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1 14th March 07:36
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Hi Cogge,

It's our puritanical system, Paxil doesn't make you high so they don't care
that it's addictive. On the other hand, how many severely ill people in
hospitals get inadequate pain treatment nowdays- it's a lot I know. I think
that's because the opiates usually induce pleasant highs.

JMHO,
Maggie
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2 14th March 07:36
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<< Subject: Re: Amineptine (Survector) is back!
From: "Magpie" MaggieWeems@cs.com
Date: Thu, Jan 15, 2004 9:19 PM
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Hi Cogge,

It's our puritanical system, Paxil doesn't make you high so they don't care
that it's addictive. On the other hand, how many severely ill people in
hospitals get inadequate pain treatment nowdays- it's a lot I know. I think
that's because the opiates usually induce pleasant highs.

JMHO,
Maggie

Amineptine is NOT back. At least not in the USA. It might still be around in
some countries like Brazil but not in the USA. In the USA, amineptine is a
controlled substance regulated by the DEA. Possession of it is illegal and
trying to order it into the country from somewhere else is the essence of
stupidity. First, you are breaking the law importing a controlled substance
thats not FDA approved in the USA for depression. Secondly, you have no idea if
what youre really getting is amineptine...their are plenty of counterfeit drugs
coming in from overseas.

As far as amineptine's effectiveness, being a dopamine reuptake inhibitor its
got a good reputation for severe depression. Probably the closest thing to it
thats ever been marketed in the USA was something called nomifensine, back in
the eighties. Nomifense was another dopamine reuptake inhibitor that was
supposed to be real good for severe, retarded, melancholic depression as well
as for TRD. Sadly it was pulled by the FDA due to it being linked to a rare
blood disorder that was lethal.

Its sad that there seems to be a large portion of the depression community that
only seems to respond well to dopaminergic antidepressants. But the only thing
dopaminergic to any real degree in the USA are the MAOIs and stimulants, which
are problematic in usage and many Pdocs dont like prescribing. There is a
desperate need IMO for dopaminergic ADs in the USA, as thats all some seem to
do well on (Im one of those people).

Dopaminergic ADs are also good for improving cognition, which is very important
for returning severe depressives to work after their concentration and memory
has been dulled down by severe depression.

Hopefully, (fingers crossed) the selegiline transdermal MAOI patch will be FDA
approved soon. I read the FDA will make a decision on the selegiline patch in
early February, which is just a few weeks away. If its approved, it will be the
first truly dopaminergic AD in the USA that isnt a controlled substance or
***bersome to use (no MAOI diet). This is the second time Somerset
pharmaceuticals has brought the MAOI patch up for FDA approval, last time it
was shot down. Lets hope this time it makes it thru, as it could truly make a
difference for a lot of severe depressives who need a dopamine AD.

In the meantime, the brave can take oral MAOIs and if your Pdoc will agree to
it, you can get stimulants rxed. A few depressives seem to do OK on dopamine
agonists like mi****x or bromocriptine, but a dopamine agonist is not the same
thing as a dopamine reuptake inhibitor or an MAOI. A lot of depressives cant
tolerate dopamine agonists.


Eric
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3 18th March 14:21
comm12789
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Default Amineptine (Survector) is back! - legal status (prozac)


Actually you're mistaken about a few things regarding amineptine.
You're right that it was never available in the U.S., since Servier
never applied for FDA approval of the drug. For whatever reasons,
during it's life in Europe from 1978-1999, Servier did not attempt to
bring it to the U.S. Maybe they knew the FDA wouldn't approve it, or
maybe it wasn't commerically viable for them, who knows?

But you're very wrong that amineptine is a controlled substance. It
is NOT regulated by the DEA, though it falls under the FDA's
jurisdiction as a pharmaceutical intended for human consumption. It IS
NOT scheduled or controlled. As it was never available in the U.S.,
and abuse issues never arose in the U.S., the DEA never had reason to
place it on its list of controlled substances. So in fact it IS legal
to posses in the U.S. The FDA/DEA are aware that it is classified as
an antidepressant, but nothing more. So you DO NOT need a
prescription to legally posses it.

Also, under DEA pharmaceutial importantion guidelines, it is legal for
U.S. citizens to import it in up to 3 month quantities for personal
use. It is legal to important any drug that is not available in the
U.S. for personal use in 3 month quantities if the drug is not
scheduled (controlled) in the U.S.

As for whether or not the amineptine (or most drugs) available on the
internet is counterfeit, that can rather easily be determined.
Medication in original foil blister packing is nearly impossible to
counterfeit. Also, there are a good number of Europeans around who
had been using the medication up until 1999 and beyond and are
familiar with the effects of the drug. They would be able to tell if
it were authentic or not, and would certainly post to that effect if
they found counterfeit amineptine being sold.

If one has been through a number of medications, one also becomes
adept as discerning their effects. I would imagine you could tell the
difference between prozac, amineptine, and an amphetamine. I
certainly can.

Saying that it is "the essence of stupidity" for people to try to
important a unique antidepressant just because it is only available in
a foreign country and not approved by the FDA just makes you sound
ignorant and insulting. Do you truely beleive that the FDA knows best
on all matters? And do you think people are so stupid as to not be
able to determine on their own rather medications they buy on the
internet and the sources they use are legitmate? Your blanket
statement, "their (sic) are plenty of counterfeit drugs coming in from
overseas" makes you sound like you have been caught up in
pharmaceutical company and FDA propaganda.


Apologies if I sound rude, but I take this somewhat personally as I
have spent a lot of time and energy on improving my mental health and
filtering through information and sources on the internet. I must
admit I found your comments somewhat condecending. The source I
recently used for amineptine proved reliable, and I feel confident
that the medication was authentic. It was immediately obvious to me
that it was different from other meds I had tried, and I had no reason
to question rather is was counterfeit. Though it seems to work well
for me so far, I would encourage anyone to experiment as carefully but
as thoroughly as possible with a variety of mediations to find what
works best for them. I guess I found it particularly annoying that
you would discourage people from trying a medication just because it
was not FDA approved and available from a foreign source.

Alex
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4 18th March 14:23
comm12789
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Default Amineptine (Survector) is back! (prozac)


Actually you're mistaken about a few things regarding amineptine.
You're right that it was never available in the U.S., since Servier
never applied for FDA approval of the drug. For whatever reasons,
during it's life in Europe from 1978-1999, Servier did not attempt to
bring it to the U.S. Maybe they knew the FDA wouldn't approve it, or
maybe it wasn't commerically viable for them, who knows?

But you're very wrong that amineptine is a controlled substance. It
is NOT regulated by the DEA, though it falls under the FDA's
jurisdiction as a pharmaceutical intended for human consumption. It IS
NOT scheduled or controlled. As it was never available in the U.S.,
and abuse issues never arose in the U.S., the DEA never had reason to
place it on its list of controlled substances. So in fact it IS legal
to posses in the U.S. The FDA/DEA are aware that it is classified as
an antidepressant, but nothing more. So you DO NOT need a
prescription to legally posses it.

Also, under DEA pharmaceutial importantion guidelines, it is legal for
U.S. citizens to import it in up to 3 month quantities for personal
use. It is legal to important any drug that is not available in the
U.S. for personal use in 3 month quantities if the drug is not
scheduled (controlled) in the U.S.

As for whether or not the amineptine (or most drugs) available on the
internet is counterfeit, that can rather easily be determined.
Medication in original foil blister packing is nearly impossible to
counterfeit. Also, there are a good number of Europeans around who
had been using the medication up until 1999 and beyond and are
familiar with the effects of the drug. They would be able to tell if
it were authentic or not, and would certainly post to that effect if
they found counterfeit amineptine being sold.

If one has been through a number of medications, one also becomes
adept as discerning their effects. I would imagine you could tell the
difference between prozac, amineptine, and an amphetamine. I
certainly can.

Saying that it is "the essence of stupidity" for people to try to
important a unique antidepressant just because it is only available in
a foreign country and not approved by the FDA just makes you sound
ignorant and insulting. Do you truely beleive that the FDA knows best
on all matters? And do you think people are so stupid as to not be
able to determine on their own rather medications they buy on the
internet and the sources they use are legitmate? Your blanket
statement, "their (sic) are plenty of counterfeit drugs coming in from
overseas" makes you sound like you have been caught up in
pharmaceutical company and FDA propaganda.


Apologies if I sound rude, but I take this somewhat personally as I
have spent a lot of time and energy on improving my mental health and
filtering through information and sources on the internet. I must
admit I found your comments somewhat condecending. The source I
recently used for amineptine proved reliable, and I feel confident
that the medication was authentic. It was immediately obvious to me
that it was different from other meds I had tried, and I had no reason
to question rather is was counterfeit. Though it seems to work well
for me so far, I would encourage anyone to experiment as carefully but
as thoroughly as possible with a variety of mediations to find what
works best for them. I guess I found it particularly annoying that
you would discourage people from trying a medication just because it
was not FDA approved and available from a foreign source.

Alex
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5 23rd March 22:19
deepsand562
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Default Amineptine (Survector) is back! - legal status (depression prozac serotonin)


<< Subject: Re: Amineptine (Survector) is back! - legal status
From: comm12789@hotmail.com (Alex)
Date: Fri, Jan 16, 2004 7:08 PM
Message-id: <664f0b82.0401161508.5470d70c@posting.google.com >

if

drugs


Actually you're mistaken about a few things regarding amineptine.
You're right that it was never available in the U.S., since Servier
never applied for FDA approval of the drug. For whatever reasons,
during it's life in Europe from 1978-1999, Servier did not attempt to
bring it to the U.S. Maybe they knew the FDA wouldn't approve it, or
maybe it wasn't commerically viable for them, who knows?

But you're very wrong that amineptine is a controlled substance. It
is NOT regulated by the DEA, though it falls under the FDA's
jurisdiction as a pharmaceutical intended for human consumption. It IS
NOT scheduled or controlled. As it was never available in the U.S.,
and abuse issues never arose in the U.S., the DEA never had reason to
place it on its list of controlled substances. So in fact it IS legal
to posses in the U.S. The FDA/DEA are aware that it is classified as
an antidepressant, but nothing more. So you DO NOT need a
prescription to legally posses it.

Also, under DEA pharmaceutial importantion guidelines, it is legal for
U.S. citizens to import it in up to 3 month quantities for personal
use. It is legal to important any drug that is not available in the
U.S. for personal use in 3 month quantities if the drug is not
scheduled (controlled) in the U.S.

As for whether or not the amineptine (or most drugs) available on the
internet is counterfeit, that can rather easily be determined.
Medication in original foil blister packing is nearly impossible to
counterfeit. Also, there are a good number of Europeans around who
had been using the medication up until 1999 and beyond and are
familiar with the effects of the drug. They would be able to tell if
it were authentic or not, and would certainly post to that effect if
they found counterfeit amineptine being sold.

If one has been through a number of medications, one also becomes
adept as discerning their effects. I would imagine you could tell the
difference between prozac, amineptine, and an amphetamine. I
certainly can.

Saying that it is "the essence of stupidity" for people to try to
important a unique antidepressant just because it is only available in
a foreign country and not approved by the FDA just makes you sound
ignorant and insulting. Do you truely beleive that the FDA knows best
on all matters? And do you think people are so stupid as to not be
able to determine on their own rather medications they buy on the
internet and the sources they use are legitmate? Your blanket
statement, "their (sic) are plenty of counterfeit drugs coming in from
overseas" makes you sound like you have been caught up in
pharmaceutical company and FDA propaganda.


Apologies if I sound rude, but I take this somewhat personally as I
have spent a lot of time and energy on improving my mental health and
filtering through information and sources on the internet. I must
admit I found your comments somewhat condecending. The source I
recently used for amineptine proved reliable, and I feel confident
that the medication was authentic. It was immediately obvious to me
that it was different from other meds I had tried, and I had no reason
to question rather is was counterfeit. Though it seems to work well
for me so far, I would encourage anyone to experiment as carefully but
as thoroughly as possible with a variety of mediations to find what
works best for them. I guess I found it particularly annoying that
you would discourage people from trying a medication just because it
was not FDA approved and available from a foreign source.

Alex

Alex, the reason Amineptine has been pulled from European markets is due to
reports it has physical addiction properties. I know for a fact its illegal to
possess in the USA and ordering it without a prescription from an unknown,
overseas pharmacy is the height of stupidity...and arguably a sign of mania.


Lots of drugs slip thru the US Customs...youve probably been getting lucky.
Keep doing it and one of these days a US government official of some sort (DEA,
local police, customs, etc.) will probably come knock knock knocking on your
door.

I dont doubt amineptine is effective for severe depression. I strongly believe
more emphasis should be placed on developing dopaminergic antidepressants
myself, as these serotonin drugs dont seem to help a lot of people except to
make them a little less depressed and become apathetic. But ordering amineptine
from overseas is risky biz...hope you dont get burned dude.

Eric
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6 23rd March 22:19
deepsand562
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From: comm12789@hotmail.com (Alex)
Date: Sat, Jan 17, 2004 4:38 AM
Message-id: <664f0b82.0401170038.6d6970a0@posting.google.com >

Actually you're mistaken about a few things regarding amineptine.
You're right that it was never available in the U.S., since Servier
never applied for FDA approval of the drug. For whatever reasons,
during it's life in Europe from 1978-1999, Servier did not attempt to
bring it to the U.S. Maybe they knew the FDA wouldn't approve it, or
maybe it wasn't commerically viable for them, who knows?

But you're very wrong that amineptine is a controlled substance. It
is NOT regulated by the DEA, though it falls under the FDA's
jurisdiction as a pharmaceutical intended for human consumption. It IS
NOT scheduled or controlled. As it was never available in the U.S.,
and abuse issues never arose in the U.S., the DEA never had reason to
place it on its list of controlled substances. So in fact it IS legal
to posses in the U.S. The FDA/DEA are aware that it is classified as
an antidepressant, but nothing more. So you DO NOT need a
prescription to legally posses it.

Also, under DEA pharmaceutial importantion guidelines, it is legal for
U.S. citizens to import it in up to 3 month quantities for personal
use. It is legal to important any drug that is not available in the
U.S. for personal use in 3 month quantities if the drug is not
scheduled (controlled) in the U.S.

As for whether or not the amineptine (or most drugs) available on the
internet is counterfeit, that can rather easily be determined.
Medication in original foil blister packing is nearly impossible to
counterfeit. Also, there are a good number of Europeans around who
had been using the medication up until 1999 and beyond and are
familiar with the effects of the drug. They would be able to tell if
it were authentic or not, and would certainly post to that effect if
they found counterfeit amineptine being sold.

If one has been through a number of medications, one also becomes
adept as discerning their effects. I would imagine you could tell the
difference between prozac, amineptine, and an amphetamine. I
certainly can.

Saying that it is "the essence of stupidity" for people to try to
important a unique antidepressant just because it is only available in
a foreign country and not approved by the FDA just makes you sound
ignorant and insulting. Do you truely beleive that the FDA knows best
on all matters? And do you think people are so stupid as to not be
able to determine on their own rather medications they buy on the
internet and the sources they use are legitmate? Your blanket
statement, "their (sic) are plenty of counterfeit drugs coming in from
overseas" makes you sound like you have been caught up in
pharmaceutical company and FDA propaganda.


Apologies if I sound rude, but I take this somewhat personally as I
have spent a lot of time and energy on improving my mental health and
filtering through information and sources on the internet. I must
admit I found your comments somewhat condecending. The source I
recently used for amineptine proved reliable, and I feel confident
that the medication was authentic. It was immediately obvious to me
that it was different from other meds I had tried, and I had no reason
to question rather is was counterfeit. Though it seems to work well
for me so far, I would encourage anyone to experiment as carefully but
as thoroughly as possible with a variety of mediations to find what
works best for them. I guess I found it particularly annoying that
you would discourage people from trying a medication just because it
was not FDA approved and available from a foreign source.

Alex

Ordering FDA approved drugs from overseas is one thing and safe and legal. Even
ordering something like moclobemide is safe and while Im not sure of the legal
implications, if you got caught I doubt youd get in any trouble. But amineptine
was pulled from european markets due to reports that it has abuse potential,
which makes it a no no drug here in the USA.

You better be careful...amineptine is no moclobemide or Tianeptine.

Eric
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7 31st March 17:26
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Eric,
Repeating your mantra that ordering medication from overseas is "the
height of stupidity" certainly does not make you sound reasonable or
objective. Nor does suggesting that it is a sign of "mania" for a
person to use their own judgement about what medications they wish to
try.

As to the legality, repeat that you "know for a fact that it is
illegal to possess without prescription", yet you supply no
information confirming or supporting this assertion. I know for a
fact that it is neither scheduled nor controlled in the U.S.,
therefore not illegal. Also, your suggestion that the a government
official would come knocking on one's door for ordering amineptine is
patently absurd. Even if one orders illegal pain medication, customs
merely confiscates the package and sends you a seizure notice,
requiring you to fax in a prescription to have the medication
released. They do not have any legal grounds, nor do they have reason
to bother a person ordering quanities of medication for personal
consumption. As amineptine is not even scheduled, there is no way in
the world the U.S. government would harass a citizen for ordering
something for personal use.

You say you support research on dopaminergic drugs, yet you discourage
people from taking things into their own hands and trying the one
dopaminergic drug currently available in the world? a medication
which i might add has been available for over 20 years and been used
by thousands of people. so what if less than 1 percent of the people
who bought it over the counter used more than they should. ive used
the medication myself, and can tell you that if you use more than the
recommended dosage, you just feel anxious, not manic, and not in any
better a mood. in fact, you feel worse. there were probably just a
very small number of highly unstable people who didn't know any better
and tried to take more than they should because they could tell it was
starting to make them feel better.
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