hareleif

Almost ALL people of European Plague-area descent today, are suffering from
a carrier form of Lyme disease, causing their eventual mystery conditions of
health and unnecessary medical suffering that could be avoided. If you are
American of more than one generation, Scottish, Welsh, Irish, or English,
please read this entire page for your betterment, and educate your loved
ones.

The exact reason, why medical studies in the US and Europe always state that
their "control group" of "healthy" people "exhibited the same symptoms as
the sick group" is because AMERICA, 3/4 of AMERICA, all have this same
disease. Not because those symptoms are "ok by majority". We are a sick
population, and cannot see that what we call "ordinary" or "common" is not
NORMAL and HEALTHY. Must we all get our rocket science degrees to notice
that obvious fact?? Or do the rocket degreed doctors feel we shouldnt know?

Lyme Disease's bullseye rash, was the original Plague of medieval times that
wiped out 1/2 of Europe. Our legacy has been luckily preserved in the
nursery rhyme, Ring around the Rosie. This rhyme clearly depicts the
bullseye rash associated with Lyme, caused by bacteria Borrelia Burgdorferi,
which not only is exclusive to tick bites, but also to flea bites. The rest
of the rhyme, refers to an amulet of flowers thought to ward off plague, and
then the burning of bodies, falling down dead, to contain the epidemic at
the time.

It is known that the Ashkenazi (sp?) or European branch of the Jews, get
European diseases that Jews of Israel do not get. This information was
submitted to Oxford's Steven Hawkings 3 years ago, with the only visible
result of an announced "study on why the european jews get new diseases
their Israeli counterparts do not get", ignoring the entire US non-hebrew
populations for some reason. The reason is, what this note is all about,
Hereditary Lyme in Carrier state, which unfortunately fills the coffers of
the medical industry in America very nicely. Perhaps, it is financially
inconvenient to some benifitting from illness as a business, to improve the
health of such a large country.

Lyme bacteria, an oxygen-hating anaerobe, is found in the soil, where ticks
pick it up during that part of their lifecycle. In Europe, its primary
sources are both fleas, and the sheep tick, but it is possible that
mosquitos can also transmit the disease if they have previously bitten a
wild animal before biting a human being. There are known cases of Lyme from
animal scratches and animal bites as well. It flourishes in areas where
there is little ultraviolet sun, and more than normal rainfall. Ultraviolet
sun, which ceases above the latitude of Kansas, naturally kills Lyme disease
or at least keeps it in check for those affected. This matches the criteria
for "hotspots" of Lyme being in the rainiest, northernmost states, as well
as their European counterparts of Scotland, England and Ireland. It also
matches exactly, the patterns of MS, which any Lyme patient or Neurologist
can tell you, matches Lyme to a T. They are one and the same condition,
triggered by environment, diet, and lack of sun.

Lyme disease in the hereditary version, does not cause the victim to appear
ill. Instead, their immune system does not fight the bacteria, but coexists
peacefully (known as being a "carrier". ) Immune systems, created in the
presence of a foreign bacteria, cannot differentiate that the intruder does
not belong, and no defense is triggered. Defense, or "sick symptoms" are the
bulk of the freshly-bitten Lyme patient's illness. (your own body fighting
is what makes you feel so terrible). And, despite any carrier version from
European roots, a person can contract a newer variety of this bacteria,
because the bacteria evolve over time -- so if your ancestor had the 1500s
version, you can still get a current version, or a later version from a
spouse's family, etc.

However, eventually, regardless of being bitten by a tick in this life, or
in your family line, since the bacteria multiply by doubling every month
(very slow speed), by old age it is inevitable that the bacteria itself,
from diverting sugar and protein on an ongoing basis, cause the illnesses
that plague white European peoples regardless of the presence of "sick
symptom defense" or not; (i.e., in carriers)... and in the US, now any
peoples exposed to those Europeans as well. 3/4 of America has bloodlines
connected to this area of Europe where the plague struck.

It is this same carrier version of Lyme, which caused the natives of america
to sicken upon meeting the settlers, as well as the Eskimos later, the
Africans cooped up on ships with us, and present-day Amazonian tribes dying
from contact and exposure to white missionaries and scientists. Lyme
bacteria is so small, it cannot be seen under normal microscopes. This
convenient fact, is being used as an excuse by the doctors who cannot see
Lyme for what it is - an "ace in the hole" should anyone see that Lyme, The
Great Imitator as its called, is actually Lyme, the Real McCoy. The second
strategic "ace in the hole", is to purport the myth that it is incurable,
and to avoid finding a cure for the disease, to preserve the industry. This
bug is so small, that it's thought it can go thru unbroken skin, right
between cell walls, without any cut whatsoever. This implies, that simple
handshake can transmit it, and that kissing has spread it since the whites
colonized the US.

Dentists and doctors will not touch a Lyme patient without protection,
dentists in particular will not treat you unless you are "premedicated" and
on antibiotics; yet they deny this to the public. Most likely, and this is
an unpleasant subject, white exposure to countries that never saw Lyme, have
created the set of plague symptoms we identify as AIDS today. AIDS virus has
NEVER been seen or proven, per Germany studies. The US Melting Pot effect,
intermingling Euros with non-euros, explains why this phenomena has its
roots beginning in the USA.

Lyme has many names. Among its "symptoms" are ALL of the "ideopathic"
(unknown-cause) diseases that plague americans, too many to list here - it
affects the body by making sugar turn to lactic acid, which in turn can scar
the kidneys over time, irritate the bladder, damage the liver, and upset the
pancreas. Lactic acid causes muscle soreness and sensitive
intestines/cramping problems (nervous stomach). It causes diabetes, by
turning sugar immediately to lactic acid as the bacteria feed upon it.
(c6h1206) becomes 2(c3h6o3) and the bacteria borrow oxygen from the blood as
a catalyst, further enhancing their environment since they dont prefer
oxygen, and increasing fatigue. This in turn, causes a drop in sugar in the
blood, which in turn creates fatigue, muscle soreness, abdominal cramping,
sedentary disposition, and can cause depression from the lack of
sugar...difficulty concentrating, etc. Sedentary people are more likely
those born fatigued, who have nothing to compare with! By avoiding sugar,
white people's health improves. Taking baking soda daily, and monitoring
acidity like they used to do pre 1930 with litmus paper, combats this
problem by neutralizing acid levels back to desireable "neutral" state.
Other conditions it causes are female problems, birth defects,
blindness/deafness/dumbness, autism, "spasticity", MONO NUCLEOSIS, lactose
intolerance, allergies, rashes and dermatitis, spasms/facial ticks/epilepsy,
(why are facial ticks, caused by ticks, called ticks???) ...heart disease,
stroke, heart swelling, mitral valve problems, cystic fibrosis, migraines,
mild neck stiffness/meningitis, circulatory problem (from affecting the tiny
muscles controlling the valves in veins, letting blood back flow), TMJ,
facial muscle pain and general muscle tension, arthritis, rheumatism,
sinusitis, bronchitis and other similar lung conditions, what we used to
call TB, muscle soreness, attention deficit, chronic fatigue, nervous
disposition, easy clotting of the blood, high cholesterol, numbness of the
skin increasing with age, thyroid problems, etc. A person can have one or
one hundred of the subset conditions in "known" (fresh) lyme.

Lyme studies have shown 2 groups of reactions to tick bite and Lyme. The
Europeans do not sicken fast and hard, they sicken slowly and vaguely over a
long period of time, while the non-plague groups (italian, spanish, african,
etc.) sicken fast, hard, and sometimes die. This is because europeans now
have a partial tolerance to lyme, whereas the other groups never were
exposed before.

Lyme also eats proteins, many types. It eats myelin protein, which is known
to be going missing in MS patients. The localities for MS hot spots exactly
match the pattern of lyme disease, and I believe it is the same disease with
a different name. Myelin is what nerves are made of - and damage to myelin,
without a meat and potatos diet to replace protein constantly, causes brain
troubles (alzheimers, parkinsons, alateral myotrophic scleroses,
myocarditis), numbness of the bladder and/or muscle spasms in the elderly
mistaken as "incontinence", nerve troubles, stuttering, etc. Muscle cramp
occurring in the heart, is more familiarly known as "heart attack". It also
eats melanin, or pigment protein. This causes freckles in the young, who
really were meant to be darker than they are. You are seeing pigment being
eaten in the skin. This is why freckles eventually completely go away by
adulthood - as we age, more and more bacteria eat more and more protein,
till we get to critical stages of health. It is ALSO why we see in Carribean
people of afro/scot descent, a condition where the pigment from their skin
dissappears from the hands and feet, moving upward over time. Lyme hates
oxygen, and desires to reside in the furthest extremities of the body - eg.
how diabetics feet are classically affected. Another protein eaten by this
Lyme, is melatonin. Melatonin is what causes us to become sleepy, and lack
of it causes all types of sleep disorder, whether too much sleep or not
enough. Protein is crucial to the european descent person, and differences
in elderly damage are most likely related to diet, and secondly, sun
exposure or lack thereof.

Lyme patients have found quinine to be helpful. Quinine is an herb and the
main ingredient in our soda called "Tonic Water". Quinine contains large
amounts of bitter oxygen.

There was a recent scandal over Lyme disease and the insurers in NY state,
and 100s of Lyme patients were furious at all the lying going on about Lyme
Disease. This scandal has its roots in the fact that, the answer to medicine
in the US is Lyme and its cure, and physicians are not willing to see that
happen. It would put an end to their lucrative positions, as well as the
AMA, Insurers, etc. This is unethical and my personal goal is to see my
bretheren in the USA healed, informed, and to see something good happen in
this situation.

About 2 years ago, the BBC Online carried a story of an Australian doctor
noticing a man contracting diabetes from his diabetic wife, tho he had no
familial history of it, and concluded a study that Diabetes was bacterial.
Lyme patients are told they have "lyme diabetes", and I believe its one and
the same condition, triggered by sugar intake or lack of. The English
Government blackballed this physician, stating "do you know how much
prejudice you could cause against diabetics"! So much for ethics and
humanitarianism. The BBC also reported the same year, that MS was found to
respond to antibiotics. Tho antibiotics merely shut off a person's fight,
and do nothing to cure any bacterial disease, the US didnt see fit to
announce this important message on our shores. To date, they never have. MS
is Lyme Disease, same condition, different name. Ever hear of the "walks
like a snake" adage?

hickwithlesslyme

SOUNDS VERY POSIBLE,,,,,GOOD ARTICLE.......


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sinaj101

I agree. Excellent article.

a_weisman

A "carrier form of Lyme disease" ???

What does this phrase that you've invented here, mean?

What is the evidence for this assertion?

What is meant by "European plague area" ???

LOL Medical studies in the US and Europe do NOT "always" state
anything of the sort. How ridiculous.

Do you have any hint of a clue of an idea what a "control group" actually is?

Gee now we're down from everyone to 3/4 of everyone. And this figure
is based on ????

None of this rambling preamble of baseless and unfounded opinion is
doing anything to lend any credibility to what you say.

LOL For one thing, the MYTH was that it had to do with the bubonic
plague NOT Lyme disease.

But that myth is debunked in this article which makes it clear that
the nursery rhyme doesn't refer to ANY illness:

http://www.snopes.com/language/literary/rosie.htm
Urban Legends Reference Pages: Language (Ring Around the Rosie)
http://www.snopes.com/language/literary/rosie.htm
Claim: * The nursery rhyme 'Ring Around the Rosie' is a coded
reference to the Black Plague.

Status: * False.

Example: * [Varasdi, 1989]

Every child has happily joined hands with friends and recited the
familiar nursery rhyme, "Ring around a rosie, a pocket full of posies.
Ashes, ashes, we all fall down." Few people realize to what this
seemingly happy little nursery rhyme actually refers.

This nursery rhyme began about 1347 and derives from the
not-so-delightful Black Plague, which killed over twenty-five million
people in the four****th century. The "ring around a rosie" refers to
the round, red rash that is the first symptom of the disease. The
practice of carrying flowers and placing them around the infected
person for protection is described in the phrase, "a pocket full of
posies." "Ashes" is a corruption or imitation of the sneezing sounds
made by the infected person. Finally, "we all fall down" describes the
many dead resulting from the disease.


Origins: * If
"few people realize" that "this seemingly happy little nursery rhyme
actually refers" to the Black Plague, so much the better, because the
explanation presented above is nonsense. "Ring Around the Rosie" is
simply a nursery rhyme of indefinite origin and no specific meaning,
and someone, long after the fact, concocted an inventive "explanation"
for its creation.
The "Black Plague" was the disease we call bubonic plague, spread by a
bacillus usually carried by rodents and transmitted to humans by
fleas. The plague first hit western Europe in 1347, and by 1350 it had
killed nearly a third of the population. Although some of the details
of the plague offered in this putative "Ring Around the Rosie"
explanation are reasonably accurate (sneezing was one of the symptoms
of a form of the plague, for example, and some people did use flowers,
incense, and perfumed oils to try to ward off the disease), the notion
that they were behind the creation of this nursery rhyme is extremely
implausible for a number of reasons:

["Ring Around the Rosie" is sometimes said to have originated with a
later outbreak of the plague which occurred in London in 1665, to
which all of the following reasoning applies as well.]

Although folklorists have been collecting and setting down in print
bits of oral tradition such as nursery rhymes and fairy tales for
hundreds of years, the earliest print appearance of "Ring Around the
Rosie" did not occur until the publication of Kate Greenaway's Mother
Goose or The Old Nursery Rhymes in 1881. For the "plague" explanation
of "Ring Around the Rosie" to be true, we have to believe that
children were reciting this nursery rhyme continuously for over five
centuries, yet not one person in that five hundred year span found it
popular enough to merit writing it down. (How anyone could credibly
assert that a rhyme which didn't appear in print until 1881 actually
"began about 1347" is a mystery. If the rhyme were really this old,
then "Ring Around the Rosie" antedates even Chaucer's Canterbury
Tales, and therefore we would have examples of this rhyme in Middle
English as well as Modern English forms.)

"Ring Around the Rosie" has many different variant forms which omit
some of the "plague" references or clearly have nothing whatsoever to
do with death or disease. For example, versions published by William
Wells Newell in 1883:

Ring a ring a rosie,
A bottle full of posie,
All the girls in our town,
Ring for little Josie.

Round the ring of roses,
Pots full of posies,
The one stoops the last
Shall tell whom she loves the best.


Or this version from Charlotte Sophia Burne's 1883 Shropshire
Folk-Lore:

Ring-a-ring o' roses,
A pocket full of posies,
One for Jack, and one for Jim,
And one for little Moses.
A-tischa! A-tischa! A-tischa!


Or this version collected by Alice Gomme and published in the
Dictionary of British Folk-Lore in 1898:

Ring, a ring o' roses,
A pocket full o' posies,
Up-stairs and down-stairs,
In my lady's chamber --
Husher! Husher! Cuckoo!


Quite a fervent imagination is required to maintain that any of these
variations has anything to do with a plague, and since they were all
collected within a few years of each other, how could anyone determine
that the "plague" version of "Ring Around the Rosie" was the original,
and the other versions later corruptions of it? (And why is it that
this rhyme supposedly remained intact for five centuries, then
suddenly started sprouting all sorts of variations only in the late
nine****th century?)

The explanations of the rhyme's "true" meaning are inconsistent, and
they seem to be contrived to match whichever version of "Ring Around
the Rosie" the teller is familar with. For example, the purpose of the
"pocket full of posies" is said to by any one of the following:

Something carried to ward off the disease.
A way of masking the "stench of death."
An item the dead were commonly buried with.
Flowers to place "on a grave or funeral pyre."
A representation of the "pus or infection under the skin in the sores"
of plague victims.
Likewise, multiple meanings are claimed for the repetition of "ashes"
at the beginning of the last line:

A representation of the sneezing sounds of plague victims.
A reference to the practice of burning the bodies of those who
suc***bed to the plague.
A reference to the practice of burning the homes of plague sufferers
to prevent spread of disease.
A reference to the blackish discoloration of victims' skin from which
the term "Black Plague" was derived.
The word "ashes" cannot be "a corruption of the sneezing sounds made
by the infected person" and a word used for its literal meaning.
Either "ashes" was a corruption of an earlier form or a deliberate
use; it can't be both. Moreover, the "ashes" ending of "Ring Around
the Rosie" appears to be a fairly modern addition to the rhyme;
earlier versions repeat other words or syllables instead (e.g.,
"Hush!", "A-tischa!", "Hasher", "Husher", "Hatch-u", "A-tishoo") or,
as noted above, have completely different endings.

Children were apparently reciting this plague-inspired nursery rhyme
for over six hundred years before someone finally figured out what
they were talking about, as the first known mention of a plague
interpretation of "Ring Around the Rosie" didn't show up until James
Leasor published The Plague and the Fire in 1961. This sounds
suspiciously like the "discovery," several decades after the fact,
that L. Frank Baum's The Wonderful Wizard of Oz was written as a coded
parable about Populism. How come no contemporaries of Baum -- those
much closer in time and place to what he was writing about -- ever
noticed this? The answer is that Baum merely authored a children's
book, and it was only much later that someone invented a fanciful
interpretation of it -- an interpretation that has become more and
more layered and embellished over the years and has now become widely
accepted as "fact" despite all evidence to the contrary. It isn't
difficult to imagine that such a process has been applied to "Ring
Around the Rosie" as well, especially since we humans have such a
fondness for trying to make sense of the nonsensical, seeking to find
order in randomness, and especially for discovering and sharing
secrets. The older the secret, the better (because age demonstrates
the secret has eluded so many others before us), and so we've read
"hidden" meanings into all sorts of innocuous nursery rhymes: The dish
who ran away with the spoon in "Hey Diddle, Diddle" is really Queen
Elizabeth I (or Catherine of Aragon or Catherine the Great), or
"Humpty Dumpty" and "The Old Woman Who Lived in a Shoe" describe the
"spread and fragmentation of the British Empire." (The process is
aided by a general consensus that some nursery rhymes, such as "Old
King Cole," quite likely were actually based on real historical
figures.)
So, what does "Ring Around the Rosie" mean, then? Folklorist Philip
His**** suggests:

The more likely explanation is to be found in the religious ban on
dancing among many Protestants in the nine****th century, in Britain
as well as here in North America. Adolescents found a way around the
dancing ban with what was called in the United States the
"play-party." Play-parties consisted of ring games which differed from
square dances only in their name and their lack of musical
accompaniment. They were hugely popular, and younger children got into
the act, too. Some modern nursery games, particularly those which
involve rings of children, derive from these play-party games. "Little
Sally Saucer" (or "Sally Waters") is one of them, and "Ring Around the
Rosie" seems to be another. The rings referred to in the rhymes are
literally the rings formed by the playing children. "Ashes, ashes"
probably comes from something like "Husha, husha" (another common
variant) which refers to stopping the ring and falling silent. And the
falling down refers to the jumble of bodies in that ring when they let
go of each other and throw themselves into the circle.


Like "A Tisket, A Tasket" or "Hey Diddle Diddle" or even "I Am the
Walrus," the rhyme we call "Ring Around the Rosie" has no particular
meaning, regardless of our latter day efforts to create one for it.
They're all simply collections of words and sounds that someone
thought sounded good together. As John Lennon once explained:

We've learned over the years that if we wanted we could write anything
that just felt good or sounded good and it didn't necessarily have to
have any particular meaning to us. As odd as it seemed to us,
reviewers would take it upon themselves to interject their own
meanings on our lyrics. Sometimes we sit and read other people's
interpretations of our lyrics and think, 'Hey, that's pretty good.' If
we liked it, we would keep our mouths shut and just accept the credit
as if it was what we meant all along.


Additional information:
* * * The Black Death: Bubonic Plague
Last updated: * 17 November 2000

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ROTFL LMAO

Steven Hawkings is NOT a medical doctor. He is a physicist. Using his
name is a transparent attempt to lend credibility to this nonsense.

Do you think that MAYBE the reason that Europeans (of any religion)
get diseases that are different from those in a different part of the
world has to do with immunities to local infection created by exposure
and the development of antibodies along with the fact that for many
reasons different diseases may exist in different part of the world
(different vectors for transmission, different flora and fauna,
different climate etcetera).

This is one of the most ridiculous things posted in the past six
months.

At least until that stealth virus stuff was posted from a discredited con man.


LOL On the one hand you folks argue that doctors do NOT diagnose or
treat Lyme. Then you argue that doctors somehow benefit financially
from all the Lyme.

Nowhere yet has this "author" or anyone established "hereditary Lyme"
or the prevalance of it suggested here. (I do believe that congenital
Lyme occurs but I THINK that this author is suggesting something else entirely).

LOL ROTFL Lyme is NOT "found in the soil." How ridiculous. Ticks get
it from feeding on infected animals that act as reservoirs for the infection.


Show me a study or abstract or report (from a valid source) of cases
of Lyme from animal scratches or animal bites.

Huh? It flourishes in areas in the world with plenty of ultraviolet
light and ordinary amounts of rainfall. It is more prevalent in
certain latitudes which are NOT those with excessive rainfall. I don't
even know what is meant by "little ultraviolet sun."

ROTFL How absurd and TOTALLY WRONG.


This is laughable.

Of course HWL and Janis buy into this nonsense.

Did either of you bother to read this? Or check any of these demonstrably incorrect details?


Known by whom as being a "carrier." ???


Immune systems are NOT "created in the presence of a foreign
bacteria."

ANTIBODIES (which are PART of the immune system's response to
antigens) are created in response to bacteria (and other antigens).


Oh my god. This is totally ridiculous.


Where is an article showing that Bb has a replication time of monthly?
That is NOT what the scientific literature reports as to the
replication time (in vitro)of Bb.

??? Anything at all to back ANY of this nonsense up?

Anything to back this up?

Yes it is true that having not been previously exposed to many germs
carried by europeans that native americans were sickened. The mayans
were nearly wiped out by SMALLPOX NOT LYME.

The settlers in the US also deliberately infected indians with
smallpox (sending smallpox impregnated blankets to them--one of the
earliest instances of biowarfare).

Other viruses and germs that native americans had no natural immunity
to caused illness.

Where is any evidence that Lyme was a problem?


Ludicrous nonsense.

The bacteria can NOT be spread by handshakes. It doesn't survive ON
THE SKIN IN THE AIR.

There is ZERO evidence that it can survive the harsh environment of
saliva too to be spread by kissing.

I have to think that this entire thing is a joke? No one could
seriously believe this crap (other than HWL and Janis).


That is totally absurd and not true. All lyme patients here know that
their doctors and dentists treat them without premedication (unless
some other condition indicates it). Doctors use universal precautions
when appropriate. But since you folks argue that they don't take lyme
seriously, why would they be so concerned? I guess ALL of them are
part of some conspiracy and know Lyme is serious but pretend otherwise
to their patients? As part of the secret society no one doctor has
ever come forward to blow the whistle on this. Nor any dentist.
Inclding doctors and dentists who have become chronic lyme patients?

Gimme a big break.

Everyone here knows from their own experience that doctors and
dentists deal with them as they deal with everyone and don't take any
special precautions and that doctors do NOT require premedication to
see ostensible lyme patients and will frequently touch them without "protection."


Yeah I guess they weare invisible drugs and premedicate us secretly
without our knowledge? I guess the water company cooperates in the
massive conspiracy and puts abx in our water without our knowledge
when we're going to visit a doctor or dentist (even in an emergency
that they couldn't know about in advance).

AIDS is caused by Lyme? Is that what you're saying? *eye roll*

Lyme causes EVERYTHING. lyme IS EVERYTHING. Lyme is the unified field
theory of disease???

A study that says this?


It has NOTHING to do with different genetic variations of the bacteria
in Europe vs North America?

Blah blah blah

How do physicians benefit financially by denying diagnosis and
treatment of Lyme and in fact refusing to even test for it?

By whom? Where's a study on this?


Well you have stated that EVERYTHING IS LYME so of course it follows
that all conditions are Lyme or triggered by it.

This was stated by whom and where and when and to whom?

This is the biggest piece of horseshit posted here for monthws. And
that is saying something!

a_weisman

Hick did you read this? It sounds very possible? LOL ROTFL LMAO
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A "carrier form of Lyme disease" ???

What does this phrase that you've invented here, mean?

What is the evidence for this assertion?

What is meant by "European plague area" ???

LOL Medical studies in the US and Europe do NOT "always" state
anything of the sort. How ridiculous.

Do you have any hint of a clue of an idea what a "control group" actually is?

Gee now we're down from everyone to 3/4 of everyone. And this figure
is based on ????

None of this rambling preamble of baseless and unfounded opinion is
doing anything to lend any credibility to what you say.

LOL For one thing, the MYTH was that it had to do with the bubonic
plague NOT Lyme disease.

But that myth is debunked in this article which makes it clear that
the nursery rhyme doesn't refer to ANY illness:

http://www.snopes.com/language/literary/rosie.htm
Urban Legends Reference Pages: Language (Ring Around the Rosie)
http://www.snopes.com/language/literary/rosie.htm
Claim: The nursery rhyme 'Ring Around the Rosie' is a coded
reference to the Black Plague.

Status: False.

Example: [Varasdi, 1989]

Every child has happily joined hands with friends and recited the
familiar nursery rhyme, "Ring around a rosie, a pocket full of posies.
Ashes, ashes, we all fall down." Few people realize to what this
seemingly happy little nursery rhyme actually refers.

This nursery rhyme began about 1347 and derives from the
not-so-delightful Black Plague, which killed over twenty-five million
people in the four****th century. The "ring around a rosie" refers to
the round, red rash that is the first symptom of the disease. The
practice of carrying flowers and placing them around the infected
person for protection is described in the phrase, "a pocket full of
posies." "Ashes" is a corruption or imitation of the sneezing sounds
made by the infected person. Finally, "we all fall down" describes the
many dead resulting from the disease.


Origins: If
"few people realize" that "this seemingly happy little nursery rhyme
actually refers" to the Black Plague, so much the better, because the
explanation presented above is nonsense. "Ring Around the Rosie" is
simply a nursery rhyme of indefinite origin and no specific meaning,
and someone, long after the fact, concocted an inventive "explanation"
for its creation.
The "Black Plague" was the disease we call bubonic plague, spread by a
bacillus usually carried by rodents and transmitted to humans by
fleas. The plague first hit western Europe in 1347, and by 1350 it had
killed nearly a third of the population. Although some of the details
of the plague offered in this putative "Ring Around the Rosie"
explanation are reasonably accurate (sneezing was one of the symptoms
of a form of the plague, for example, and some people did use flowers,
incense, and perfumed oils to try to ward off the disease), the notion
that they were behind the creation of this nursery rhyme is extremely
implausible for a number of reasons:

["Ring Around the Rosie" is sometimes said to have originated with a
later outbreak of the plague which occurred in London in 1665, to
which all of the following reasoning applies as well.]

Although folklorists have been collecting and setting down in print
bits of oral tradition such as nursery rhymes and fairy tales for
hundreds of years, the earliest print appearance of "Ring Around the
Rosie" did not occur until the publication of Kate Greenaway's Mother
Goose or The Old Nursery Rhymes in 1881. For the "plague" explanation
of "Ring Around the Rosie" to be true, we have to believe that
children were reciting this nursery rhyme continuously for over five
centuries, yet not one person in that five hundred year span found it
popular enough to merit writing it down. (How anyone could credibly
assert that a rhyme which didn't appear in print until 1881 actually
"began about 1347" is a mystery. If the rhyme were really this old,
then "Ring Around the Rosie" antedates even Chaucer's Canterbury
Tales, and therefore we would have examples of this rhyme in Middle
English as well as Modern English forms.)

"Ring Around the Rosie" has many different variant forms which omit
some of the "plague" references or clearly have nothing whatsoever to
do with death or disease. For example, versions published by William
Wells Newell in 1883:

Ring a ring a rosie,
A bottle full of posie,
All the girls in our town,
Ring for little Josie.

Round the ring of roses,
Pots full of posies,
The one stoops the last
Shall tell whom she loves the best.


Or this version from Charlotte Sophia Burne's 1883 Shropshire
Folk-Lore:

Ring-a-ring o' roses,
A pocket full of posies,
One for Jack, and one for Jim,
And one for little Moses.
A-tischa! A-tischa! A-tischa!


Or this version collected by Alice Gomme and published in the
Dictionary of British Folk-Lore in 1898:

Ring, a ring o' roses,
A pocket full o' posies,
Up-stairs and down-stairs,
In my lady's chamber --
Husher! Husher! Cuckoo!


Quite a fervent imagination is required to maintain that any of these
variations has anything to do with a plague, and since they were all
collected within a few years of each other, how could anyone determine
that the "plague" version of "Ring Around the Rosie" was the original,
and the other versions later corruptions of it? (And why is it that
this rhyme supposedly remained intact for five centuries, then
suddenly started sprouting all sorts of variations only in the late
nine****th century?)

The explanations of the rhyme's "true" meaning are inconsistent, and
they seem to be contrived to match whichever version of "Ring Around
the Rosie" the teller is familar with. For example, the purpose of the
"pocket full of posies" is said to by any one of the following:

Something carried to ward off the disease.
A way of masking the "stench of death."
An item the dead were commonly buried with.
Flowers to place "on a grave or funeral pyre."
A representation of the "pus or infection under the skin in the sores"
of plague victims.
Likewise, multiple meanings are claimed for the repetition of "ashes"
at the beginning of the last line:

A representation of the sneezing sounds of plague victims.
A reference to the practice of burning the bodies of those who
suc***bed to the plague.
A reference to the practice of burning the homes of plague sufferers
to prevent spread of disease.
A reference to the blackish discoloration of victims' skin from which
the term "Black Plague" was derived.
The word "ashes" cannot be "a corruption of the sneezing sounds made
by the infected person" and a word used for its literal meaning.
Either "ashes" was a corruption of an earlier form or a deliberate
use; it can't be both. Moreover, the "ashes" ending of "Ring Around
the Rosie" appears to be a fairly modern addition to the rhyme;
earlier versions repeat other words or syllables instead (e.g.,
"Hush!", "A-tischa!", "Hasher", "Husher", "Hatch-u", "A-tishoo") or,
as noted above, have completely different endings.

Children were apparently reciting this plague-inspired nursery rhyme
for over six hundred years before someone finally figured out what
they were talking about, as the first known mention of a plague
interpretation of "Ring Around the Rosie" didn't show up until James
Leasor published The Plague and the Fire in 1961. This sounds
suspiciously like the "discovery," several decades after the fact,
that L. Frank Baum's The Wonderful Wizard of Oz was written as a coded
parable about Populism. How come no contemporaries of Baum -- those
much closer in time and place to what he was writing about -- ever
noticed this? The answer is that Baum merely authored a children's
book, and it was only much later that someone invented a fanciful
interpretation of it -- an interpretation that has become more and
more layered and embellished over the years and has now become widely
accepted as "fact" despite all evidence to the contrary. It isn't
difficult to imagine that such a process has been applied to "Ring
Around the Rosie" as well, especially since we humans have such a
fondness for trying to make sense of the nonsensical, seeking to find
order in randomness, and especially for discovering and sharing
secrets. The older the secret, the better (because age demonstrates
the secret has eluded so many others before us), and so we've read
"hidden" meanings into all sorts of innocuous nursery rhymes: The dish
who ran away with the spoon in "Hey Diddle, Diddle" is really Queen
Elizabeth I (or Catherine of Aragon or Catherine the Great), or
"Humpty Dumpty" and "The Old Woman Who Lived in a Shoe" describe the
"spread and fragmentation of the British Empire." (The process is
aided by a general consensus that some nursery rhymes, such as "Old
King Cole," quite likely were actually based on real historical
figures.)
So, what does "Ring Around the Rosie" mean, then? Folklorist Philip
His**** suggests:

The more likely explanation is to be found in the religious ban on
dancing among many Protestants in the nine****th century, in Britain
as well as here in North America. Adolescents found a way around the
dancing ban with what was called in the United States the
"play-party." Play-parties consisted of ring games which differed from
square dances only in their name and their lack of musical
accompaniment. They were hugely popular, and younger children got into
the act, too. Some modern nursery games, particularly those which
involve rings of children, derive from these play-party games. "Little
Sally Saucer" (or "Sally Waters") is one of them, and "Ring Around the
Rosie" seems to be another. The rings referred to in the rhymes are
literally the rings formed by the playing children. "Ashes, ashes"
probably comes from something like "Husha, husha" (another common
variant) which refers to stopping the ring and falling silent. And the
falling down refers to the jumble of bodies in that ring when they let
go of each other and throw themselves into the circle.


Like "A Tisket, A Tasket" or "Hey Diddle Diddle" or even "I Am the
Walrus," the rhyme we call "Ring Around the Rosie" has no particular
meaning, regardless of our latter day efforts to create one for it.
They're all simply collections of words and sounds that someone
thought sounded good together. As John Lennon once explained:

We've learned over the years that if we wanted we could write anything
that just felt good or sounded good and it didn't necessarily have to
have any particular meaning to us. As odd as it seemed to us,
reviewers would take it upon themselves to interject their own
meanings on our lyrics. Sometimes we sit and read other people's
interpretations of our lyrics and think, 'Hey, that's pretty good.' If
we liked it, we would keep our mouths shut and just accept the credit
as if it was what we meant all along.


Additional information:
The Black Death: Bubonic Plague
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ROTFL LMAO

Steven Hawkings is NOT a medical doctor. He is a physicist. Using his
name is a transparent attempt to lend credibility to this nonsense.

Do you think that MAYBE the reason that Europeans (of any religion)
get diseases that are different from those in a different part of the
world has to do with immunities to local infection created by exposure
and the development of antibodies along with the fact that for many
reasons different diseases may exist in different part of the world
(different vectors for transmission, different flora and fauna,
different climate etcetera).

This is one of the most ridiculous things posted in the past six
months.

At least until that stealth virus stuff was posted from a discredited con man.


LOL On the one hand you folks argue that doctors do NOT diagnose or
treat Lyme. Then you argue that doctors somehow benefit financially
from all the Lyme.

Nowhere yet has this "author" or anyone established "hereditary Lyme"
or the prevalance of it suggested here. (I do believe that congenital
Lyme occurs but I THINK that this author is suggesting something else entirely).

LOL ROTFL Lyme is NOT "found in the soil." How ridiculous. Ticks get
it from feeding on infected animals that act as reservoirs for the infection.


Show me a study or abstract or report (from a valid source) of cases
of Lyme from animal scratches or animal bites.

Huh? It flourishes in areas in the world with plenty of ultraviolet
light and ordinary amounts of rainfall. It is more prevalent in
certain latitudes which are NOT those with excessive rainfall. I don't
even know what is meant by "little ultraviolet sun."

ROTFL How absurd and TOTALLY WRONG.


This is laughable.

Of course HWL and Janis buy into this nonsense.

Did either of you bother to read this? Or check any of these demonstrably incorrect details?


Known by whom as being a "carrier." ???


Immune systems are NOT "created in the presence of a foreign
bacteria."

ANTIBODIES (which are PART of the immune system's response to
antigens) are created in response to bacteria (and other antigens).


Oh my god. This is totally ridiculous.


Where is an article showing that Bb has a replication time of monthly?
That is NOT what the scientific literature reports as to the
replication time (in vitro)of Bb.

??? Anything at all to back ANY of this nonsense up?

Anything to back this up?

Yes it is true that having not been previously exposed to many germs
carried by europeans that native americans were sickened. The mayans
were nearly wiped out by SMALLPOX NOT LYME.

The settlers in the US also deliberately infected indians with
smallpox (sending smallpox impregnated blankets to them--one of the
earliest instances of biowarfare).

Other viruses and germs that native americans had no natural immunity
to caused illness.

Where is any evidence that Lyme was a problem?


Ludicrous nonsense.

The bacteria can NOT be spread by handshakes. It doesn't survive ON
THE SKIN IN THE AIR.

There is ZERO evidence that it can survive the harsh environment of
saliva too to be spread by kissing.

I have to think that this entire thing is a joke? No one could
seriously believe this crap (other than HWL and Janis).


That is totally absurd and not true. All lyme patients here know that
their doctors and dentists treat them without premedication (unless
some other condition indicates it). Doctors use universal precautions
when appropriate. But since you folks argue that they don't take lyme
seriously, why would they be so concerned? I guess ALL of them are
part of some conspiracy and know Lyme is serious but pretend otherwise
to their patients? As part of the secret society no one doctor has
ever come forward to blow the whistle on this. Nor any dentist.
Inclding doctors and dentists who have become chronic lyme patients?

Gimme a big break.

Everyone here knows from their own experience that doctors and
dentists deal with them as they deal with everyone and don't take any
special precautions and that doctors do NOT require premedication to
see ostensible lyme patients and will frequently touch them without "protection."


Yeah I guess they weare invisible drugs and premedicate us secretly
without our knowledge? I guess the water company cooperates in the
massive conspiracy and puts abx in our water without our knowledge
when we're going to visit a doctor or dentist (even in an emergency
that they couldn't know about in advance).

AIDS is caused by Lyme? Is that what you're saying? *eye roll*

Lyme causes EVERYTHING. lyme IS EVERYTHING. Lyme is the unified field
theory of disease???

A study that says this?


It has NOTHING to do with different genetic variations of the bacteria
in Europe vs North America?

Blah blah blah

How do physicians benefit financially by denying diagnosis and
treatment of Lyme and in fact refusing to even test for it?

By whom? Where's a study on this?


Well you have stated that EVERYTHING IS LYME so of course it follows
that all conditions are Lyme or triggered by it.

This was stated by whom and where and when and to whom?

This is the biggest piece of horseshit posted here for monthws. And
that is saying something!

a_weisman

Of course you agree and think it is an excellent article.

Listen, would you like to buy some real estate from me? A bridge? A
tall building? Some swampland? A used car?

I gotta get into business with the two of you. Specially since SINAJ
is coming into large wealth supposedly, wealth I couldn't even begin
to comprehend.

I'd like to prove that it is true that a fool and her money are soon
parted.

LOL

a_weisman

Here is all the places that this fool spammed with this ridiculous
crap. This damages the credibility of ALL Lyme patients.

fibromyalgia et al is LYME, hereditary
Almost ALL people of European Plague-area descent today, are suffering
from a carrier form of Lyme disease, causing
their eventual mystery conditions of health and unnecessary medical
suffering that could be avoided. ...
alt.med.fibromyalgia - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (2
articles)

allergie = plague 1400s; LYME Answer to medicine found!
Deutschland: this letter is ANSWER to white people's illnesses. Please
translate. Thank you Almost ALL people
of European Plague-area descent today, are suffering from a carrier
form of Lyme disease, causing ...
de.sci.medizin.allergie - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (1
article)

diabetes est 1400s plague
Deutchland: No speken ze deutsch; en USA. URGENT letter. Almost ALL
people of European Plague-area descent
today, are suffering from a carrier form of Lyme disease, causing
their eventual mystery conditions ...
de.sci.medizin.diabetes - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (1
article)

answer to medicine found! USA
Querida Espana: La llave de las problemas heredetarias de los euros es
en esta
carte. Por favor, pregunta una persona que habla ingles ayudar leer
esta carta
en espanol. Es muy importante. Yo estoy in USA y mi espanol es muy
mal. ...
de.sci.medizin.misc - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (1
article)

answer to medicine found USA!
Guten Tag: No speiken ze deutsch; alleman. Die post ist from USA -
urgent that you read for health. Almost
ALL people of European Plague-area descent today, are suffering from a
carrier form of Lyme disease ...
de.sci.medizin.pflege - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (1
article)

llave de las problemas en europa medicinal
Querida Espana: La llave de las problemas heredetarias de los euros es
en esta
carte. Por favor, pregunta una persona que habla ingles ayudar leer
esta carta
en espanol. Es muy importante. Yo estoy in USA y mi espanol es muy
mal. ...
es.charla.enfermedad - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (1
article)

llave de las problemas europas medicinal
Querida Espana: La llave de las problemas heredetarias de los euros es
en esta
carte. Por favor, pregunta una persona que habla ingles ayudar leer
esta carta
en espanol. Es muy importante. Yo estoy in USA y mi espanol es muy
mal. ...
es.charla.enfermedad.ela - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (1
article)

llave de las problemas medical en europa:
Querida Espana: La llave de las problemas heredetarias de los euros es
en esta
carte. Por favor, pregunta una persona que habla ingles ayudar leer
esta carta
en espanol. Es muy importante. Yo estoy in USA y mi espanol es muy
mal. ...
es.charla.enfermedad.misc - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (1
article)

llave de medicina europa: por favor, leer
Querida Espana: La llave de las problemas heredetarias de los euros es
en esta
carte. Por favor, pregunta una persona que habla ingles ayudar leer
esta carta
en espanol. Es muy importante. Yo estoy in USA y mi espanol es muy
mal. ...
es.ciencia.medicina - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (1
article)

llave de problemas medicinas de las euros
Querida Espana: La llave de las problemas heredetarias de los euros es
en esta
carte. Por favor, pregunta una persona que habla ingles ayudar leer
esta carta
en espanol. Es muy importante. Yo estoy in USA y mi espanol es muy
mal. ...
es.ciencia.medicina.depresion - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread
(1 article)

llave de problemas medicas en europa:
Querida Espana: La llave de las problemas heredetarias /medicinal de
los euros es
en esta carte. Por favor, pregunta una persona que habla ingles ayudar
leer esta carta
en espanol. Es muy importante. Yo estoy in USA y mi espanol es muy
mal. ...
es.ciencia.medicina.lab-clinico - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View
Thread (1 article)

Espana, ayuda: Llave de medicina:
Hola Yo estoy en los estados unidos. Mi espanol es muy mal. Por favor,
pregunta
te una persona que hablas ingles para translate en espanol, es muy
importante
- la llave de medicina de los hermanos de europa es alli. Gracias. ...
es.ciencia.medicina.misc - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (2
articles)

answer to US Medicine: Hereditary Lyme (plague)
Germany, please study this. It is being hushed up in USA similar to
Royal Raymond Rife's work of 1930.
Almost ALL people of European Plague-area descent today, are suffering
from a carrier form of Lyme ...
fido.ger.medizin - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (1 article)

answer to medicine: Hereditary Lyme (plague)
Almost ALL people of European Plague-area descent today, are suffering
from a carrier form of Lyme disease, causing
their eventual mystery conditions of health and unnecessary medical
suffering that could be avoided. ...
fj.sci.medical - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (1 article)

answer to medicine: Hereditary Lyme
This is being ignored in the USA, too much money at stake. Another
case of Royal Raymond Rife. France, please help
make it known! The medical establishment here also owns our media, and
will not spread the information. ...
fj.soc.medical - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (1 article)

Re: Royal Raymond Rife
The american medical establishment sought to preserve its industry by
harassing Dr. Rife. You are absolutely
right. This is also related to what Dr. Rife had discovered, please
read or have translated ...
francom.esoterisme - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (5
articles)

answer to medicine: Hereditary Lyme (plague)
Almost ALL people of European Plague-area descent today, are suffering
from a carrier form of Lyme disease, causing
their eventual mystery conditions of health and unnecessary medical
suffering that could be avoided. ...
fr.bio.medecine - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (3 articles)

answer to medicine; Hereditary Lyme
Almost ALL people of European Plague-area descent today, are suffering
from a carrier form of Lyme disease, causing
their eventual mystery conditions of health and unnecessary medical
suffering that could be avoided. ...
fr.bio.medecine.veterinaire - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread
(1 article)

answer to medicine: Hereditary Lyme
Almost ALL people of European Plague-area descent today, are suffering
from a carrier form of Lyme disease, causing
their eventual mystery conditions of health and unnecessary medical
suffering that could be avoided. ...
fr.bio.paramedical - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (1
article)

answer to medicine: Hereditary Lyme
Almost ALL people of European Plague-area descent today, are suffering
from a carrier form of Lyme disease, causing
their eventual mystery conditions of health and unnecessary medical
suffering that could be avoided. ...
francom.medical - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (1 article)

answer to medicine: Hereditary Lyme in USA
Almost ALL people of European Plague-area descent today, are suffering
from a carrier form of Lyme disease, causing
their eventual mystery conditions of health and unnecessary medical
suffering that could be avoided. ...
misc.education.medical - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (1
article)

answer to medicine: Hereditary Lyme in USA
Almost ALL people of European Plague-area descent today, are suffering
from a carrier form of Lyme disease, causing
their eventual mystery conditions of health and unnecessary medical
suffering that could be avoided. ...
sci.med - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (1 article)

answer to medicine: Hereditary Lyme in US
Almost ALL people of European Plague-area descent today, are suffering
from a carrier form of Lyme disease, causing
their eventual mystery conditions of health and unnecessary medical
suffering that could be avoided. ...
sci.med.diseases.osteoporosis - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread
(1 article)

Answer to Med: Hereditary Lyme in US
Almost ALL people of European Plague-area descent today, are suffering
from a carrier form of Lyme disease, causing
their eventual mystery conditions of health and unnecessary medical
suffering that could be avoided. ...
sci.med.diseases.lyme - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (5
articles)

answer to medicine: Hereditary Lyme in the US
Almost ALL people of European Plague-area descent today, are suffering
from a carrier form of Lyme disease, causing
their eventual mystery conditions of health and unnecessary medical
suffering that could be avoided. ...
sci.med.diseases.als - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (1
article)

Hereditary Lyme in the US: Answer to Medicine
Almost ALL people of European Plague-area descent today, are suffering
from a carrier form of Lyme disease, causing
their eventual mystery conditions of health and unnecessary medical
suffering that could be avoided. ...
sci.med.cardiology - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (1
article)

hydrofats cause obesity, cancer
Tho hydrogenated fats are contrived with nickel sulfurs (poisonous),
and suffocate the human body's cells
of oxygen they need to burn food and live, I find it amazing the FDA
has not run to outlaw their use. ...
sci.med.cardiology - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (2
articles)

Re: Salon: Christians preach Bible-inspired diet
The liver makes cholesterol from starches. This is already proven.
Suggesting the cholesterol in meats
goes thru the body unchanged, is purely absurd. The only reason these
md's are getting their ******* ...
soc.culture.indian - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (44
articles)

Re: Tuesday's risk factor: ED
Thats because they have undiagnosed high blood pressure leading to
both conditions. Are you impotent? Multiply
your risk by three: "A long-running study of over 2,000 men found that
erectile dysfunction ...
sci.med.cardiology - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (14
articles)

bob's beans
HI Bob Judging from your musical beans comments 6/7, I'd deduce youve
never
heard of "cooking the farts out of them". Its a texas thing - when you
break
down the fiber by slow cooking at least 4 hours, they dont make gas.
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sci.med.cardiology - Jun 11, 2004 by hareleif - View Thread (1 article

hickwithverylitlelyme

ANOTHERONEOFYOURWISEASSWORTHLESSPOSTS,,,,,,,,GO FIGURE.........

IVE BEEN DOING FINE SELLING 3 LEGGED COWS,,,,,,,I DONT NEED A
PARTNER,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I KNOW A MAN WHO NEEDS A PARNER FOR HIS BUSINESS,,,,I THINK YOU WOULD WORK
OUT GOOD,,,


ITS PUTTING RUBBERS ON TERMITES.......ROTFLMAO

greggerber

Hareleif, you are JOKING, right? This is one of the craziest things I
have ever heard --and I say this with all due respect to those who
talk about congenital Lyme and theorize (and note, the word is
theorize) about ***ually-transmitted Lyme disease. Even those
convinced that ***ually-transmitted Lyme is real (including Bill
Harvey) haven't suggested anything like this. So ...actually.. what
you are saying is that EVERYONE has Lyme disease, even the ones who
think they are healthy. We have just lowered our standards and
redefined the meaning of wellness and disease? As for the sick ones,
no matter WHAT disease they been diagnosed with it's almost always
really Lyme. Deep. Well I guess that explains why everyone is
positive on the Bowen test. I wasn't going to comment on sci.med
anymore, but I must: congrats, you have emerged to fill the vaccuum,
replacing the Lyme conspiracy theory of everything with the Lyme
theory of everything. Hareleif --you are joking, right, and just
trying to see who will sign on with this insane theory, I'm sure of
it. What else could you have in mind? Gregory Gerber

derdrittemann2003

Gregory Gerber

I hope this doesn't happen...and I hope your feeling in this regard
was not, in any way, linked to the rather frustrating exchange we had
re: Chuck and all...

....and...I wholeheartedly agree here.

Got your 6 on this one.