is really, really high,
of course).

Smoking is associated with even worse things, but nobody smoking today
is likely to drop dead tomorrow, next month, or even five years from
now. Panic is not the answer.

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ralphyde

I suggest you all read the book, Fasting and Eating for Health: A
Medical Doctor's Program for Conquering Disease, by Joel Fuhrman, M.D.
It is fully do***ented with studies and clinical results. He convinced
me, and now my blood pressure is steady at 115 70 two weeks after my
10 day fast on purified water. If I continue to eat properly, I am
convinced it will stay at that level.
Here are the do***ented results of my fast, which I recorded for my
doctor on my Marshall 80. I am not a medical professional, but actual


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ch.../-/031218719X/
Then, perhaps, know-it-alls like hawki63 might (though I doubt it)
open their minds to new possibilities.
But for anyone with high blood pressure, I suggest that a ten day
fasting experience will convince you. It worked for me. But read this
book first. What have you got to lose but your meds? I'm 65 years old,
in otherwise good health, take no medications.

Here's my personal record of the fast:
Date time bl.prs.pulse weight

7-8-03 7:50a 163 97 57 165
before 7:56a 148 90 54
fasting 9:41a 154 94 57
1:13p 172 103 54
1:15p 154 99 57
3:50p 161 102 57

7-9-03 9:01a 154 97 57
first 9:02a 145 95 57
day of 2:40p 151 91 57
fast 3:00p 158 102 58
6:00p 145 90 59
10pm 149 92 60

7-10-03 10:10a 164 98 62 164
day 2 10:12a 141 95 64
10:13a 139 92 61
12:35p 141 84 56
4:50p 147 90 65
6:45p 151 90 65

7-11-03 9:25a 134 78 78 162
day 3 9:30a 130 85 77
9:35a 142 79 72
11:45a 148 88 74
4pm 145 74 53
8:30p 147 86 51

7-12-03 9:55a 133 79 60 160
day 4 10am 131 81 57
2:55p 132 83 67
5:05p 127 78 67
6pm 129 73 59
10:20p 141 88 61

7-13-03 9:40a 132 84 54 159
day 5 1pm 128 82 64
2:20p 134 76 58
6pm 141 75 60
7:50p 115 59 58
8pm 109 62 59

7-14-03 11:05a 127 82 63 157
day 6 12:30p 130 85 67
2:45p 120 70 62
6:20p 134 84 64
6:30p 121 79 67
8:40p 128 74 58

7-15-03 10:15a 125 79 66 155
day 7 12:50 136 87 63
4pm 134 80 72
6pm 121 82 70
7:30p 133 87 63

7-16-03 9am 131 84 76 154
day 8 11:26a 118 67 61
11:27a 125 70 62
5:30p 130 78 61
8:30p 127 76 49

7-17-03 9:30a 127 85 62 153
day 9 1:30p 121 76 52
5:05p 122 71 50
8pm 124 77 53

7-18-03 10:50a 130 84 68 152
day 10 10:51a 117 82 73
Broke fast at 1:30pm with watermelon and orange juice
2pm 117 75 56
6:30p 126 82 59

7-19-03 10am 124 79 64 152
day 11 12noon 127 85 77
2pm 122 72 66
first bowel movement at 3pm.
6:30p 121 72 65

7-20-03 11am 121 73 73 152
day 12 4:25p 109 62 65
6:30p 122 77 65

7-21-03 11:15a 114 70 88* after some activity
day 13 2:30p 115 70 60
5pm 107 69 60

7-22-03 9:45a 129 78 59 154
day 14 9:50a 122 75 57
12noon 112 67 59
2:30p 113 71 59

7-23-03 8:55a 120 88 66
day 15 11:30a 122 73 57
1:15a 106 69 56
6:25p 113 69 58

7-24-03 9:15a 118 84 68 155
day 16 10:45a 120 69 56
12:45 129 77 58
went to followup apptmt at 1:45 pm. My doctor declared me "cured".

Since then, I've taken an occasional reading and they've all been
around
115 70. I've changed my diet to fruits, vegetables, nuts, and grains.
Best,
Ralph Hyde

mxsmanic

Ralph writes:


That has only been a couple of days. We'll see how it looks as the
months pass.

I've noticed a drop in BP when fasting, but it doesn't seem to be very
durable unless you continue with a similar light diet and/or lose weight
(the latter is quite effective, based on my own data).

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