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1 7th May 06:50
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There is a new site and message board with information about lithium
orotate, which is an inexpensive, safe and natural treatment for
bipolar disorder (manic depression), ADD and ADHD, Alzheimer's,
depression, alcoholism and other conditions. Lithium orotate works
very well for many people in the place of prescription medications,
and has with no side effects.

This new site does not prescribe anything, sell any products nor
profit in any way from the information and discussions posted there.

Its purpose is education, discussion, support, sharing experiences,
asking questions and receiving input and insight from others there
regarding their experiences with and knowledge of lithium orotate.

Anyone with an interest in exploring lithium orotate is invited.
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2 7th May 06:50
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Q: Lithium Orotate (mineral transporter)

I have heard that the natural mineral form of Lithium when combined with a
mineral transporter can be many times more effective than Lithium carbonate
without the risk of toxicity and other side effects. Is this a viable
treatment option for someone who has been diagnosed with Bipolar II

Thank you in advance for your thoughts.

A: Hello Ms. V' --

Glad you asked, because I'll bet other folks have wondered about this too,
and there's an important lesson to be learned here, I think. I presume
you're talking about the stuff sold by Serenity Now, right?

First question to ask: **where's the evidence?** Maybe there is some;
maybe this is a great new thing. So, off we go to the website, and your job
is to find some evidence that this stuff works as they say it does (hint:
here's the crucial claim: "When Serenity is used the lithium is rapidly
transported into the cells so that the levels of lithium in the blood remain
low"). Web address:

Or, if that didn't work, maybe we can get more evidence from this other site
that talks more about the originator of this idea, Dr. Hans Nieper. Here's
a site for that, and you can go there with the same job: find some evidence,
besides the "say-so" of the writer of the site: Arrowheadhealthworks. Or,
if you still haven't seen evidence, you could search further (I'm on
reference 3 from a Google search for "lithium mineral transport"). Now you
come to a paper that seems likely to provide evidence for this idea, if
there is any: How orotate works.

**You don't have to dig too deep in this paper to wonder if the references
are there just to dazzle, not to do***ent the basis for something being
effective**. But let's look at the specifics for lithium, which are down in
the next to last paragraph before the references. There you'll find a
single reference regarding the idea that lithium transport is different when
orotic acid (the "transport enhancer" in question) is present. **It's from
1971. A single experiment testing mRNA synthesis in rat brain**.

This is crucial to understanding ***what somebody is trying to do to you***.
They are basing a treatment on an experiment that has never been done in
humans. These are the kind of experiments that are necessary, but precede
the research to demonstrate that a treatment is effective, usually by
several if not many years. We can presume that the orotate research never
reached the point of being tested in humans, because if it had, the more
recent work would have been the reference to cite in this paper.

Now, for the fun part. I really get a kick out of this. Take a look at the
warning one of these sites posts, regarding the need for the buyer to
beware; and then compare my warning; and see which one makes more sense to
you, especially in terms of this lithium/orotate business ("business": that'
probably a very appropriate term here).

***Thanks for spurring this little romp through the difference between
evidence and $$$***.

Dr. Phelps

Bipolar World 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003
Founder: Colleen Sullivan
Bipolar World Partners: Allie Bloom, John Haeckel, Kaycee Supak
Bipolar World Advisors: Caroline, David Lilley
Email Us at Bipolar World
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3 7th May 06:50
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Jonathan V. Wright, M.D. is an "expert" quoted on above URL.

Not surprisingly, he is also a member of "The American Quack Association"
(see below)

From Quackwatch:

AQA's president and cofounder was **Jonathan V. Wright, M.D**., a Harvard
graduate who obtained his medical degree at the University of Michigan and
began practicing "nutritional medicine" in 1973 at his Tahoma Clinic in
Kent, Washington, a few miles southeast of Seattle. He and Alan Gaby, M.D.,
of Baltimore, give seminars for health professionals on "Nutrition as
Therapy," which present their theories in detail. (AQA's first 16 members
were recruited at the May 1985 seminar.) Wright also operates the Meridian
Valley Laboratory, a facility that does many nonstandard tests. From 1993
through 1998,

**Wright helped lead the National Health Federation, a group whose primary
goal is to abolish government regulation of health-care activities**.

In the early 1990s, **Wright achieved considerable notoriety battling the
FDA**. The dispute surfaced in July 1991 when **law enforcement officers
seized 103 bottles of L-tryptophan** from the For Your Health Pharmacy,
adjacent to Wright's clinic. The **FDA had banned the marketing of
L-tryptophan after it was implicated in an outbreak of eosinophilia-myalgia
syndrome**, **but Wright continued to prescribe it**. In August 1991, he
filed suit, asserting that the outbreak was due to a contaminant and that
his tryptophan was safe and therefore legal to dispense. The suit also asked
the court to return the product and bar the FDA from "unreasonably
interfering" with his ability to exercise clinical judgment in treating

In February 1992, Wright's clinic posted a notice claiming that
state-licensed physicians are "exempt from the restrictions and regulations
of the federal Food and Drug Administration as a matter of federal law."

The notice also stated that "no employee, agent or inspector of the FDA
shall be permitted on these premises."

During a "Larry King Live" television broadcast, an FDA official said that
the agency became interested in Wright's activities after someone complained
that he was prescribing L-tryptophan and sending people to the pharmacy to
have the prescriptions filled. Wright maintained that he had a right to do
this because his supply was not contaminated.

When Larry King asked why he thought the FDA ban did not apply to him,
Wright replied, "My lawyer said I could use it."
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4 7th May 06:50
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(snipped damn good article)

Y'know, if it floats like a duck and it ducks like a duck it must be a

(no, not a witch, you diehard Python fanboys)

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5 7th May 06:50
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You're quoting from Quackwatch?? LOL!

Quackwatch has long been a very controversial site because it is a
webite with an agenda. And that agenda appears to be trashing
anything outside of drug-company medical options.

A little Internet search would yield a fascinating array of both pro
and con information all over the board about Quackwatch.

Also, I challenge you to find ANY treatment outside of standard
prescription-drug treatment option that is not trashed by Quackwatch.
Plus, even though there's all kinds of interesting information out
there like:

Doctors are the third leading cause of death in the United States - as
reported by the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA)
Vol. 284, July 26, 2000,


Prescription drugs are the Fourth leading cause of death as reported
by American Family Physician - Vol 56, No 7, November 1, 1997,

I also challenge you to find THOSE little tidbits of information
anywhere at Quackwatch!

"Dr." Barrett of Quackwatch obviously does not present a balanced
picture of any treatment discussed at Quackwatch. Any treatment or
procedure will have its share of failures, misuses, etc., as the
articles above so aptly demonstrate about the standard medical route.
But he singles out ALL forms of every alternative therapy to the
exclusion of any positive benefit of any kind ever from them. He also
almost completely ignores the HUGE amount of negative information
about almost EVERY prescription med or treatment that exists!

Quackwatch?? Surely you can do better than that! )

Look, I have no interest in involving myself in your bashfest. I only
don't want someone to possibly not look research lithium orotate as an
option because something ridiculous that got posted here went
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6 17th May 21:58
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Its agenda is that it supports medicine based on science. Not claims, not
anectdotes, or on the false assumption of the superiority of "natural" treatments.

Any reliable scientific evidence against it? No.

He is a doctor. Of medicine.

If there was reliable scientific evidence that they worked, they wouldn't be
"alternative." Alternative only means unproven, not superior or rebelious.

By unreliable and agenda driven sources. Not science.
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7 17th May 21:58
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"No side effects" you say?

Maybe you should see:
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8 20th May 18:14
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The intake of any lithium product should be monitored by blood level tests
to avoid toxicity and maintain effective dosage. I feel lithium is a
reliable and very effective medication for mood stabilization when taken
under supervision.

On a side note..........7UP at one time contained lithium as a mellowing

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9 20th May 18:14
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Hmmm. In the US in the 1940s lithium chloride was used as a substitute for
table salt (sodium chloride) in hypertensives on low-sodium diets, and
deaths resulted from lithium toxicity. Subsequently all lithium preparations
were withdrawn from the marketplace.

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