erwin marriott

Hi,
Can anyone please advise. I have suffered with Left leg odema for years
(I'm 49 now)
Lately even diuretics won't relieve the problem its got to the extent that I
have to wear open backed shoes for working (ward nursing) my foot is
intermittently cellulitic.

My GP won't refer me for an operation saying that it may not work, it may
become worse, it will look ugly. The Reg on our ward said I should insist he
refers me. When I quoted this, he said 'what does he want me to write to the
consultant? - that you need a good artery replaced with another good one? I
feel that I must now insist he refer me. I have only a heart murmer and
asthma. Though 19 years ago I caught my heel in a grid and continued to
work with an inflamed foot as we were short staffed.
Denise.
Please reply to group or deancaev@yahoo.co.uk

ironjustice

I would do a search in Medline using the search words 'tocopherol and edema'
which will bring up studies which show a direct correlation between a lack of
tocopherol and edema.

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kurtullman

Ah yes, Iron man Doe, the main who personifies if "all you have is a
hammer, everything begins to look like a nail." Even the Middle East crisis
could be cured with the proper iron balance.

--
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the bastards."-- Claire Wolfe

ironjustice

Actually .. if you were having even one tenth of a percent of the success
{recommendation of your intervention] that I am having .. you might have a
right to comment .. but since you don't ..

Read my lips ..

Minerva Cardioangiol 2001 Apr;49(2):159-63

[Effectiveness of the combination of alpha tocopherol, rutin, melilotus, and
centella asiatica in the treatment of patients with chronic venous
insufficiency.]
[Article in Italian]


Cataldi A, Gasbarro V, Viaggi R, Soverini R, Gresta E, Mascoli F
Unita Operativa Chirurgia Vascolare, Arcispedale S. Anna, Turin, Italy.
alberto.cataldi@galactica.it

BACKGROUND: The aim of this comparative clinical study was to evaluate the
efficacy of the association of alphatocopherol, rutin, melilotus officinalis,
and centella asiatica with oral administration in patients with chronic venous
insufficiency. METHODS: Thirty patients with chronic venous insufficiency have
been randomized in two groups of fif**** subjects (control and treatment
group). During the period of treatment the patients didn't wear
elastocompressive stockings. The the****utic efficacy and the clinical
tolerability of this association have been valued with clinical-instrumental
evaluations and by a control after 15 and 30 days. Functional bothers, cramps
and the edema have been valued in function presence and of their gravity with a
clinical-score between 0 and 4. RESULTS: At the end of the observation period,
a significant improvement of the clinical simptomatology was obtained,
characterised by a diminution of the sovrafascial edema. CONCLUSIONS: The
present study confirms previous clinical experiences regarding the described
treatment and suggests its application in chronic venous insufficiency.

Publication Types:


Clinical trial
Randomized controlled trial
PMID: 11292962, UI: 21189460


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kurtullman

Define success. I hope it is more than one lone Italian study.


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to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the bastards."-- Claire Wolfe

ironjustice

Intervention now recommended for more people than any other intervention in
history ..

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anneke andriessen

O dear I just saw where this was going.
Some of the search-engine terms I concocted some time ago for an article.


Pathofysiology of edema

Microcirculation, Starling's law -flow balance, fluid transfer balance,
hydrostatic pressure ,osmotic pressure, net filtration.

Further factors.

Perfusion volume, trans-capillary exchange surfaces, microcirculation
hemodynamics, interstitial pressure, vessel permeability, inflammatory
processes in chronic edema, oncotic edema, hydrostatic edema.

Some-one is being a glorious ass to have an opinion without having seen the
patient. Any-one into telemedicine knows there are complex areas that you do
not want ot enter.

Anneke

kurtullman

By who? ANd you doing it 100,000 times a year only counts once. I am sure
if you put your mind to it, you could come up with even more nebulous and
non-informative claims. Try harder.

--
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the bastards."-- Claire Wolfe

ironjustice

http://archive.mail-list.com/hbv_research/msg03159.html

This article states .. "effective alternative to interferon" .. so that is
MILLIONS of people with hepatitis .. who would otherwise go untreated ..

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/439591_1

And this article states for over fifty percent of diabetics ..

That would be MILLIONS of people ..

Iron reduction therapy ..

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