linda

FDA Issues Warning on Neuroleptics used to treat symptoms of TS and
psychotic symptoms induced by stimulants such as ritalin, adderall,
dexedrine, cylert etc..

WebMD Medical News Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD
on Thursday, September 18, 2003

Date of alert: Sept. 18, 2003

The FDA has requested updated product labeling for many antipsychotic drugs.
The labeling will include a warning about increased risk of hyperglycemia
and diabetes. Products affected by this update include Zyprexa, Clozaril,
Risperdal, Seroquel, Geodon, and Abilify.


http://my.webmd.com/content/article/74/89073.htm

mark d morin

Back to your scare tactics again?
What is the incidence of psychotic symptoms when stimulants are used?

Your posting would have more credibility if you had simply stuck to
what it said rather than your opinion as to what it means.

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an unlimited number of fears. And if we require that
something be absolutely safe and absolutely understood
before we use it, we'll never use anything,
because we'll never have absolute understanding.
David Wright 9/20/03

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linda

In case you aren't aware of it, when stimulants, tenex or clonidine,
SSRI's et al, activate psych symptoms in a child, doctors will augment
their rx of stimulants, tenex and clonidine or SSRI's with
anti-psychotics, obscuring the fact they are antipsychotics from the
childs parents by referring to them as neuroleptics instead.

How dare you question the sincerity of my motives in ensuring parents of
other children prescribed stimulants, tenex, clonidine, SSRI's etc that
are then augmented with "neuroleptics" are aware that what doctors refer to
as "neuroleptics" are in reality antipsychotics which are known to not only
cause severe permanent damage to childrens brains and CNS, but have been
linked to causing diabetes.

Especially, since some of us fight so hard to get the FDA to look at the
scientific evidence linking diseases like diabetes to atypical AP's, or
teen suicides to SSRI's in order to get the FDA to mandate drug makers
include warnings on their labels about the link between AP's and diabetes,
or mandate doctors cease rx'ing SSRI's to depressed teens.

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to get the FDA to issue alerts
about drugs they already approved?

When the FDA finally issues such an alert, you can bet your bottom dollar
the LINK is a strong one!

dechiera

Yes, sincerity of motives can be a pretty tricky thing to interpret. I
wonder, what your motives are, as you search high and low through different
search engines for my children's names? Contacting different organizations
in regards to me and mine ... for your personal agenda?

Leah aka (just wrapping up school project, due tomorrow)
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"Sanity, soundness and sincerity, of which gleams and strains can still be
found in the human brain under powerful microscopes, flourish only in a
culture of clarification, which is now becoming harder and harder to detect
with the naked eye." ~ JThurber

mark d morin

What is the base rate of this linda?
The last time this came up, an expert was quoted to say that this
could happen. Somebody emailed him as to baserates and do you remember
his response?

Not measurable.

Do you really enjoy scare mongering?

This alert was about drug induced hypoglycemia--not the things you're
ranting about.

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The "anti" group on any subject can stall it forever
by asking an unlimited number of questions and feeding
an unlimited number of fears. And if we require that
something be absolutely safe and absolutely understood
before we use it, we'll never use anything,
because we'll never have absolute understanding.
David Wright 9/20/03

http://home.gwi.net/~mdmpsyd/index.htm

dechiera

..... yup, I wonder if I compared some of the emails that just entered my
inbox with others from this newsgroups, if they might find some similarities
???? coincidences, maybe ???? but I doubt it .... such a waste of time and
energy.

But I can give you some updates, so you can stop search the internet ...
daughters seem to have gotten off to a good start this school year.
Interium report cards arrived yesterday.

Oldest daughter pulled a "C" with a 1 in citizenship and comments of how
hard a worker, she is, in the regular English class, I had my reservations
about. A+ in math will help offset that, hopefully. She also joined
Japanese Animation and Archery clubs with her swimming team to start soon
enough.

Middle daughter has kept up her GPA, made the varsity team as a sophomore
and tested for Futures (Jr Olympic teams). She is going to her first formal
"Homecoming Dance" and submitted a story for the school's literary magazine.

Youngest daughter, is the one with all the projects. Science is moon
observations for a month, Math with a long project with mathematical
definitions and the country from Africa report (notecards, rough draft,
supplements, final draft and presentation).

It seems like more of a "sink or swim" tactic for the students just starting
middle school or maybe it's a test for the parents .... see, how long you
can keep your child sitting in a chair at night looking up and revising
information for a booklet that goes toward a third of their grade??
Luckily, she gets a break with orchestra and her sport team with friends.

Leah aka ( glad to say, draft completed, moon observed and math
definitions understood fully)
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"Education - whether its object be children or adults, individuals or an
entire people - consists in creating motives." ~ SWeil

jake

and you have evidence for lauching this extra ordinary inflammatory
allegation ?

a hidden video camera perhaps ..or do you see it in a crystal ball?


__

Trolls don't destroy groups, people who are either too stupid or too
stubborn to use killfiles destroy their own group.

They're like people who bitch about getting wet but insist on going
out in the rain without an umbrella, then they complain to the
weatherman and expect him to do something about it.

linda

Utter nonsense.

Psychotic symptoms are a common adverse effect of stimulants.

No one has ever disputed stimulants activate psychotic symptoms in a
sizable number of people stimulants are prescribed to.

Even coffee is known to activate symptoms of psychosis, for pete's sake.

The dispute you are referring to was a dispute over the incident rate at
which stimulants cause the brain damage that results in Extrapyrimidal
Symptoms such as Tardive Dyskinesia, Dystonia, Parkinsonism, and Neural
Malingnant Syndrome etc.

It was the incident rate of EPS from stimulants the expert was written to
about, and responded was neglible( except to the unfortunates stimulants do it to)


Do you enjoy withholding information from parents whom are tasked with the
awesome responsibility of weighing the pro's and con's about medicating
their children?

Having no children yourself, you can't begin to imagine what it must be
liked to be tasked with the responsibility of consenting to medicating your
child in a world where culture is pushing for such medication without
concern for the long term welfare of such childrn.


Wrong

4 years AFTER health ministries around the world had the manufacturers of
these neuroleptics include warnings about diabetes and life threatening
hypoglycemia on their labels, the US FDA finally got around to requesting
makers include such warnings on the labels of such drugs sold to american
consumers.

BTW, only Geodon's manufacturer has objected to the FDA having associated
Geodon with diabetes.

linda

Why in the world would you ever expect DeChiera or Mark Morin , or bent
Bentley or Nutso Nurses to have any basis in fact for posting pathological
lies and false accusations about other people?

Mark Morin recently informed us the basis of his posting false accusations
about people is his belief the persons he posts false accusation about can't
prove they his false accusations are false.

The delusion of psychopathic personalities is that people can't see through
them, and their pathological lies and false accusations.

When most people can see right through the people posting lies, and false
accusations abou tother people, so much so, that nobody whom DeChiera, or
Bent Bentley, or Morin or the others post LIES or false accusations about
need to dignify their posting of lies or false accusations with a response.

Their posting of Lies and false accusations is seen for exactly what it
is...a product of their malice towards people whom reject people with
psychopathic personalities who post BS like that.

mark d morin

Don't assert that they are common, come up with some numbers.
If its so common, it shouldn't be so hard.
My bet is that you can't do it.


Yes they have. Define "sizable."


What part of that doesn't refer to hypoglycemia and does apply to your
rants above. If you're gonna say I'm wrong, it would help if you
didn't provide a quote that says I'm right.
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The "anti" group on any subject can stall it forever
by asking an unlimited number of questions and feeding
an unlimited number of fears. And if we require that
something be absolutely safe and absolutely understood
before we use it, we'll never use anything,
because we'll never have absolute understanding.
David Wright 9/20/03

http://home.gwi.net/~mdmpsyd/index.htm