jazz

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i don't understand how this conversation connects to the big conversation of
this "group?" ("bulletin board?") ( i don't know whatever it is, and i'm
sorry if i said that wrong thing, i mean that i said it, if i said it wrong,
and i hope that makes sense) but, i know about how i'm not supposed to read
things under the things called spoilers if i think that it might get me
upset or make me have nightmares or flashbacks or get grossed out of
something like that. but, well, anyway, i'm sorry because i got very
confused about what it said in the beginning. and i didn't know exactly
what a bivalve is, and i still don't. so i thought that it had something to
do with something about somebody's heart. the real, physiological heart.
and then because it said the "bi-nature" thing i thought it was about being
*** in some way, as in bi sxl, since there was that thing about sxl. but i
didn't understand what the sxl things were. i mean nothing seemed sxl in
it. also, i don't thing that being bi or *** or any sort of sxl is crass or
gross, so i don't understand why that was said. i couldn't figure out what
was funny about it either. so, i'm sorry if i'm being stupid, which is
abviously possible, but i don't get it and i don't get the idea of some
"humor" being lowqer or higher than some ot5her humor. i just couldn't
figure out what the humor was, or what anything was. so maybe somebody can
explain it to me. and why there is a little wink and smile after saying
that it is "definitely gross...[and] it ain't gettin any better." i didn't
see anything gross in the spoiled warning.

i'm sorry. i'm just still trying to learn how everythingn 22works here.

i'm sorry and please accept my qapologogies, but please also explain what
this is to me. and another thing that i don't undeerstand is the b***** and
k*****

again, i'm sorry, and thank you
jazz

j.l. thomas

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hello jazz... sorry this got confusing for you. it was
somewhat in the nature of a private joke, and strictly
speaking i suppose it should be considered "off topic.
sometimes ppl put "OT:" in their subject headers to indicate
something that has nothing to do with supporting
dissociatives, but that might be of interest anyway. in
some ways, i was taking a few liberties, but these are
generally considered acceptable, since laughing together is
a very supportive and healing action in itself.

so...let's see if i can help at all... fwiw, i *will* be
talking frankly about s*x.


if i said it wrong,

not supposed to read

"group", "newsgroup". i usually call it the newsgroup, and
abbreviate it "ng" sometimes. call it what you'd like. i'd
suggest "loony b1n", but some ppl have negative connotations with that...


didn't know exactly

i'm sorry if the spoiler was confusing. i try pretty hard
to be careful in my spoilers, but i'm only human. it's
entirely possible that it could have been worded better.

it had something to

a bivalve is "A mollusk, such as an oyster or a clam, that
has a shell consisting of two hinged valves." (dictionary.com)

about sxl. but i it did.

i don't know that i really want to spell things out. i will
if you'd like for me to.

i'm a curious breed of animal - i'm bi***ual, but not
completely comfortable with that, for various reasons. that
is, i know that this is what i am. there's no doubt of that
for me. i don't have a problem with that, nor do i have a
problem with anyone else's orientation, etc. but...in many
ways, my "morality" comes down to being f*ndam*ntalist xian,
and i was raised to believe that there *is* a problem with
non-hetero orientations. i am, therefore, cautious talking
abt my orientation because i forget and erroneously believe
that *everyone* was raised the same way, and that by talking
cautiously, i'll become more acceptable to others.

also, some of the "guys" in my system have a *real* problem
with remembering that what they think of as homosxlty has
nothing to do with what they think of 2 ppl of the same sx
enjoying each other. when they look at it like that, they
have no problems with it. but they have *very* severe
triggers regarding *them* having sx with a man, or with
being thought to be g*y. that word is splatted solely for
MY benefit, in case you wondered.

this is something that we-as-a-person work on quite a bit.

this would also be difficult to explain, and would render
the whole thing totally unfunny, imho.


because so many of the ppl on this group are survivors of
childhood sxl abse, many of them will have serious problems
with humor that's decidedly sxl in nature, and deals with
*very specific* and/or graphic aspects of certain types of
sxlty. that's what i spoilered for. most of the ppl on
this group who've been around awhile probably know that i
have an "earthier" sense of humor, and am much more likely
to make off-color jokes or comments. this is *especially*
true of me in real life, but I actually tend to tone it down
quite a bit for this group. (yes, beauty and kristi, this
is me "toned down". :-D) (beauty, i think, knew this
already. )

i suppose, then, that "off-color" humor, or jokes that one
wouldn't feel comfortable telling in "mixed company" or
whatever, would qualify as "low humor", in this usage.


darn...you *did* ask, didn't you...? *grins*

ok...as i recall...i'd made a comment that bruce (the
houseguest who'd been staying at my house for months) was
like the grain of sand in an oyster shell..basically meaning
an irritant that requires an extra effort to manage. (this
is what produces pearls)

beauty responded that i should keep my clamshell shut...a
humorous nod to previous mentions i'd made to my being
attracted to bruce. the implication was that i should not
have *** with bruce. sand = penis. clamshell = female
***ual organs.

i chuckled, she responded and switched the term to bivalve,
kristi responded to the effect that she likes bivalves,
including bivalve chowder, and innocently mentioned in
passing that she also likes black olives.

i found this decidedly amusing, for various reasons. one is
that, being a female bi***ual, i might also be considered to
enjoy eating bivalves, where eating = the low-brow term for
performing oral ***, and bivalves = female ***ual organs.
this is also where i started appreciating the pun inherent
in "bi-valves", relating to me being bi-***ual, which i know
beauty knows. fwiw, i doubt her original use of the term
was intended to be a pun.

that just makes it funnier.

so...i responded to the effect that bivalve chowder is
highly reminiscent of performing oral *** on a woman, in
many aspects. i am NOT spelling THAT out! :-D

i also hinted broadly that black olives taste like ******l secretions to me.


better."

some people find such specific references to performing oral
*** on a woman to be gross - as in grotesque, not as in
numbering 144. saying "it ain't gettin any better" was by
way of being an anticipatory comment to those "in the know"
that what i'd be writing would be amusing, imho. it was
also more a reference to my use of bad puns than anything
else. the smiley, then, was to let people know that i was
enjoying the fact that it wasn't getting any better - better
being a relative term describing the quality of the humor,
and having nothing to do with the sxl acts in question.


"spoilered", if you please. while my jokes may be
rotten, i'd hate to think they've completely spoiled.
(that was a joke.)

22works here.

that's not a problem. i'm glad you're willing to ask, and i
have no problem trying to explain. i'm just not entirely
sure that you really *wanted* this explained. but...we do our humble best.


b***** refers to beauty, and k***** refers to kristi. as
these were the two people participating in the other thread
where the discussions were taking place, i wanted them to
have a bit of an idea that this thread was to them,
specifically. i chose not to write their names out in full
because some people are triggered by seeing their names in
subject headers. i was attempting to be subtle for that reason.

no apologies necessary, jazz. i have no problems
explaining, especially when i've been somewhat coy in an
effort to extract the greatest humor value from an expired
equine.

one of my greater pleasures in life is playing with words.
i do hope my explanations have helped.

Luc, for jt (with others, perhaps, earlier)


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smile

well-adjusted."