bob

....and one that can't spell. That's Hippocratic Oath.

dr. andrew b. chung, md/phd

That does not sound low-fat to me. Thumbing through the Atkin's recipes, I
also see a lot of diary products which you neglect to describe.

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

1024bytes

I don't know if you know this, but U.S. doctors damned angioplasty for
a very long time. There were no studies. Doctors just didn't like it.
And it fell out of favor here. Meanwhile, in Europe, they started
looking into it. Pretty soon, it became an everyday procedure. About
that time, U.S. doctors became interested again. Now, it's an everyday
procedure here. The same thing appears to be happening with certain
other procedures, such as EECP. I have a cardiologist who felt that
Atkins, given my cholesterol (with Zocor) was terrific for me and says
he recommends it to patients who need to lose weight all the time.

I wonder why it appears you are not particularly familiar with the
difference between the Atkins weight loss diet and the Atkins
maintenance diet. I think you might be surprised what you find if you
look into the latter. Also, Atkins describes a lower fat version of
the weight loss diet for those whose cholesterol is high....it
involves more chicken and fish and less fatty meat, yellow cheese,
etc. So simply describing the Atkins diet as a bacon diet is careless
and reckless and incorrect.

On your issue of studies: I believe the fact that nutritionists and
doctors have never been willing to study the Atkins diet, despite the
fact that it has been there to study since (what?) 1972 (the articles
I sent you reflect this, by the way) shows the same closed-mindness. I
understand that medicine cannot race into adoption of every fad.
That's not science. But medicine cannot afford to condemn what it does
not know about. To do so is not science.

On the issue of working out vs. dieting: It would be true to say that
I have known people who have worked out for a year and got in fairly
good shape, and then quit. Does that mean working out doesn't work?
Hardly. It means discipline is needed to remain in shape. The same is
true at meal time. If a person once used the Atkins diet to lose
weight and then starts back with the same ol', same ol', and gains the
weight back, that doesn't show that Atkins doesn't work. It shows the
person lacks discipline.

dr. andrew b. chung, md/phd

Why do you think Dr. Atkins was a hypocrite?

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

1024bytes

Geesh, I didn't say it was low fat. I'll quarrel when it's necessary
but I think you've simply misread me or misquoted me. The Atkins diet
is what it is...a weight loss phase and a maintenance phase. I wonder
if you think an obese person is safer maintaining their overweight
condition, or losing the weight and then moving to a much healthier
maintenance.

variations on mu

I bow to your expertise in judging idiots born from your own lifelong
battle, and personal knowledge, of the exact requirements for idiocy.
<curtsy>

jc der koenig

You're an idiot and a quack. There's no way you should be giving any type of
medical advice. That's why you don't have access to a hospital, and why you
were fired in Florida. This is also why you troll usenet for unsuspecting
"patients". I've also heard that you bought your credentials on the
internet. Shame on you.

variations on mu

I don't know of any doctor that believes everyone can lose weight on
that type of diet. Every doctor I know of would agree that
overconsumption is the major factor in weight gain in healthy folks.

dr. andrew b. chung, md/phd

Where are those extra calories coming from (rhetorical question)?

Why does food (tasteless or not) have to be the center of one's life (another rhetorical)?


What do you believe are the true effects of Atkins?


How tall are you?


I don't recall reading that claim anywhere in this thread.

I looked there and did not see links to the actual studies mentioned.


One that will allow folks to reach and maintain their near-ideal weight.


Do you *really* want me to?
Think about it.

Exercise is not dieting. Actual studies looking at obesity and weight loss have
shown that exercise is not essential for losing weight and that exercise by
itself rarely effects weight loss.

Simply making a point.

If you had grown up on rice, you probably wouldn't not have a problem with
eating that lifelong.

No I am not suggesting you go on a "rice" diet. Just illustrating my point
regarding the link between carbs and obesity.

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

jamie

I naturally ate fairly close to Atkins' maintenance, and never had a
weight problem, until my late thirties, when I was put on a low-fat high
carb diet because of familial hypercholesterolemia, along with 3 x week
aerobic classes. In 5 years I gained almost 45 pounds (usually eating
less than two pounds of food a day, mind you, but I'm quite short).
During that period, my HDL dropped from around 60 to around 15, and
total cholesterol climbed from the high 200s into the low 400s.

On low carb, I was able to drop the weight and maintain, and although
my cholesterol numbers are not considered good, it went back down to
where it was before low-fat made it worse, and the HDL went back up.

--
jamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com)

"There's a seeker born every minute."