karen

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oh puh-lease!
Alton I didn't answer you before because I have seen way to much of what you
post to even consider taking you seriously.

Get a life.
Maybe if you do you may actually cry occasionally too

Karen

erik

Trolls feed off negative energy and try to provoke people to
this purpose. Rational arguments are pointless as it's
simply a game where the rules are tailored to suite the
troll's purpose.

Erik

kadee_did

Ok, Erik, I will send Alton some positive energy. Do you think that
will help? Maybe it will give him a different outlook.

kadee

erik

Sheepish sorry.

It's just that I've seen these guys come and go. They stay
where they can find a good argument to the detriment of the
group.

Should little old Erik make the call about what is good for
the group? No. I was just hoping that I was starting the
collective call to reason instead of letting this thread
spiral off into the realm abusive posts (if indeed, that was
where it was going.)

Erik

alloker

My theory covers not only migraine symptoms but all automatic
responses, and its basic statement is that all automatic responses
have precise self-protective meanings and functions. My book contains
about 2000 empirical proofs of various parts of the theory. And
because those parts are logically and causally related to each other,
the empirical proof of one part of the theory constitutes also the
proof of many other parts of it if not all parts of it. My theory of
migraine in particular is proved to be valid and usable by more than
100 cases of successful psychotherapy.


I did not present my interpretation of photophobia as undeniable
truth. On the contrary, I acknowledged the possibility of the
physiological triggering of migraine headache by intense light, the
disorder itself being caused psychologically as I explained. You can
read my related post again.


The evaluation of a judgment or behavior as a mistake or not is so
subjective that the therapist's and even the patient's conscious
evaluations have no diagnostic and the****utic value. It is absolutely
necessary to discover the behavior that the patient's unconscious
considers a self-harming mistake. I have stated several times in my
writings that migraine is caused by repeated self-harming behavior.
This can be empirically proved by examining the life experiences of
migraineurs and their temporal relations with the initial apparition
of the symptoms and the changes that may have occurred in them later.
Sometimes the symptoms are so timely and effective that they
physically prevent the execution of the self-harming action.

But, saying that migraine is caused by repeated self-harming behavior
does not expose the etiology of this disorder completely. The
patient's unconscious evaluates the repetition of the self-harming
behavior as a self-harming cognitive-behavioral mistake and therefore
produces headache as a corrective punishment, just like someone who
discovers having made a severely self-harming mistake may hit his/her
head to punish it symbolically.

The migraineur is not "a self-destructive individual with minimal
insight." I have posted several original case histories to this group.
If you read them you will see that migraine is caused by harmful
conditions that have been accidentally realized and with which nobody
could cope. A migraineur abstains from dealing consciously with
his/her harmful problem for various reasons such as believing that:
(a) migraine is not caused by something he/she does or does not do,
(b) his/her unresolved harmful problem has no practical solution and
is not related to his/her illness, (c) more harm can be caused by
trying to resolve that harmful problem, (d) he/she has realized a
rational balance between the good and bad things in his/her life,
excepting his/her migraine symptoms which are manifestations of an
organic illness, (e) he/she will be deprived from certain privileges
that he/she profits from because of his/her illness, and so forth. It
must be noticed that some of these reasons are valid also for all
psychologists of our time, including the most famous ones, and
research shows that all non-depressed persons are inclined to repress
their failures. We all have experienced failures that we can do
nothing about; so we just repress them. A migraineur keeps
experiencing such a failure due to unusual cir***stances that have
been accidentally realized. For all these reasons, a migraineur cannot
be considered "a self-destructive individual with minimal insight."
But science progresses and becomes more and more capable of helping
individuals with problems that are not shared by all humans.

A biased language can be used, and is even necessary, when presenting
a theory that has been proved to be correct. For example, if you treat
a problem in accordance with quantum mechanics, you do not have to
use, and you cannot use, expressions that make Newtonian explanations
of the sane phenomena possible. Scientific psychologists have to use
unbiased language today because psychology has no wide-scope theory
yet, excepting my theory. Freud tried to construct such a theory, but
it turned out to be unscientific for reasons that are known today. A
theory is considered correct, or usable, if it serves to explain,
predict, and control observed phenomena. My theory of automatic
responses -- including symptoms and dreams -- does all that. If you
question yourself in bed about the self-harming mistake that you are
making, you will have dreams that answer your question in the concrete
****ogic language of the unconscious.

Altan

alloker

I am not blaming you -- or any other migraineur. But I know that your
unconscious is blaming you for harming yourself. You will continue to
be ill as long as you do not cooperate with your unconscious.


The term "photophobia" is commonly used and refers to the reaction
caused by "photosensitivity," if you will. But this sensitivity MAY BE
caused psychologically as I explained.

You have learned by daily experience that sunlight does not expose
your self-harming behavior, which you are trying to underestimate and
ignore. But you are afraid that a less common "enlightening" event may
do that. Your guess is correct.

There is no such chicken/egg problem, because the interaction between
body and mind is a two way process, that is, it can occur in both
directions. For example, a clogged blood vessel in the brain can cause
aphasia, but aphasia can be caused also psychologically without any
defect in the brain. Mental disorders that have no known organic cause
and are assumed to have none are called PRIMARY MENTAL DISORDERS in
DSM-IV. As far as we know, there can be no mind without a brain, and
no mental operation without a related brain process. But we know on
the basis of ordinary experience, or we have the impression, that we
can mentally cause certain physiological and physical phenomena.
Without this assumption, human existence and many of human
institutions would not make sense. In fact, many useful things can be
done by thinking only at the psychological level, without any
reference to accompanying or underlying physiological processes. This
is why the science of psychology exists. The best conception of the
mind is that it is a characteristic of the sufficiently integrated
functioning of the mind, and that this integrated functioning can
activate selected regions, or neuron groups, in the brain to start and
control particular operations that can control the rest of the body.

As I said, physiological processes can cause psychological ones, but
the opposite is also true. It is also true that we can do nothing that
is not made possible by our genes. Much of our automatic functioning
is undoubtedly determined by our genes. But our genes do not determine
all our actions. For example, we do not consciously and willfully
determine the time of laughing, and the conditions that make us
automatically laugh appear to be determined by our genes. In other
words, it appears that our genes make laughing possible and make it
necessary under certain conditions. But we can control the conditions
that necessitate laughing. This is how comedy becomes possible.
Similarly, although symptoms as automatic responses are made possible
and even necessary by our genes, we can control the conditions that
necessitate them. This means that we can control the symptoms,
including those of migraine. I have been explaining this can be done.

No organic process has been determined that could be considered the
cause of the abnormal physiological that produce headache. Moreover,
it has been experimentally shown that those abnormal physiological
processes are controlled by the cortex which also produces thought.
This suggests, if it does not prove, a psychological etiology. Also,
no differences have been observed between the life stresses recently
experienced by migraineurs and by their controls. This terminates the
myth that migraine is caused by stress. There is no animal model of
migraine, and this shows that this disorder is due to the high
thinking capacity of humans. Finally, there is no physiological cure
of migraine, whereas I have cured more that 100 migraine patients in
very short times by psychotherapy based on the theory explained in my
posts and my other writings.

I have no migraines, because, as a modest soul, I acknowledge my
failures and do what ever I can do about them. Besides, as I
mentioned, all psychological disorders are due to unusually harmful
conditions that have been accidentally realized, with which nobody
could cope. I suffered no such accident that could cause migraine, but
I certainly suffered my share of various other types of accident.
However, no brick fell on my head.

Altan

alloker

The examination of the life experiences of women suffering from
menstrual migraines shows that the issue is pregnancy and having a
baby. Such a woman either wants to be pregnant and have a baby or does
not want it, and her unconscious opposes her conscious attitude
because of her motives and the existing conditions. The precise
temporal relationship between menstruation and the apparition and
termination of the symptoms of migraine expose the function of those
symptoms in the light provided by my theory and the life experiences
of the patient. The same situation related to pregnancy and having a
baby can cause symptoms other than those of migraine depending on the
particulars of the situation. There are case histories in the
literature that illustrate this phenomenon.

Altan

alloker

You are capable of copying sentences written by others but incapable
of seeing what is below and beyond those statements and incapable to
know which particular phenomena fit them. Those who have written those
sentences do not know why and how those symptoms are produced. But you
don't care about that either. You are satisfied by memorizing and
repeating, or copying, what some people known as important have
written. Evaluating a new discovery is something that you would not
even dream of doing. My posts are not for you. But I acknowledge your
right to protect your mental health by doing what you did. Below is a
comparison of my behavior and the symptoms you quoted.


I always wanted to understand what is going on in the world. For
example, I was 15 I preyed God to help me in this respect and said,
"Oh God, I don't want to to laugh if I don't know why I laugh and what
happens when I laugh." I began to read scientific books at that age.
For decades I SUFFERED from not knowing and not understanding more
than I did, which is the opposite of the attitude of the narcissistic
person. I had ambition, but no illusion or fantasy. My first success
has been the explanation of unconscious audience reaction to stage
plays and films. I discovered that audience reaction is largely shaped
by what Freud called "free-floating anxiety." An abstracted of my book
FILM AND SUSPENSE took place in the February 1977 issue of
PSYCHOLOGICAL ABSTRACTS. Hitch**** wrote to me about this book, "I
find it extremely clever in the ****yses of the film maker and the
audience."

In 1986 I discovered (a) the general cause of all "primary mental
disorders," (b) the particular causes of major mental disorders, and
(c) the meanings and functions of their symptoms and many other
automatic responses, including dreams. "Primary mental disorders" are
defined in DSM-IV as those of which the causes are not organic and are
not known. The core of my discoveries is that all automatic responses,
including the symptoms of primary mental disorders and dreams, have
precise self-protective and adaptive functions. This fact is something
ignored by the authors of DSM and everyone else, and its understanding
constitutes a revolution in psychology, psychiatry, and psychotherapy.
I have cured more than 100 migraine and tension headache patients by
very fast psychotherapy. I lectured in three international psychology
conferences. My books are sold online. My article on the theory and
therapy of mental disorders, including migraine, has been recently
accepted for publication in a New York journal published by an east
cost state university. And I am still suffering from not understanding
the world more than I do.

I never waste my time with fantasies, because I know that I need to
know much more than I do.


This is a stupid accusation, unless you consider yourself a person of
"rarefied status." I always believed that psychologists do not help
people as much as they should, and I am trying to do that.


Another nonsense. I am certainly not admired by those who post here.
But I am still hoping that they may somehow profit from my
discoveries. Some readers do that.

I wish to help those who need my help and do not expect favorable
treatment, otherwise I would not take all this trouble to help.


My goal is to put my discoveries to the use of hundreds of millions
who can profit from them. I always tried not to have goals that did
not accord with the interests of others.

I believe that I can help some persons better than they can help
themselves concerning certain issues. I am trying to satisfy some of
their most important needs that are neglected by them.


I do not envy any other psychologist, because they all ignore the
causes and functions of automatic responses, including the symptoms of
primary mental disorders and dreams, and are unable to help those who need their help.


I present my discoveries honestly and in a straightforward way to
those who can profit from them. Doing this by using a less assured
language would be dishonest.

"A grandiose sense of self-importance (patient exaggerates own
abilities and accomplishments) "

As I said, I always had ambition but no illusion and fantasy and
suffered from not understanding more than I did and from not helping
others more than I did, rather than rejoicing over my discoveries.

To repeat, you copied some lines from DSM to accuse me of behaving as
described in those lines, but you have no proof of it, because you are
absolutely unable to say anything sensible about my discoveries. Some
members of this group rationally discuss my explanations. Obviously,
you are not capable of doing that. And there are also those who profit
from my posts without exposing themselves to the members of the group.
As I said, I acknowledge your right to protect your mental health by
doing what you did, but you can do that better if you understand my
discoveries.

I wrote these to enlighten those who might be mislead by you.

Altan

kiyoshi

Your reply supports what I posted, so I have nothing more to add.

Kiyoshi


On 10 Dec 2003 06:45:25 -0800, alloker@superonline.com (Altan Loker)


--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side

cyndeer

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Do I say it? Oh my, what a dilemma. Do I stoop to the level of saying the
thought that came immediately to mind? Well, it *is* me, afterall. So....I
think....yep.

Idiot.