larry hoover

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

No, they didn't. They both had roughly equivalent gains in weight, just in
different forms. I bet the difference wasn't even statistically significant.

Some more considerations:

Both groups ate enough to gain about a half kilo of stored energy over two
days. I don't see the relevance of such an artificial (read highly
manipulated) process to the typical behaviour of people at large. The
results could be artifacts of the severity of the manipulation itself. I
don't think you need a study like this to demonstrate that it's not a good
idea to gorge yourself at a buffet table.

The high-carb people stored carbs. The high-fat people stored fat. Is that
in itself surprising? Stored carbs would be in what form, in particular? Do
you think *that's* a healthy thing to do to your liver?

Taking into account the differences in total energy taken in (about
equivalent to 100 grams of fat), the high-fat people gained less weight than
did the high-carbers.

Also, it's not valid to extrapolate from a two-day-long manipulation to
trends induced by long-term dietary composition. Short-term effects do not
predict long-term changes.

wuzzy

I meant 10 times more storage of fat.++But anyway I have more recently shown that low-fat vegan diet is *ALOT* better than low-calorie diet, and it *did* reach statistical significance, whereas the harvard atkins trial was not statistically significant.


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wuzzy

Greater fat storage carries over into one week too as per following study. This study is isoproteic which protein is known to increase caloric expenditure (protein>carbs>fats) http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/86/1/214


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wuzzy

it carries over into two weeks: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entre...&dopt=Abstract


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moosh!

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:40:24 -0400, "Larry Hoover"
<larryhoover@sympatico.ca> posted:


It's not as bad as slightly overdoing it every day of the year.


Why not? Happens every day in billions of healthy humans.


Taken in where, and what *was* this "weight"?
BTW, did anyone take into account what the fat consumption habit was
of these subjects before they went on the high fat diet?


Probably.
The well-measured short-term tests confirm basic principles. If the
basic principles are relevant to long term effects.....

larry hoover

What, adding 400 grams of what was called carb storage? Surely, a good chunk
of that is liver weight? I wouldn't call that an everyday occurrence, nor
would I call it healthy.


Defined in the study as fat and carb weight increase. Deduct the difference
in total kcal intake, as fat or carb, your call. Stored energy weighs
something, and that was estimated to be about 100 grams of fat. The high-fat
people didn't store that much carb, so what would you deduct, to balance the energy intake fairly?

Exactly what I was implying. Enzyme induction takes longer than two days.


......because of enzyme induction.


....may be in accord with assumptions, which may be false.

That's a big if.