nathan jessup <>

Bruce, I do wish you would get your head on straight and not bring
this issue up because when you make these charges you pollute the
newsgroup with more "Naglerisms."

Since you are unable to find that which you don't want to. I took 5
minutes of my time to accomplish this for you. Unfortunately we'll
likely see you claiming nothing took place. You really need to stop
being an enabler. And as I have said before, his anger is misguided.
When you and he discuss your next transparent ploy in e-mail, be sure
he is aware of that because I have no idea, personally, what he is
talking about. I am rather amused at his compulsion and as a human
being with feeling, I do think he needs to find some help somewhere.

Take note of the last one. There well could be a current investigation
of an innocent man whom he has called a "disabled pig." It won't
affect me and that is the truly sad part. He thinks he has struck pay
dirt ...AGAIN... and the well will be empty.

Nate

From: Stephen Nagler <nagler@tinn.com>
Newsgroups: alt.support.tinnitus
Subject: Re: Tinnitus - SS - and deleted posts
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:58:55 GMT

................

There's a difference. A *HUGE* difference.

I never acted.

My "Letter to the Judge" post was a response to a letter-writing
campaign that he had already initiated. He had already sent out
numerous letters.

But I never sent out the "Letter to the Judge." And I told him I
never sent it out. And more than that, I apologized to him privately
and him and this board publicly for even posting such a thing.

His response? A coordinated campaign to destroy my reputation and my
life. Countless letters. Countless phone calls. Countless lies and
half truths. Quotes totally out of context for the express purpose of
putting me in the worse possible light. And Yoli's attempt to get my
license revoked? All choreographed by Conlon. How do I know?
Because as luck would have it, Conlon called the Ge****a Medical Board
investigator on his cell phone when the man happened to be in my
office. Conlon is no more disabled than Jim Chinnis. Conlon has
tinnitus and a number of other very unpleasant maladies. No question
about that. But disabled? If this man were a project manager for a
five and dime, the company would be in the Fortune 500 in a year. ..................

.....................

The difference is that I never *DID* anything to harm him. He, on the
other hand, has totally devoted two years of his life to harming me.

smn
************************************************** ** Then:
From: Stephen Nagler <nagler@tinn.com>
Newsgroups: alt.support.tinnitus
Subject: Re: Tinnitus - SS - and deleted posts
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:03:07 GMT

...............

A two-year campaign against me and my family by a very capABLE person
who has defrauded the government (IMO) is enough for me to request an
investigation. Whether the government pursues it is not up to me. In
Lix's case, the government pursued. In Conlon's case - who knows. ..................

...............
They are brothers under the skin. ..................


..................
And Conlon actually acts where Lix only threatened. ...............

..................
He is a fraud - in my opinion. And you are an enabler. ...............


................
Not taking any sort of low swipe at you. Just commenting that you are biased. ...............


...............
I am not going to get into a pissing match with a disabled person. My
heart goes out to you in that regard. All I am saying is that in my
opinion Conlon has committed fraud against the US government -
unfairly laying claim to taking that taxpayer money you referred to
above. Was I fully prepared to let things lie? Sure. But after two
years Conlon's of demonstrating how ABLE he is (in my opinion), I have
decided to do something about it.

I have decided something else - I have decided that I am through
talking about it.
smn ************************************************** *********
From: Stephen Nagler <nagler@tinn.com>
Newsgroups: alt.support.tinnitus
Subject: Re: Tinnitus - SS - and deleted posts
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:39:38 GMT
On 29 Aug 2003 13:29:18 GMT, sufein@aol.comnospam (Susan Fein) wrote:


.................

That will be for the courts to consider if the government decides to
pursue a fraud case against Conlon.

We saw the same thing with Lix. Nobody thought the (Canadian)
government would take it seriously - until he was arrested in front of
his wife and children.

The government is LOOKING for excuses to pursue Internet harrassment
issues. They now have a whole division devoted to it.

I understand and respect your bias in this whole affair - you should
understand it too.

smn

william nunn

If this was all orchestrated by Conlon, and can be proved, I will apologise
for any acridity which I generated towards Dr Nagler.

jmo

<If this was all orchestrated by Conlon, and can be proved, I will
apologise
for any acridity which I generated towards Dr Nagler.>

Oh, Good Christ, WIlliam. What are you on about? Nothing was ever
orchestrated by Conlon!

Nagler is a mere disgusting piece of filth that should be put out to
pasture for God's sake!

JMO

Not to mention all the smarmy comments about "helping Steve find a
job". Why would anyone need to help him find a job if they weren't
implying something was up with his disability benefits? No one
mentioned it but Nagler. Nagler said he was going to make it his
"project" to find Steve a job.

And while we are at it, I have known a number of people that have
qualified either permanently or temporarily for disability. For the
most part they are decent people that would much rather be working
than not be able to work because of their physical or mental
limitations. The most recent of which just passed away last week
after two years with stomach cancer.

She spent the year that she was on disability planning her funeral,
selling her house, saying goodbye to her friends, giving away her
clothing and other possessions and finding someone to raise her 10
year old daughter because she was a single mother with no family in
this country. I'm reminded of it because I'm watching the Yankees
game and the last time I heard from her was a week before her death.
She was in the hospice and said "the nurses are teaching me about
baseball--I finally have the time to learn about baseball."

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport

William,

If Conlon is disabled he should be livid that someone with no
connection to his case and no idea of his physical condition
would threaten to make it his "project" to get his benefits
investigated out of spite. All we have is people speculating whether
or not someone is "Conlon" on ast. What could easily be taking place
is that Conlon is living his life and minding his own business and has
no idea that people making these threats.

These same folks speculated that I was Mary, Yoli, Kelly and whomever
else suited their purpose at the time. It is hard to tell when they
mean it or when they are "crying wolf".

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport

brucemeyerz

God I wish you felt that way.
Look what you've done with ast. This newsgroup was one of Susan
Moreland's
legacies, Conlon. After how much she cared for you. Reached out and
helped
you. Right here in this newsgroup. I remember how close you were. I
remember how her death devastated you. You and she were so close. You
know how much
she loved this newsgroup and the good work she had done, the countless
people who found help on ast.
Now you've taken ast and turned it into a weapon to use against your
enemy
Stephen Nagler. I can not believe what you have done to try to satisfy
your vengeance. Hasn't helped you any has it? Even with your
supporters the
horrible feeling inside you is still there. Your vengeance still
drives your life and Nagler is still here. After all this time he is
still here.

I don't sit in defense of Stephen Nagler but I do for ast. Every
distortion,
lie and act of hatred which is engaged against Nagler in ast only
diminishes
the newsgroup and works against your campaign. People are not so
stupid to
see through your deceptions and the deception of sadistic OCD driven
trolls
which continually attack along side you. You know damn well that my
aim has
been to revive this newsgroup into a resourse of help and information.
Not to
clear the way to make it safe for Nagler to run his corruptions.

You misled me by giving me the search words "Chistmas In August."

Nope. I think his handling and bullying of you was way out of line
and disgraceful. You could have sued him and most likely won.
But after these years of unbridled vengeance you have
shown yourself to be no better, and for that matter, probably worse.
Look how you pay back the ones who have cared and helped you,
such as Susan Moreland.

You really need to stop

I haven't emailed him for months. Until today. And you really have to
stop
your vengeance and give back Susan's dream.

I really can't take much more of the ugliness in this age old flame
war between
these two jerks. It's a beautiful happy world out there. And when I'm
out there I rarely hear my tinnitus. Murray is right.
God bless you Murray.
God bless you Susan Moreland.

Bruce

nathan jessup <>

On 22 Oct 2003 01:01:25 -0700, brucemeyerz@yahoo.com (BruceMeyerz)

Bruce, I have often advised people to kill filter all "the boys." As
to "what you've done" you grant me more power than I possess and
presume my residency to be greater than it is. If people kill filter
this address and don't respond, well that makes it a monologue, now
doesn't it?

You are very confused as to what is going on. And I'm sorry, but many
things in life are on a "need to know" basis. And since I don't want a
Fatwa declared on me [I don't think Muslims like me these days as the
Koran is NOT perfect], no one needs to know who I am or who posts with
this account. It's really that simple.

I can understand your confusion after the weekend where we witnessed
foaming at the mouth leading then to Thorazine like induced postings.

Here is something previously posted [by me?] that should explain to
any lurkers what the problem has been, remains, and will likely
continue to be until someone keeps their many promises.

Now, after posting for a while and stirring the pot as "Oat Willy" I
think you should also accept responsibility if you feel this forum has
been harmed. Now don't go apologizing on my accord. I don't care. But
in reality, there is only one person that has harmed this forum, and
you do know that I'm right. There is a catalyst for a chemical
reaction, isn't there? That would not be me.

Nate

P.S. I will be offline Thursday through late Monday night. I just
thought you might want to know. You and the resident Jesse Jackson
shake down artist can have your fun.


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(1) This is an UN-moderated "forum" and anyone can say anything they
damn well please and here's absolutely nothing you can do about it.
There are no RULES here. If you prefer a restricted atmosphere, there
are plenty of other places you can go.

(2) Blue, Yoli, and whoever else are NOT the problem here, and never
have been.

We are simply against a lot of the garbage that has been allowed to
proliferate here. The answer to peace on AST is very simple. When Nag
leaves, as he has promised to do MANY times, order will be restored
here. Until that happens, there will be no peace here. No spewing of
garbage and complex rhetoric by Nag's hired troll will change that.

need more details?

Good advice for anyone "not" familiar with what is happening on a.s.t.
is to refrain from jumping in and posting at random.

The reason there is turmoil here is because a number of us didn't like
treatment being shoved down our throats by some so-called
"professionals", and the disabled being told they were not desiring to
get better cause they didn't try every "reasonable treatment."

Guess who gets to define reasonable treatment? These so-called
"professionals" toss around "success" stories and none of the data
they spew comes from real life studies. They call this "science" and
in reality it is garbage. They told the disabled that if they didn't
try every reasonable treatment, they should not get disability
benefits. Plus, these so-called "professionals" have zero compassion,
and simply aren't decent human beings. Some of us keep pointing
that out. When they leave permanently and forever, this turmoil on
alt.support.tinnitus will stop.

The biggest trouble maker, Nagler - has promised to leave "many"
times. He lied. He's back. And that's why you see what you do and it's
not going to stop till Nagler and his minions are gone. They have worn
out their welcome and harm far more than they help.

*NAGLER* to someone with tinnitus who disagreed with him about TRT:'
You are going to rot in hell for eternity with your ears screaming at
100 dB, but not before your buddies in the penal institution into
which you are undoubtedly headed knock your teeth out and then over
andover and over again teach you the only thing your vile mouth is
good for'

*NAGLER* to someone asking about what jobs he tried to perform for
income during his one year in bed:"I'm finished answering your
questions. And I'm finished trying to help and provide insight on this
board. Now go to hell, Jack."

*NAGLER* speaking to a woman about a subject they disagreed on: "You
are a horrible woman, [name withheld]."

*NAGLER* to someone who announced he had received Social Security
benefits: "You irresponsible bastard. Go get a job."

*NAGLER* speaking of tinnitus disability: "But tinnitus in and of
itself does not make you disabled to the extent that you cannot find
some employment somewhere. And if you can do that, you ain't disabled
enough according to the US government to get a free ride, however
meager that free ride might be."

*NAGLER* responding to a post by someone tried to help explain the
Social Security process:" [name withheld] is spiritually dead by his
own hand, folks"

*NAGLER* leaving - again - in 1999: "Either way, I'm out of this
place."

Dr. Stephen Nagler was banned from participating on the Tinnitus
Support Message Board due to irreconcilable differences over board
policy and repeated violations of posted rules. This ban was the
result of a unanimous vote by 11 administrators from five different
countries.

************************************************** **

paul

Bruce, you are spot on in this observation.

Where you err is in thinking that a reasonable point
will be considered by an unreasonable mind. This guy
is not about reasonable discourse ... he has an agenda
that is not going to change.

Ironic as it may be, your heartfelt plea only energizes
him for more of doing what he does.

IMO.
Paul

sonny

A disabled man posting inappropiately on the internet ! Witch ! Witch
! Burn the Witch ! Look Martin Von Buffalo is an ignorant ass who has
said maney inappropiate things in this newsgroup that he would not
dare say in public face to face conversations. He would get his ass
whupped unless he was packing and I doubt that. The pics that been
showing up here show him with some kids on stage, probly his and he's
probly a good dad. He ain't carrying any heat. I guess the point of
this is kinda to say I think a lot of you have lost the
point, I think ??? The name of this group is alt.support.tinnitus . If
we examine the title closely we see the word support. Support is the
thought that should crop up first ya think ? Now a few of you are
going to be thinking he's preaching to the choir or who is this
asshole ? You maybe the choir and I may be an asshole but that does
not release responsibility from you and your part. I am guilty also of
polluting this newsgroup at times.
So what is the solution ? Focus me thinks. The running argument
here for the past fews years needs to be settled, probly in court,
with an audience which would please a few egos in a strange way.
Secondly, there are a few moderate people on this board and I think
they need to speak up more for the interest of support. It is my
opinion that if you post here you have a responsibility and moral
obligation to approach this board in a certain light. What is that
light to you ? A long time ago in a land far, far, away this board was
a good board. That is old history, it is gone. Let new history begin,
with appropiate thought flowing for the needs OF THOSE WHO SUFFER OUR
AFFLICTION AND NEED US. Quell your thoughts quickly please. Just think
about what I said. Think about how you used to be, in your early
stages of T, confused and wandering. They wander in here now and they
run. You know they do. Were do they go ? Were they our responsibility
?
This newsgroup is flame central. This newsgroup is almost completely
polarized.
Almost. I'm rambling more, the coffee's wearing off. Give my scattered
thoughts a little time in your beaner. Tomorrow we can be cool and
angry. Today lets think about obligations and actions to further the
cause of support.

Sonny

conlonsock watch

conlonsock ("You are confusing me with someone who cares what you say")
poked his head out from under the bridge:-

<flush>I will be offline Thursday through late Monday night<flush>

if we got up a collection could u stretch it a bit?

LOL!!!

Cheers hic