bryan heit

False. On both the stats for measles in the UK, and on the nor proven
useful:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docsu m http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docsu m


Reality: Vaccine-associated deaths do occur, but they are thousands of
time rarer then the rates of death caused by the disease being
vaccinated against:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docsu m
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docsu m


Absolutely 100% false. The use of vitamin c, as well as several other
vitamins and minerals, as disease curatives has been extensively
studied, and the results clearly demonstrate minimal effects:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um

Title says it all:
"Vitamin E and Vitamin C Supplementation does not Improve the Clinical
Course of Measles with Pneumonia in Children: a Controlled Trial."

Vitamin C does not prevent colds, although it may slightly decrease
their duration:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um

Extra Vit C has no benefit if immunocomprisied patients have proper diet: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docsu m


Reality: One form of the MMR vaccine, which was distributed
predominantly in Japan, contained a form of inactivated virus which
resulted in disease in a small number of people. This vaccine was not
widely distributed elsewhere, and has since been redesigned using
another form of inactivated virus. Since then (1993) no MMR-associated
infections have been reported in healthy people:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um


Reality: DPT is very safe, whereas the diseases it protects us against
are some of the most deadly pathogens we encounter. The most common
side-effect of DPT vaccination are the same as other vaccines -
pain/swelling at the injection site, fever and rash. On the other had,
this is what the diseases do to you, if you're not vaccinated:

Diphtheria:
http://www.idph.state.il.us/about/im...iphtheria2.htm
http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksd...10figure44.jpg
http://www.vaccineinformation.org/ph...iphcdc002a.jpg
http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksd...10figure43.jpg

Pertussis:
http://www.cispimmunize.org/fam/dtp/pert/fam_pert.html
http://www.g-netz.de/Gesundheit_A-Z/.../pertussis.jpg
http://www.idph.state.il.us/about/im.../pertussis.htm
http://www.brown.edu/Courses/Bio_160...ussis/HOME.htm

Warning: first link has a disturbing video

Tetanus:
http://www.vaccineinformation.org/tetanus/photos.asp
http://www.coldbacon.com/pics/tetanus.jpg
http://www.rivm.nl/infectieziektenbu...26/tetanus.jpg


And a few other diseases John would rather our children get, in order to
avoid the extremely rare, and generally mild, side-effects of
vaccination (warning, disturbing pictures):

http://www.ilmaternal.org/CAIC/VPDinfo.htm

one has to ask - why does John hate children so much?

Absolutely, 100% false. A massive number of clinical trials,
retrospective studies and laboratory experiments have completely,
utterly and thoroughly debunked any evidence that MMR, or any other
vaccine, leads to autism:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_DocS um
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_DocS um
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_DocS um
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um

And the recent increase in the rates of autism have been conclusively
shown to be a result of . . .

.. . . improved recording and a change in the clinical definition of autism: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docs um


Point being? Name one thing - just one thing - in life which is 100%
safe. You can't because every little thing we do has some degree of
risk associated with it. Driving, walking, even just standing up, all
have risks associated with them. So, for that matter, does sleeping,
eating, getting exercise, going shopping, eating vegetables, etc, etc, etc.

As you can clearly see in my links above numerous studies have looked at
the safety of MMR, and other vaccines, and found that the risk of
vaccinations is far, far less then that of not being vaccinated at all.

Welcome to the real world, a world where nothing is 100% safe; it's all
a matter of risk reduction. And when you look at the numbers they speak
loud and clear - the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks -
1,000,000:1.

Bryan

john

Bollocks, see the stats http://www.whale.to/m/measlesdeaths1.html

Bollocks. Measles daeths had declined by 99.4% before vaccination. Go
figure. And vitamin C would prevent all deaths as proven clinically by dr
Klenner MD http://www.whale.to/m/klenner.html and Dr Kalokerinos MD
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/kalokerinos.html a nd recorded by dr levy MD
with 2,000 peer review references http://www.whale.to/a/levy4.html

So measles vax in MMR is not only ineffective in preventing deaths, as
proven by the stats, but also unecessary due to vitamin C.


Shows how much you know http://www.whale.to/a/levy_h.html

"Many viral infectious diseases have been cured and can continue to be
cured by the proper administration of Vitamin C. Yes, the vaccinations for
these treatable infectious diseases are completely unnecessary when one has
the access to proper treatment with vitamin C. And, yes, all the side
effects of vaccinations...are also completely unnecessary since the
vaccinations do not have to be given in the first place with the
availability of properly dosed vitamin C."---Dr Thomas Levy M.D., J.D.
(Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases and Toxins p30)

CHRONIC SCURVY Vitamin C Deficiency as a Cause of Heart Disease by Owen R.
Fonorow PhD, MS, MBA http://www.whale.to/a/fonorow.html

Bollocks. It is just Epidemiology http://www.whale.to/vaccine/mmr54.html
all of which have been shredded, and Epidemiologic Evidence Is Insufficient
To Prove There Is No Link Between The MMR Vaccine And Autism http://www.whale.to/a/epidemiology_q.html

Bollocks http://www.whale.to/a/autism_diagnosis.html

"If the epidemic is truly an artifact of poor diagnosis," scoffs Dr. Boyd
Haley, one of the world's authorities on mercury toxicity, "then where are
all the twenty-year-old autistics?" (Excerpts from Deadly Immunity)


Sophistry. Breastfeeding is the best way to immunise, and it is safe,
unless you have a vaccine to sell.

Yeah, but we don't believe it, we can see with our own eyes it is bollocks.
And they were all funded by the vaccine maker


Bollocks and sophistry.

vaccine-man

There you go again, confusing john with facts.