dansimon

Hi All

I read somewhere about research suggesting green, black and oolong tea can
create a strong improvement in insulin sensitivity for blood sugar control. A
google search turned up the usual hundreds of high price miracle cure
nutritional supplement web sites. The one vaugely credible looking site I saw
describing the research is below:

http://www.nal.usda.gov/ttic/tektran...000128914.html


So does anyone know more about this? Should I give up coffee and switch to tea?
Would Iced tea be as good as freshly brewed?

I am newly diagnosed as "borderline diabetic" according to my doctor with couple
of fasting glucose readings of 140 ish and an A1c of 6.2 this May. I have been
eating low carb since and getting much lower numbers.

Dan

memory

Dan... Yes your #'s! Yep! You are a diabetic...no skirtin' the isssue...
But....maybe for you it will be easier to keep those numbers in control...
That is a good thing. Many struggle with much higher numbers than
you...but, again, don't be complacent nor ignore this disease. The
disease you now share with many others.. You ARE lucky to be getting in
control before really high numbers hit you.. and before complications hit
you. But ignore this as "borderline" and complications may be a part of
your life. This is the best group to help. You may even educate your
doctor. Good luck and do yourself a favor...Continue to come here!!!!
Memory

mrbill

I saw a study recently, forget where, in which they tested concentrate
of teas and supposedly proved it to be beneficial. The catch that you
needed to drink some 30 odd cups of tea a day.

There have also been reports that coffee is bad for diabetics, and
recently one that drinkings some on 8-10 cups of coffee a day helped
prevent the onset of diabetes.

As some other folks pointed out, 2 fasting tests of 140 points to
already having diabetes. Is it possible to get a referral from your Dr
to a diabetic educator, or an endoronologist (or get a second opinion
?)

Sorry we're all dumping this on you . With diabetes the only constant
seems to be that YMMV (your mileage may vary), but there are a lot of
sources of great info, and the very good news is that depending on
your situation it can be controlled by various combinations of diet,
weight loss, exercise, and drugs (and some of us do without the
latter)


You will find that there are many many claims about this and that
which will cure, fix, help, whatever, diabetes. Perhaps eventually
there is something which will, none of us here seem to have found it,
but there are lots of people trying to get you to contribute to their
wallet.

MrBill

dansimon

Actually "borderline" was my doctor's word. When I was requested to take a
second fasting glucose test I wondered why and spent some time searching the
internet about the fasting glucose test and it's meaning. I knew before the
second test that a reading of >127 would mean a diagnosis of diabetes. I think
the doctor was trying to sugarcoat the news or she just didn't know any better.

She made me an appointment with a dietician for a couple weeks later. In the
meantime I got a meter and started learning about what diabetics should eat. I
came to the conclusion I should go low carb, bought the Atkins book and started
following it before I met the dietician. The dietician handed me an ADA phamplet
and a copy of the USDA food pyramid including the 6-11 carbs a day at the base.
I had already made up my mind to go low carb while I monitored myself and it
seems to be working pretty good so far.

Dan

al hardy

Hi Dan,
Here in the UK dieticians are almost universally naff. there might be a good
one, but I never heard of such a beast. From Sushi-Boy I`ve learned that in
the US dieticians is much better.

ADA is like Diabetes UK, it recommends high-carbing, which is totally
against any known form of logic. The USDA food pyramid I simply don`t know
about, but I personally would not take much notice, in the same way as I
ignore the MAFF (the UK equivalent of USDA).

Another ng that would be useful is alt.support.diet.low-carb, lots of good
info on Atkins, and Bernstein (which I prefer).

Whatever you choose, I wish you well.
--
Al, Melton Mowbray, UK, LADA
Control Beef Lente 1x
Low-Carb nearly Bernstein
http://www.diabetesincontrol.com
http://www.iddtinternational.org/uk

ceebee

The _logic_ is "avoid fat - so go to low fat, and compensate the less
calories intake with high carbs".

FTR: I'm not stating true or false, just answering your question.

--
CeeBee

CeeBee's Rant @ http://www.geocities.com/ceebee_2

wesley groleau

But the USDA study just mentioned _seemed_ to say
that a measurable improvement in insulin action
was found with "normal" consumption.

wesley groleau

To be more detailed:

Some kinds of fats promote heart attacks.
Diabetics who are not in good control are prone to heart attacks.
So let's tell all diabetics to avoid all fats.

Too much protein makes damaged kidneys worse.
Some diabetics have damaged kidneys.
So let's tell all diabetics to avoid protein.

Only remaining source of calories: carbohydrates.
So tell all diabetics to eat carbs.

Some carbs are worse than others.
But that research wasn't done in this country,
so don't mention that to them.

Yeah, so I'm a bitter old cynic.....
I just resent being treated like I can't figure out
which restroom to use without a medical degree.

a_beta_jester_00

That's the first I've seen of regular tea supposedly helping.

Prevention Magazine, about a year ago, ran a blurb about dandelion
root tea helping IR. I'm insulin resistant (3 hour GTT showed 'mild'
problems at 2 and 3 hours) but not yet diabetic. I was going to try
DRT but got pregnant in the interim ... I'll start drinking it later
on along with going back to the mostly-low carb mostly-diabetic
friendly diet. I 'passed' my pregnancy 3 hour GTT by a bit, but I was
higher than pre-pregnancy.

~BJ/GirlFoot

ronetta

Dan welcome to our group, Sorry you are here, but you have found the
best place to fight diabetes in this group.

Borderline diabetic is like being a little bit pregnant, You either are
or you are not, With fbgs over 126 that makes you a diabetic. I believe
that they have lowered that number/

Stay with us, ask all the questions you need to and remember our first
line of defense is testing.

Loretta

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