h1r3z

Look who's talking. Don't make general sweeping statements like that when
you have no idea who you are talking to. From what I've seen of your posts,
you have little room for such comments.


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the puppy wizard

HOWEDY h1r3z,

THAT'S HOWE COME you're supposed
to use your KILLFILE. You're replying to
The Amazing Puppy Wizard and you failed
to snip EMBARRASSIN cross posts AND
put NINNYBOY in the subject header.


RIGHT. THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing
Puppy Wizard QUOTES HOWER MENTAL CASES CASE HISTORIES.


Looks like YOU responded to "HOWEDY MENTAL CASES."


Have you filed your own mental health case
history withe CEO aka Soup? You could get
pushed over the goddamened edge and HURT
yourself playin here abHOWETS if we're not
aware of your SENSITIVITIES.


INDEED. THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing
Puppy Wizard RELIES ON QUOTING HOWER
LYING DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASES.

Like THIS QUOTE, from YOU:

"No worries then :-) As 4 trashing my home, the
dog does a pretty good job of that on his own,
so it prob wouldn't be 2 noceable ;-)"

That way there's no SUBJECTIVITY. You
can SEE FOR YOURSELF who's hurtin
and murderin dogs and LYING abHOWET it.

Their MENTAL HEALTH CARE CASE HISTORIES
provide INSIGHT into HOWE COME these MENTALLY
ILL dog abusers HURT dogs and LIE abHOWET it and
HOWE COME dog lovers like yourself COMPLAIN
abHOWET The Amazing Puppy Wizard IDENTIFYING
E***POSING and DISCREDITING HOWER Gang
Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards and ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES.

So, you're either a dog abuser a liar a coward
a mental case, OR, you been lickin a Buffo.

WELCOME!~

Here's a PARTIAL list of CERTIFIED MENTALLY
ILL DOG ABUSERS and LIARS who are respected
posters here abHOWETS:

WORDS OF WISDOM
from our own Lynn Kosmakos
1200mg Of Lithium And 50 mg Of Zoloft Every Day
For Twenty Years

I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM

"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder
(manic-depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium
and 50 mg of Zoloft every day.

I, also, care about dogs and use this forum
to learn more, while happily sharing pertinent
information I have learned.

But if I were ever to post such sh*t, I would hope
that every other reader of this group would be
rightfully outraged."

"Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
the right to participate in by observing the easily
understood rules and contributing to in
constructive ways."

Lynn K.

---------------------------------------

LYNN K. and LOIS E, and a BiLateral, BiPolar
conversation on Mental problems. LYNN AND
LOIS Almost 50 years on mental illness medications
combined -----------------------------------------


"It wasn't that meds didn't work for her - she
wouldn't take
them. I particularly remember a comment she made about
scarey side effects of Lithium.

Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think I'm qualified
to say that the very low risk of any side effect is
far less frightening than the very real dangers of
life without it."

Lynn K.
-----------------------------------------

LYNN K. and the UNQUIET MIND
----------------------------------------

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosmakos@home.com)
Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
Date: 1999/09/03
BoxHill wrote:


Yeah. It's interesting, but kind of watered down
for the mass market, if you know what I mean.
There's really quite a
lot of good work out there and decent research. Thank
God.

Lynn K.
---------------------------------------

MOTHER AND CHILD REUNION "KUCKOO!! CUCKOO!!!" MOTHER
(LOIS E.) 22 YEARS on TRICYCLICS, DAUGHTER BIPOLAR...
YOU DO THE MATH

"What's really terrific, is now days you can say
proudly, 'I take anti-depressives'"

-------------------------------------

From: Gary & lois Edwards (garyl@bmi.net)
Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
Date: 1999/09/02

BEEN ON TRICYCLICS FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS

"I don't take lithium, but I've been on trycyclics
for about 22 years. Been there, done that, have the
t-shirt to prove it. What's really terrific, is now
days you can say proudly,

"I take anti-depressives". Back when I started
taking them it was seen as something shameful.

If you cut your leg off, and were lying there with
a bleeding stump, you'd never let the word
depressed, pass your lips, or the doc's would
say, "You're depressed, on medication? Well,
can't have any pain meds.....you could become
addicted."

The good old days. I actually had a Great Aunt
who's father locked her in her room back in the
twenties because she was simple.

A shame that medication probably would
have helped her live a normal life.

No Denna, I was just saying with Darlene's
personality, she has a way of making grandiose
plans when at the top of her manic cycle....as
does my daughter.

I wasn't saying that anyone with problems could
be counted on to be irresponsible."

Lois E.
-------------------------------------

MENTAL ILLNESS IN RPD* Mental illness is a public
issue in these newsgroups. People are always running
around calling other people mentally ill and
diagnosing their illnesses.

I think it's only fair that we have an accurate list
of who is and who isn't mentally ill, so that we can
avoid any misunderstandings and promote group harmony.

Updated KUCKOO!! KUCKOOO! DING!
DING! DING! list as of 12/21/2003:


list of confirmed or suspected mentally ill (crazy)
Regulars Most of whom are women or homo***uals


RPD CRAZY PERSON ROLL CALL and BIOS

=======================================

NESSA NUTCASE MVP (Most Valuable Psycho)
of dog newsgroups


Successfully dethroned MaryBeth as MVP

Nessa blames all the problems in her life most on
ADD ADHD Or some other empowering acronym
which encapsulates her futility for her

Her dog bagel, a large newf mix has used her house
liberally as a toilet since February of 2002. Drives a
2003 Toyota Matrix, owns a house in suburban MD,
recently got a raise/promotion to US goverment grade
11 (circa $50,000) and promptly decided she couldn't
afford her two dogs.

With help from non crazy regular (Paulette) and
witchcraft practicing regular Sara Sionnach, Nessa
has decided to keep her dogs for the time being.

She is undergoing training from Janet "Nice
Abdominal Surgery and getting Run Over for
the Family Pet."

Her results have not been dramatic.

CrAzy ReGulAr helping CraZy ReGular Leah helping Nessa

=============================

On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 8:40:08 -0400, Leah wrote

Nessa usenet@nessa.info wrote:

"As far as the depression goes, it's not
related to Bagel at all. I have chronic major
depression and I'm just having a flare."

Leah asks "Are you on any medication?"

Nessa responds

yes for depression, mood swings and ADHD.
I have been for over 10 years.

--nessa


Nessa is Fat as well as crazy

"For what it's worth...

I picked up 30 pounds when I started Dilantin.
I picked up (just recently) another 20 on
risperidol.

I hate that I was a size 8-10 before meds and
now I am solidly (pun intended) a 22-24.

Sad part is, the side effects are worth it.
The positive effects are too much to part with."

--nessa
=========================


NESSA'S HAS A GREAT NEUROPSYCH
==============================

Hi, I have a great neuropsych in Arlington Va.
He is at the Rosyln Metro Station. His name is
Martin Stein 1911 N Fort Myer Dr.
Suite 907 Arlington Va 22209
703-807-2471 email
75120.2296@compuserve.com

Marty is wonderful. He is really the best. He has
also given me permission to post his infomation on
this Newsgroup. If you call him and see him by all
means tell him
Nessa sent you.

--nessa
================================


ROTATE YOUR STIMULANTS =============================

from: Nessa (nessa@ix.netcom.com)

Hi,

I often have to rotate my stimulants. You can become
used to
them and sometimes need a different one for a while.
Until I got on my Desoxyn I rotated Ritilan and
Dexedrine every 3 months or so.

It is true that anti-depressants or anti-anxiety
pills will help with the stimulants so your DR is
not wrong. However,
perhaps she needs to check into the idea
that a switch from cylert to something else might be
in order.

warm thoughts, Nessa

=============================

=============================================
=============================================

Lois E. (of Gary and Lois fame)

Lois' has been on tricyclic antidepressants for
approximately 25 years. This may be a record. Husband
is a cop but there is no evidence that he beats the
crap out of her, or that he has for 25 years.

Had a traumatic experience as a child with a horse
running wild in the Pantry and living room. In recent
years, shot neighbor's dog from point blank range
while it was chewing on her pigmy goat, teaching son
to solve problems with the neighbor's using shock and
awe levels of violence."


BEEN ON TRICYCLICS FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS

"I don't take lithium, but I've been on trycyclics
for about 22 years. Been there, done that, have the
t-shirt to prove it. What's really terrific, is now
days you can say proudly, "I take anti-depressives".
Back when I started taking them it was seen as
something shameful. If you cut your leg off,
and were lying there with a bleeding stump, you'd
never let the word depressed, pass your lips, or the
doc's would say, "You're depressed, on medication?
Well, can't have any pain meds.....you could become
addicted." The good old days. I actually had a Great
Aunt who's father locked her in her room back in the
twenties because she was simple. A shame that
medication probably would have helped her live a
normal life. No Denna, I was just saying with
Darlene's personality, she has a way of making
grandiose plans when at the top of her manic
cycle....as does my daughter. I wasn't saying that
anyone with problems could be counted on to be
irresponsible."

Lois E

==============================


Kelly/ culprit

Systems engineer at Microsoft, owner of two
pitbulls, proving that Bill Gates does not
discriminate against crazy people or pit bull owners.

psychotic features, panic and more. Coming forward
so that others like her will have the strength to do
the same. Like Charlie Wilkes, she is one of our
most entertraining regulars

Here, kelly/culprit talks to Mustang Sally about her
mental
illness/crazy problems. Sally is being rude and
condescending (as usual) and trying to make
kelly/culprit feel bad for being crazy, aka wacked in
the head


culprit standing up for herself against rude and
condescending Mustang Sally
-----------------------------------------------

I WON'T DENY MY PROBLEMS, MUSTANG SALLY!

"but i stand by the fact that OCD is an illness,
major depression with psychotic features certainly
is, panic disorder is too. and the other stuff
just makes it all the more fun.

i don't wallow in it. i'm just now learning to
accept it, because ignoring it wasn't working out
too well. i need to do that to make changes to my
life so that i can
become healthy. and you say you're not trying to be
condescending, but you're doing it again. what i read
was, (my paraphrasing) "people who think they're
mentally ill are wallowing in their disabilities and
letting them consume their life"

you come across as though you would be able to
handle any of these illnesses, and anyone who can't
is just copping out.

well we're all different. and i don't accept your
idea that i would have a more productive life if i
denied my problems.

i tried it for years, and believe me, it didn't
work very well."

-kelly aka culprit systems engineer @ Microsoft
----------------------------------------------

===============================

MaryBeth FMVP (former most valuable psycho)

(super psycho bitch lunatic queen of the
mentally ****ed in the head)

Has contributed greatly to the annual profit results
at several large pharmaceutical corps has taken
virtually every mentally ill (crazy) drug treatment in
the book, and then some:

prozac, zoloft, amitryptiline, Buspar, Xanax, effexor,
paxil, HRT, wellbutrin, tranquilizers, clomid,

MaryBeth has suffered from or been:

TIDAL WAVES OF PMS

suicidal, agoraphobic, tidal waves of PMS, mood
swings, turned into a hermit, bloated, just real
angry, hubby afraid of her, high blood pressure,
divorced, "raving bitch" "zoloft zombie" for four
years, "living through layers and layers of gauze,"
chain smoker, buzzing, weight gain, fatigue, terrible
dry mouth, dull headaches, fuzzy brain, lack of
concentration..etc. severe depression, severe
insomnia, Panic ALL the time, crying, not sleeping,
you name it...etc...

MaryBeth (on being seriously f'd in the head
aka mentally ill) aka cuckoo! kuckoo! ding!
ding! ding! aka a superpsychotic bitch from hell


I RAN OVER EVERYONE IN MY PATH

"I know for a fact I went thru years of being overly
sensitive, being a b*tch, being self centered, being
self pitying, you name it, I was a wreck and I ran
over everyone in my path."
"<G> I do know the power of meds, especially
on a long term basis, and it's not pretty. You
become another person, if it's not the correct
med for you.

--All the best,
MaryBeth


DON'T TAKE ULTRAM AND ZOLOFT TOGETHER

"Yup Diane, I am taking Zoloft, and my
Rheumatologist told me
that taking Ultram with it can cause seizures."

"I have all the symptoms.I am suicidal at times
(cyclical) have severe insomnia, 'crawly' skin etc.
I have an appt to see my doc next Friday to test for
menopause."

--MaryBeth

ME NOT SO HORNY

"I noticed that antidepressants cut libido into
the dead zone and I had no real emotions, like
not laughing at funny stuff, couldn't cry
either..... except about my suicidal thoughts (but
at the time I thought there was no other way out)."

--MaryBeth

NEW TO GROUP

"Hi, new to group, just starting Clomid today.
I talked with RE and pharmacist re: zoloft (50
mg daily) and ineraction with Clomid.

They reported none. Not sure about the prozac
tho. Gonna poat a new message to intorduce myself "
--MaryBeth <still feeling
like herself> <G>


WASTED 10 YEARS

"I wasted about 10 years of my life, and lost many
many treasured ppl and things. Please don't do the
same. (((((((SCOUT))))))))))

--MaryBeth

WAS HORRIBLE

"Slowly but surely my depression got worse
and worse. They put me on meds for it, and
all along kept telling me to wait on the TKR,
as 'it really wasn't that bad.....yet". HA!" The
depression got so bad, and lots of other things
happened and my
ex and I would up divorced
four years after our move.

It was horrible. The hardest thing I have eve gone
thru"

--MaryBeth


=============================

Theresa Willis
(paxil, depression, robot displacement)
Theresa is a gang banger who comes out
of cutesy robot mode when it's time to gang
attack people with her pal shelly Victim is usually
Leah, but may be a random person.

===============================

shelly couvrette

Severe OCD, depression, prescribed Paxil for mental
illness, but
claims she does not take it, resulting in an obsessive
basket case online persona.

Posts more than any other female in all dog newsgroups

(familial mental illness, possibly related to
family bed) obsessively starves her dogs according
to friends, family, strangers and 3 different vets,
but not herself (see below). Still thinks of
herself as a five year old ballerina despite the
fact that she is a fat adult in her mid thirties.

PAGE ALL THE WAY DOWN FOR BONUS COVERAGE

=====================================

lynn kosmakos

RPD* Enemy of Dogs #1

(Lithium, Zoloft, bipolar, manic, depression)
will "put down a biter as fast as anyone" yet
claims to be a saintly dog rescuer.

Murders dogs because of insurance rates
Her brother was attacked by a Golden
Retriever when she was young. For
this reason, she murders easily trainable
dogs.

Condemns dogs to death who are easily trainable
with her "evaluations." Is nice to people in person,
but her true dog hating nature comes out on
newsgroups with extreme clarity.

Advocates shooting dogs on sight, when they
chase deer. Sees no other option. Her own
dog Java had to be shocked with a shock collar
to keep him from chasing deer.

has been on lithium for approximately 20 years.
Zoloft for an undetermined number of years

1200mg LITHIUM 50mg ZOLOFT

"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder
(manic-depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium
and 50 mg of Zoloft every day.

I, also, care about dogs and use this forum
to learn more, while happily sharing pertinent
information I have learned. But if I were ever
to post such sh*t, I would hope that every other
reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."

WE EARN THE RIGHT TO PARTICIPATE

"Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
the right to participate in by observing the easily
understood rules and contributing to in
constructive ways."

Lynn K

I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM

"I particularly remember a comment she made
about scarey side effects of Lithium.

Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think I'm
qualified to say that the very low risk of any
side effect is far less frightening than the very
real dangers of life without it."

Lynn K.

From: Chris Kosmakos (chriskoz@netcom.com) Subject:
Re: Prozac - Good medication or no?

I TAKE A SIMILAR DRUG MYSELF

"Yes, for very specific behaviorial problems.
I would have to trust my vet and behaviorist
a lot, and be very sure that I had exhausted
every other option before I used Prozac to
deal with a dog problem - and I take a similar
drug, Zoloft, myself."

Lynn K

=============================

Leah

Effexor for chronic depression, in denial about
being mentally ill. Has taken several other mentally
ill medications before settling on effexor for her
chronic mental problems. Leah is improving as a dog
trainer and wants to open her own training/boarding
kennel soon and write a
book.

This drives her fellow mentally ill regulars nuts
(read shelly Lynn K.), especially if Leah succeeds
while other loonies continue to sit on their fat
behinds

Leah is a relatively stable crazy person but she
just might be
the agent that drives others to jump off of a cliff

==========================

Tara Green

Tara Green is a dog trainer of sorts in New York City
left rpd* claiming that she could not afford internet
access and/or a computer, but her story is of value
nonetheless

was on antidepressants for a few years prior to her
marriage. During her marriage, she learned a lot:
"With the therapist I saw during my marriage I
learned that some
situational depressions are masked as chemical simply
because of our too human ability to prolong the impact
of the causal situations indefinitely"

Sounds like more denial, see leah

Tara is also a drunk who has also had problems with
other
substances

TARA on being a drunk/substance abuser:

"Tara (who had some problems with quite a
few substances as well, but who thinks they
are separate issues.....so which camp does
that put me in???)"

"Believe it or not, some people don't have
a problem with drugs even though they are
alcoholics. I'm not
one of those people, but they do exist."

aka, tara has problems with both

===================================


Kevin Michael Vail
various mental illness drugs, started with zoloft,
didn't like that, then went to antidepressant,
stopped after sufficent side effects, now on SSRI
and in therapy Kevin is a homo***ual but there is no
evidence that this is the cause of him being crazy

=======================================

Furpaw
(SSRI, cognitive therapy) otherwise, a fairly
boring and nondescript crazy person

=============================================

Chris Jung

(Prozac and Welbutrin,
cognitive therapy)

another very boring nutcase

=======================================

Charlie Wilkes
drugged out, crazy, ****ed up all his life, Christ
the shit he's been through including psych wards
and electroshock treatments but now pulling down
major cash as a business consultant. Triumphing
over adversity, with a damn good life and a well
trained dog (very much unlike Leah) One of our most
lucid regulars, despite (or maybe because of?) a
penchant for phat philly blunts.

=====================================

Karen DuChateaux aka Karibear

suffered from clinical depression for years until
some drug or
something brought her out of it. Some of her best
friends "are certifiable" and have various degrees of
psychoses.

Familial mental disability. Refuses to say whether
or not she is currently using drug or cognitive
therapy for mental illness.

=====================================

Mike "DumbOxDumb" Dufort
threatened non violent dog expert Jerry Howe with
Mike's fully armed US Army Platoon. Threatened to
bring his platoon to
Jerry's HOWSE. also OCD (obsessed with Jerry's posts)

=======================================

Jim "Brain Shivers" Sabatke

Jim is currently on Effexor which he takes because
of his depression/mental problems. Like many of our
mental cases, Jim has had trouble finding the right
med(s) to keep him from going kuckoo!! kuckoooo!!!
or getting the "brain shivers"


From: Jim Sabatke (jsabatke@execpc.com)
Subject: Re: anyone using Effexor?
alt.support.depression.medication
Date: 2002-11-29 20:25:16 PST

EFFEXOR "I'm on 375 mg/day and it has worked
wonders for me.
The only down side is that my blood pressure has
elevated somewhat; oh and if I miss a
dose by a couple of hours the "brain shivers" can be
really bad.

Good luck!

Jim

"I switched from Paxil to Effexor about 5 months
ago. I tapered off of the Paxil and tapered onto
the Effexor at the same time."

Jim

"After several years on Effexor IR, my pdoc tried
switching me
to XR. I experienced fairly severe
Effexor withdrawel until I went back to the IR."

Jim
================================
<YOUR NAME GOES HERE>
(please proudly add your name and the
drugs/disorders specific to you, if you are
also mentally ill). If we all come forward,
we can help each other with our problems.

Remember, mental illness is nothing to be
ashamed of. It's not your fault if you have a
defective brain which may cause you to act
like an extreme hypocrite and/or idiot and/or
robot without your being aware of it).

Also, please notify us if you are *not* mentally ill,
and have been added to this by mistake, so we
can make our corrections and remove you from
the crazy person list.

=====================================

mental health weekly

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A SPECIAL BONUS ON shelly the librarian at Indiana U.

================================================== =====
= SHELLY IS THE ONLY ONE WHO DOESN'T THINK HATTIE IS
STARVING


EMACIATED, VET WAS SURPRISED

"when i got harriet she was emaciated, so
i asked my vet for advice on slowly adding weight
to her. six months later i took harriet in for her
spring check-up and my vet was surprised that at
how thin she still was."
--shelly couvrette


STILL VET SHOPPING
"<raises hand> i've been told by three different
vets that harriet (53lbs) is *way* too skinny.
we're still vet-shopping, BTW."

--shelly couvrette

THE OL' "I'M STARVING" ROUTINE

"if you really can't resist it when your dog pulls
the "i'm starving!" routine <G>, you can give him
some frozen green beans or a small amount of plain
pureed pumpkin. i would also suggest putting the
food out of his sight. i keep my food--still
inside the bags, which are tightly rolled
down--inside trash cans in the closed laundry room.
that keeps it fresh and keeps it out of my
dogs' sight."

--shelly couvrette


POSITIVELY STARVED

"heh. i get the opposite response. people think
that poor little harriet is positively starved to
death. i've actually had people stop me in the pet
supply shop and tell me that i need to fatten her
up!"

--shelly couvrette


WHO WANTS TO BE TOLD YOU ARE HURTING YOUR WIDDLE
PRECIOUS?

"i think that may be part of the problem. who
wants to go to a vet who tells you you're hurting
your .widdle precious? i think the other part is
that some vets really don't *realize* that what
they consider proper weight is fat. after having
been told by a couple of vets that my dogs are too
thin, i've got a dim view of vets on that topic."

--shelly couvrette


JUST A BITE WON'T HURT
--shelly's mom

FEED HER AND I'LL RIP YOUR ARM OFF, BITCH
--shelly

"my mom is kinda that way, but not *as* bad.
she thinks that harriet is awfully skinny, so
feeding her table snax is okay. she tells me that
just a bite won't hurt."

--shelly couvrette


NOBODY IS STARVING FAT PI.G SHELLY

NOBODY WILL STOP SHELLY ON THE STREET AND TELL HER SHE
IS STARVING HERSELF shelly's fat face
http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette/Wshelly2.jpg
================================================== =====


There are a lot of big fat women on these groups
who starve their dogs out of vanity, but shelly is a
special case.

shelly is moor.e than a little bit beyond the pale

Shelly has OCD, and maybe she's just a little
obsessive about measuring out extra tiny and
discrete portions with a tiny measuring cup, or
counting out pieces of green bean or pumpkin
that she gives her dogs when they give her the
"I'm Starving" routine. When grandma tried to
give Hattie a snack, shelly probably went apeshit,
because it was in violation of her Obsessive need
to oversee every tiny calorie that goes into
her widdle precious' mouth.

shelly's a special case, a special kind of dog abuser