mad uninformed medically max

It is understood though loosely associated, that humanity is working towards
unity. Oh, for sure we take a step forwards, 2 back, 3 more forward and so
on. So, falteringly, we move towards the distant horizon - you know the
place; it has grass that is greener and seas that are calm.

While we move towards that horizon, we make advances, albeit slowly in real
time though recently quite fast when viewed in the context of the last few
thousand years. Such advances include DNA profiling, mapping and that does
distract us from the ultimate advance we are making, silently, just outside
the limelight. We make advances in nano-technology. What was once a science
fiction story has actually had it's first success though basically the nano
robot only knows on and off. You might wonder how much information a microbe
sized robot could possibly store and yes for some time it was a concern.
Floating along with nano-technology advances, though, was the old Einstein
inspired Multiverse concept, the one in which he ultimately proved that not
all light that can be recorded actually started from within this universe.
From that point, Quantum Computing started to slowly evolve and that also
has had it's first faltering tests and been successful in a small way. All
of this, should you require confirmation, can be found in simple web
searches. Knock yourselves out feasting on the information!

.....but what of it? Surely, a quantum computing nano robot could basically
know anything that we required it to know from on and off to the limits of
our knowledge as almost all of the computing wouldn't be done in this
universe but what good is it? Sure, we may have another tool in the war
against cancer and other ills but surely there must be more to it and this
is where the concept of Gaia steps in. It, too, is an old science fiction
concept but as with other science fiction concepts, it may be close to
becoming a reality. Consider the advantages of having a microbe sized
computer implanted in you that can contact your neural pathways and give you
the information you request as quickly as dredging up a memory of an event
you experienced. Nothing known to man need be beyond your grasp but then
what exactly does THAT mean? Well, sure, public knowledge will be available
but ultimately it is drawing close to the time where minds will be able to
link like computers link in instant chat on Internet right now. If we
disregard, for the moment, the obvious problems that may crop up from that,
consider this. You have a problem that seems insurmountable but is a
personal problem. You consult the instant knowledge bank and the wisdom of
the world comes back to you. Your local nano-robot is programmed to condense
all that incoming data into a best answer possible so basically polls the
data if you like. Your answer is now with you. After a time of taking, an
evolving mind growing from child to human will feel the need to share the
ac***ulated wisdom it possesses with others, too. It is a natural human
thing after all. When you synchronise with the world net, though, again your
incoming ratio will be filtered and your output added to the load of data
available for others with problems you know about. Eventually you wont even
notice you have solved a problem because the total mind power of all
individuals in this situation and online at any given moment will be like a
super mind available to all and you will basically commune with it rather
than pass information along like this newsgroup article.

Will the communion of minds reach an "ignition point" and cause the
outgrowth of a true mind that depends on the total of the minds of humanity?
I believe so. If so, we now have "Gaia", that state of unity where all minds
know all things and no-one need be afraid of each other any longer. In
short, we are building our own golden era from the ashes of our current
conflicts and if we can just limit those conflicts for another 50 or so
years, our descendants will be living out the type of life we all only read
about in idealistic notes and science fiction stories. Everyone will work
for the betterment of humanity and from that point, who knows? What is the
total power of the unused "cycles" of a unified human mind?

Are we creating our own version of "God on Earth"?

It's an old concept to be sure but as science fiction writers of old
theorised about a future society where it may happen, we live in the shadows
of the reality of the event. You don't have to "Watch the skies". Just keep
reading the news and science articles and be dumbfounded about the science
fiction events you read about coming true.

michael

Hey, Max... major meme.

Read David Brin's "Earth".

It's a *tiny* bit dated, but it's a good read, and it's a very nifty turn on
the idea of Gaia... including some of what you mention below.

((U))
M

In <news:gTkVa.40$Uy4.2290@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au>,
Mad Uninformed Medically Max said:

mad uninformed medically max

P.S. - yes I just saw that after posting the other message. Typically me. Dunno what a meme is. Looked it up in my dictionary and not there. Can I be so rude as to ask what you mean please? Sorry for that!!

UM.

michael

In <news:gkXVa.2$Qx6.280@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au>,
Mad Uninformed Medically Max said:

Memes are just ideas and the like which find their way into general
circulation, Max. :-)

Main Entry: meme
Pronunciation: 'mEm
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration of mimeme, from mim- (as in mimesis) + -eme
Date: 1976
: an idea, behavior, style, or usage that spreads from person to person
within a culture

((U))
M

mad uninformed medically max

Oh OK ta for that. Gaia is ancient. I am not sure how many thousands of years old it is to be honest. However, like many things now being rediscovered, it was all but lost in time. Hopefully, now, people will get the notion. All the clues are there. Follow the signs. That's all they need to do and this isnt any form of religious or new age stuff either. It just is.

UM.

mad uninformed medically max

Ahh no it was actually an idea much older than that. He may have been the first western civilisation person to do it but the idea has been around and proposed as I said much longer.


Yeah it has always been untenable even though without realising it, we all work towards it. The idea is basically the antithesis of Chaos Theory. Eg, if you live long enough and have eyes, ears, a mind and use the lot, then you tend to note patterns that may start smooth, go astray and come back to smooth again in all works and walks of life. Even in my own life, I could see a pattern as if a guiding hand were pushing me where I went through different jobs and industries to a point before being sick, where the exposure I had in previous jobs ended up in me being in a good job, company car etc. Then, when I got sick, exposure in all those jobs and basic interest pushed me to do the little I do for income now. It's a state of mind that you can attain to believe all things go right for a purpose but say that aloud and everyone starts talking religious ways which really, it isnt. Everything seems to work towards order. Grab a bag of marbles and spill them and note how they are chaotic at first and work their way into order before stopping. Nothing humanity did up until a short while ago seemed to be able to progress the idea beyond what it has always been all this time, though. That is to say that if it were to take a step closer to reality, the only thing that anyone could figure out to cause that to happen would be mutation of the human race into being with ESP. Well, recent technological advances have given us a different avenue to explore. We may eventually become those ESP gifted people in everyday life in a few centuries but before that will come the technological edge. We will have a linking of minds, closer understanding and all that goes with that if we dont nuke ourselves into oblivion beforehand, within the next 100 years due to technology. It will be a faltering time, a lot of mistrust and as usual, the guardians of the moral right will tell us it is against God and freedom but there will be many who want this, many who are daring enough to do anything and many with various good reasons enough to make the beginning of Gaia a reality.

I am not pushing an issue here. I am just putting forward the idea that the traditional path of enlightenment we heretofore thought would be the only way to achieve this golden era, though still remaining a possibility in the future that we will attain, wont be the direct avenue we travel. We are going to use the hyperspace shunt and project our minds into this if we arent all dead as a race by then. Whether I am right and Gaia is kickstarted at that point or whether Star Trek is right and the Borg come of it remain to be seen of course. All I am doing is following trends to logical conclusions. Technology affects us physically and to some extent, mentally now. When it is more personal, it will tend to blend and that blending may be Gaia and the start of the mutation to that distant sublime being to which we aspire. It's all in the hands of GW Bush, Saddam Hussein and counterparts right now and maybe it is about time the populace of the planet got together and decided we dont like despotic dictators, democratic dictators and in my country's case, right wingers bordering on fascism who do nothing more than toady to Europe and America. We should start getting rid of the politicians and forming a Govt that truly is for the human race no matter what clothes you wear, what faith you believe in, what colour your skin is or who you know. Time for, as the science fiction writers often term it - Earth Federation - which is the Earth's people working towards the good of all, not in a communistic or benevolent feudal way but in a true enlightened way. Yep and that is about as likely as a race of aliens hitting the beaches and pushing us all together to work as one, hey?

UM.

rob duncan

"Michael" <muirhead@island.net> wrote in message news:bg4nib01jo9@enews3.newsguy.com...


You know that is the very first reply I have gotten on that.

Gaia is a very real and very old concept actually and is more along the
lines of everyone becoming in tune, mentally and emotionally with each other
and actually the Earth itself and all living things on it. Well, right now I
would say the majority of humanity does not possess the abilities needed to
do that though I leave open the possibility that some can do that but of
course dont want to be dissected so tell no-one, which is a good idea.

However, with all that, we are coming to an age which, I believe will be
here before this century is out if we dont kill each other beforehand. That
age will be uncomfortable to a lot of people for a lot of reasons but I
believe technology will lead the charge and over time we may become more
attuned as a race and not need the technology ultimately. We are, in my
humble opinion, not very far off a Golden Age so long as we dont allow those
who wish to dominate succeed. The only thing that scares me from there is
the possibility that in a union of minds, there will be someone with a will
to dominate. The idea of Gaia being a reality means that the mind of the
entire planet needs time to mature so it can fix these problems on it's own
without conscious intervention on the part of anyone or any group. If this
can happen, then the people living in that age will be truly blesses and
will know what the saying - Heaven on Earth - really does mean. This is why
I put forward the idea that we may be creating our own version of God on
Earth. It isnt to say that God doesnt exist before anyone gets upset but it
is the ultimate idea of humanity that it can evolve closer to God if you
prefer to look at it that way. If we can make a Heaven of Earth we have
reached the union of minds and the perfection towards which we all aspire.
There is one other way to look at it too. When the majority are part of Gaia
the minority will feel left out and will attempt to subvert it. If they join
in an attempt to subvert and are shown the truth, they may also become part
of the unity or maybe they wont attempt that and start dropping bombs.
Either way, the start of Gaia is the start of a Golden Era that needs
protecting and like it or not, so long as we arent all nuked by then, it is
within this century that it will start. Technology is making it inevitable
as we feel the need for more information more quickly.

UM.

I couldnt disagree more. Its not in humanities nature to become part of
anything. We're individuals. Not pieces to a larger puzzle. Not Borg.
Not part of some imaginary concept of Gaia. Ill retain my idividuality, as
will virtually all people with half a brain... thank you very much. Too
many people agreeing on anything is bad news in my book.

(writing large paragraphs without interuption is difficult to read btw)


Rob

rob duncan

Is your formatting different or something? WHy is it so hard to read your
stuff? The length of the sentances are too long or something. How can I
fix that? LOL that sounded funny. What I mean is that the width on the
screen is too wide. (not to mention that you dont like to make paragraphs)
;^)


Rob


"Michael" <muirhead@island.net> wrote in message news:bga86h028p2@enews1.newsguy.com...

Ahh no it was actually an idea much older than that. He may have been the
first western civilisation person to do it but the idea has been around and
proposed as I said much longer.


Yeah it has always been untenable even though without realising it, we all
work towards it. The idea is basically the antithesis of Chaos Theory. Eg,
if you live long enough and have eyes, ears, a mind and use the lot, then
you tend to note patterns that may start smooth, go astray and come back to
smooth again in all works and walks of life. Even in my own life, I could
see a pattern as if a guiding hand were pushing me where I went through
different jobs and industries to a point before being sick, where the
exposure I had in previous jobs ended up in me being in a good job, company
car etc. Then, when I got sick, exposure in all those jobs and basic
interest pushed me to do the little I do for income now. It's a state of
mind that you can attain to believe all things go right for a purpose but
say that aloud and everyone starts talking religious ways which really, it
isnt. Everything seems to work towards order. Grab a bag of marbles and
spill them and note how they are chaotic at first and work their way into
order before stopping. Nothing humanity did up until a short while ago
seemed to be able to progress the idea beyond what it has always been all
this time, though. That is to say that if it were to take a step closer to
reality, the only thing that anyone could figure out to cause that to happen
would be mutation of the human race into being with ESP. Well, recent
technological advances have given us a different avenue to explore. We may
eventually become those ESP gifted people in everyday life in a few
centuries but before that will come the technological edge. We will have a
linking of minds, closer understanding and all that goes with that if we
dont nuke ourselves into oblivion beforehand, within the next 100 years due
to technology. It will be a faltering time, a lot of mistrust and as usual,
the guardians of the moral right will tell us it is against God and freedom
but there will be many who want this, many who are daring enough to do
anything and many with various good reasons enough to make the beginning of
Gaia a reality.

I am not pushing an issue here. I am just putting forward the idea that the
traditional path of enlightenment we heretofore thought would be the only
way to achieve this golden era, though still remaining a possibility in the
future that we will attain, wont be the direct avenue we travel. We are
going to use the hyperspace shunt and project our minds into this if we
arent all dead as a race by then. Whether I am right and Gaia is kickstarted
at that point or whether Star Trek is right and the Borg come of it remain
to be seen of course. All I am doing is following trends to logical
conclusions. Technology affects us physically and to some extent, mentally
now. When it is more personal, it will tend to blend and that blending may
be Gaia and the start of the mutation to that distant sublime being to which
we aspire. It's all in the hands of GW Bush, Saddam Hussein and counterparts
right now and maybe it is about time the populace of the planet got together
and decided we dont like despotic dictators, democratic dictators and in my
country's case, right wingers bordering on fascism who do nothing more than
toady to Europe and America. We should start getting rid of the politicians
and forming a Govt that truly is for the human race no matter what clothes
you wear, what faith you believe in, what colour your skin is or who you
know. Time for, as the science fiction writers often term it - Earth
Federation - which is the Earth's people working towards the good of all,
not in a communistic or benevolent feudal way but in a true enlightened way.
Yep and that is about as likely as a race of aliens hitting the beaches and
pushing us all together to work as one, hey?

UM.

glen appleby

When I read what the URL had to say, I was reminded of what many
of the Native American groups did. They were quite in tune with
nature but allowed for individuality (one could differ from the
decisions of the group, but they were expected to let the group
know how their actions went, so that everybody could learn).
They may have been around and doing this for tens of thousands of
years.

The idea just isn't that strange or unusual.

--
"Who we are and who we become depends, in part, on whom we love."
-- "A General Theory Of Love" Thanks, Mom __________________________________________________ ____________
Glen Appleby glena@armory.com <HTTP://www.armory.com/~glena/>

mad uninformed medically max

Rats. I didnt see Rob's post probably because most of the time I seem to glaze over his other posts. Sorry Rob but it is true for me.

The idea Rob missed is, in some respects, actually explained by some science fiction authors. We retain out own individuality while becoming a unity. We dont become a hive mind so to speak. We become enlightened. Like it or not, Rob, that is exactly where we are heading.

UM.