cruisin_eddie

Actually, they probably DO want all the Catholics since they have been
given a cease and desist order against Jews.

From http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/West/12/10/baptizing.the.dead.ap/

Mormons meet with Jews over baptizing Holocaust victims
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 Posted: 1:21 AM EST (0621 GMT)

SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (AP) -- Mormon and Jewish leaders met Tuesday in
New York City to discuss the Mormon church's apparent breach of its
agreement not to posthumously baptize Holocaust victims and other
deceased Jews.

Mormon leaders requested the meeting with Ernest Michel, chairman of the
World Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors who helped broker the 1995
agreement with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, said
church spokesman Dale Bills.

Before the meeting, Michel said the discussion would be preliminary.
Numerous calls to his office were not returned Tuesday.

In a statement, the Mormon church said the meeting with Michel was
"positive and productive" but did not elaborate on the outcome.

Mormons believe proxy baptisms give those in the afterlife the option of
joining the religion. It's primarily intended to offer salvation to the
ancestors of Mormons, but many others are included.

Baptisms for the dead are performed inside Mormon temples, with a church
member immersed in water in place of the deceased person. Names of the
deceased are gathered by church members from genealogy records as well
as death and governmental do***ents from around the world.

"For Latter-day Saints, the practice of proxy baptism is a means of
expressing love and concern for those who have preceded us. It is a
freewill offering," Bills said.

At Tuesday's meeting, Michel met with Mormon leaders Monte Brough and D.
Todd Christofferson.

Independent researcher Helen Radkey, who prepared a report for Michel,
is certain the agreement has been broken. In her research of the
church's extensive genealogical database, she found at least 20,000 Jews
-- some of whom died in Nazi concentration camps -- were baptized after
they died.

"There shouldn't be one single death camp record in those files," Radkey
said.

Radkey has been researching Jews included in the Mormon databases since
1999, when she found Anne Frank and her extended family listed as being
baptized.

Also among those baptized posthumously by the church, according to
Radkey's research: Ghengis Khan, Joan of Arc, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin
and Buddha.

Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder and dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in
Los Angeles, said the Mormon church needs to rein in its members if it
is serious about its pledge to stop baptizing Holocaust victims.

"If these people did not contact the Mormons themselves, the adage
should be: Don't call me, I'll call you," Hier said. "With the greatest
of respect to them, we do not think they are the exclusive arbitrators
of who is saved."

domestic goddess

LOL.

Eddie, thank you so much for telling me that.

DG

cruisin_eddie

No problem. ;-) I thought it was both humorous and absurd at the same
time. It was almost as good as the rival Amish gangs in Intercourse,
Pennsylvania with their cocaine deal gone bad. Hey! I don't make this
stuff up. :-)

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a36197bbe590c.htm
http://www.surfnetinc.com/hempmuseum/study/ind_amsh.htm
http://www.onlineathens.com/1998/062898/0628.a3drugs.html
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v98.n492.a11.html

deeds

Hey Cruisin, are you from PA? I'm from the Harrisburg area. Just wondering
because the Amish story was hysterical. At least, we thought it was
considering the differences in culture. It was hard to imagine. LOL
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cruisin_eddie

Nope. I am in St. Paul, MN. Coming from a quaker background, I am
often accused of being Amish. so people find it necessary to feed me
news stories of "my people". That Quaker Oat box confuses a lot of
people.

Wasn't there some sort of drive-by shooting involving a horse and buggy?

Cheers!

Four months, three weeks, three days, 20 hours, 40 minutes and 8
seconds. 3621 cigarettes not smoked, saving $724.10. Life saved: 1 week,
5 days, 13 hours, 45 minutes.

deeds

"Cruisin_Eddie" <nothere@now.com> put down his oatmeal for a second and
said,
<< Nope. I am in St. Paul, MN. Coming from a quaker background, I am often
accused of being Amish. so people find it necessary to feed me news stories
of "my people". That Quaker Oat box confuses a lot of people. >>

Yeah but that quaker oats dude has the cutest hat!

<< Wasn't there some sort of drive-by shooting involving a horse and buggy?


Yeah but never fear. They got caught. Cops followed the cow patties... :-)
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pat and ash

horse puckies,Deeds,horse puckies.
:-D
....pat.
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cruisin_eddie

ROFL!!! Love you guys!

jef.

From the newspaper report of the drug bust:

"...Also charged were eight members of the Pagans motorcycle gang, who sold
the drugs to the two Stoltzfuses. The Amish men then distributed the drugs
to members of youth groups known as the Crickets, the Antiques and the
Pilgrims at hoedowns between 1993 and 1997...."


Dammit! That's how I got so messed up! Those freakin' hoedowns are the
devil's playground, I'm tellin' ya....! One minute it's all toe-tapping
innocent fun, and the next thing you know, you're using electricity, you've
got a zipper instead of buttons on your clothes, and you're hoovering up
huge lines of blow...

jef.

Hi, Puck!