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1 26th May 10:46
katherine wolfe
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Hi Guys -

I've been going through the process of having caps put on some chipped front
teeth the past few weeks. What does this have to do with adrenaline, or
ADD? Let me explain.

There are different formulations of novocaine, and some have epinephrine, or
adrenaline, in them. This is to constrict the blood vessels around the
injection site to hold the anesthetic in the tissues longer. This past
visit I needed quite a bit of novocaine to get numb enough to work on, and
that meant I had quite a bit of adrenaline running through my system as
well.

I had not had any Adderall that morning, so I was pretty fuzzy going into
the dentist's office. But as I sat in the chair waiting to get numb, I felt
the same sensation of my mind slowly coming into focus as I would from the
Adderall, as the novocaine started to work.

Now that's an interesting thing. I've always been great in a crisis - put
me in a situation where normal people panic and I'm cool as a cu***ber.
When a woman was shot in front of my apartment building, for example, I
walked into the middle of a crowd of frantic people, got everybody calmed
down, got the victim calmed down, rendered first aid (not that she needed
much, it really was just a flesh wound), and had her all ready for transport
by the time the EMTs showed up. I was organized, efficient, effective,
calm, and focused. In fact, I was exactly like I am on stimulant
medication.

So, now I'm wondering - does everyone with ADD, or a significant subset of
us, respond to adrenaline in a similar way?

If people wouldn't mind weighing in, I'd be really interested to know
whether you get more focused in emergencies, or less. I I don't mean the
daily stress of a high-pressure job, but rather those sudden moments of
danger when you or another person is at risk. In those kinds of situations,
do you generally tend to hyperfocus, or panic?

Katherine
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2 26th May 10:46
morph grrl
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This is definitely an individual experience. Because I have another
condition that's comorbid with my ADHD, it will depend on the
situation. If it's something that I'm in control of or feel in control
of, then I will calm down if there is an adrenaline rush.

But if another person is in danger I can't calm down. I worry too much
about what will happen to the other person. I think, though, if I knew
how to help them and knew what to do, then it would change and I could
probably calm down.

Not knowing what to do make me really nervous.

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3 26th May 10:46
tom boland
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It is a common reaction. I was an EMT for 7 years while not on meds. Didn't
need them for that job at all.

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4 26th May 10:47
hedda
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I have noticed that similar affect although I've never had anyone
be shot in front of my house (thank God), when it comes to other people's
trauma I can remain very focused. However if it were someone I was
emotionally attached to or affected me /my life directly (I.e. my children
or my husband etc.)? Who knows they may need another squad for me. I think
you may be on the right track though with the connection.
A few years back I saw a holistic Doc (she was an iridologist) for
numerous symptoms and she gave me herbs to get my adrenal gland working
properly......
so maybe people with Add lack adrenaline in the same way a diabetic
lacks insulin?
definitely food for thought
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5 27th May 20:46
lee & cathi thomas
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I have what I think is a related question. Does anyone have any experience
with AdderallXR plus natural adrenaline? My son has been having fantastic
results with his medication academically - latest grades were 3.85, but he
had a scary experience athletically. He's a wrestler and his first match of
the season (and his first while on medication) he found he could not catch
his breath, his heart was racing, and he felt like he could not move his
legs. He was fine during practices and scrimmages so the only thing we
could attribute it to was the adrenaline from an actual match. His doctor
couldn't come up with a concrete answer, but felt it could be his own body
chemistry. It took about 2 hours for him to feel better, and he was fine
for the rest of the day. Anyone having anything similar?
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6 27th May 20:46
vashti
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Well, I've got panic disorder as well as ADHD(not boring at all<g>)
and I tend to hyperfocus *during* a crisis and panic afterwards.
Apparently this is quite common as panic comes more "easily" when
you've got time to think yourself into that state, many panic/anxiety
sufferers seem to do fine in an actual crisis.

I don't think focussing during a crisis is ADHD behaviour, just a
survival trait inherant in most humans. When we're attacked or in
danger our bodies will react: our eyes will allow more light and
detail to enter, our hearts beat faster, blood will be redirected
from non-immediate tasks like our digestive tracts to more important
things like running away or dealing withpotential injuries all in
order to give us the best chance of survival.

I don't know why some people flap around or scream in a crisis, I
think that screaming may be learned behaviour; maybe the flapping
is too.

Vashti
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7 27th May 20:46
sam ende
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yeah, it's what made me good at my job which was dealing with
challenging behaviour in autistic adolescents.

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8 27th May 20:47
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Hi, Vashti! Just dropping in for the holidays?


I don't know if I'm a "typical" person w/o ADHD, because I am, well,
unique, but I have also been in crisis situations in which I have been
so incredibly calm, clear thinking, unemotional, and focused that the
whole situation didn't feel entirely real, both as it unfolded or
afterwards.

In some cases, because my reaction was so different from the panic and
hysteria of others at the scene, I felt very, very odd about it.


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9 27th May 20:47
nknisley
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I don't know about the Novocain connection. I don't recall seeing or
hearing that discussed in connection with ADHD before.

But, in the past, ASAD has had posts from posters with ADHD who have
mentioned how well they focus/react in a crisis, to the point that
others have faulted them for their lack of emotionality.

I've sometimes wondered if the adrenaline rush that might help focus is
behind the chronic procrastination of some ADHDers: they are unable to
focus on important activities until a crisis/panic situation is reached,
when, fueled by adrenaline, they finally can take action. (But, the
whole subject of procrastination and ADHD is probably very complex,
involving more than the "thrill" of the last-minute rush, so I'm not
saying that this is the only reason for chronic procrastination by ADHDers.)

And, the focus from an adrenaline rush of high-risk activities, say,
extreme sports, would help explain why such a large percentage of
ADHDers seem to be drawn to them, when most NT's would say, "You're
crazy to do that." :-)

And, then there's the lure of high-stim jobs that certainly must produce
their share of adrenaline....


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10 27th May 20:47
vashti
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Hehe! Not really here for the holidays , but you wouldn't normally
notice me when I *am* here: I tend to read quite regularly...I just
get caught up in the reading and miss the replying bit<g>. While
I'm reading I get interrupted by "real" life or just get lost in
threads and forget the posts I read earlier that I wished to reply
to if you know what I mean.

This time I happened to be edgy enough not to read further since
I was waiting for my sister to collect me...I'm not terrifically
good at waiting funnily enough!

<kersnip>


And that would be the perfect way to survive a crisis!

Yup, I know that feeling all too well, it always surprises me since I
have been known to truly panic over "silly" things like too much noise,
the concept of running out of coffee or cigarettes or simply the physical
survival traits I mentioned earlier.


Vashti
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