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1 7th April 16:40
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It occurs to me that I personally know three growers in Canada (in places
more than 1000 miles apart) who grow precisely the same strain of pot...
gentically identical in every way, all clones from the same plant.

And these morons below plan to "trace the drug from grower to smoker" this

"Genetic material does not lie", they say... and while that may be true it
can certainly mislead - and make for a fruitless wild-goose-chase - where
internationally traded plant-clone strains are concerned.

Whatever the "State forensic scientists" are smoking, keep it the hell outta
my stash. It obviously makes ya stupid...

....and besides that, it's making them waste taxpayers' money - BIGtime.


DNA database tracks pot trafficking

Associated Press Writer

July 20, 2003, 11:35 AM EDT

MERIDEN, Conn. -- State forensic scientists are compiling a DNA database to
track the nation's marijuana distribution network. It is built upon two
principles: Genetic material does not lie, and drug dealers always grow the
most potent marijuana possible.

In three years scientists at the state Forensic Science Laboratory have
mapped the genetic profile of about 600 marijuana samples taken from around
New England. As the database expands, scientists foresee a new way for
investigators to trace the drug from grower to smoker.

Using a single marijuana bud seized anywhere in the world, police would be
able to quickly deduce whether a suspect is a homegrown dope dealer or part
of an international cartel.

The success of the DNA database hinges upon a cultivation technique drug
dealers use to keep only the best, most potent marijuana on the street.

Waiting for marijuana seeds to grow into plants takes too long for
high-level dealers who move thousands of pounds at a time, police say.
Instead dealers usually plant cuttings from their most potent plants.

That results in a shorter growing period and ensures top-quality drugs in
every harvest. But it also means an entire marijuana crop is comprised of
just a few plants, cloned over and over. Genetically those plants are

An officer who makes a drug bust in Connecticut might normally have no idea,
however, that the pot came from the same harvest as a load seized on a
California highway.

While small-scale marijuana operations are local, top-level drug cartels are
international. Breaking up a ba*****t drug business is often as easy as
getting one buyer to confess. Infiltrating a major drug cartel is not so

"It's next to impossible, unless you have a good informant, to know the size
of that kind of an organization," said Sgt. Lilia Gutierrez, a narcotics
officer in El Paso, Texas, where authorities in February seized 12,000
pounds of marijuana coming across the Mexican border.

A few months before that bust, federal agents in San Diego, Calif., seized
10 tons of dope in what is believed to be the largest marijuana bust in

"Relatively few of the drugs that cross into San Diego remain in San Diego,"
said Michael Turner, special agent in charge of the city's Bureau of
Immigration and Customs Enforcement field office. Turner said marijuana that
crosses the California border can turn up in cities like Detroit and

The database being developed in Connecticut is not nearly complete enough to
begin tracking that effect. But Heather Miller Coyle, a Connecticut forensic
scientist, said the state plans to request a renewal of its $340,000 federal
grant early next year. If the grant continues, she hopes federal agencies
will begin sending their samples for ****ysis.

"We are seeing correlations," Coyle said. "Correlations between individuals
and correlations between locations."

Research assistant Eric Carita is responsible for bringing the genetic
signatures into a searchable database. On his computer screen each sample
looks like a stock market chart, punctuated with distinct peaks and valleys.

A computer program converts that plot into a long, unique string of ones and
zeros. If the computer matches that number to one already in the system, the
samples are identical.

Officials hope the effort will pay off in the courtroom. A court case
pending in Connecticut Superior Court will be the state's first attempt to
get marijuana DNA admitted as evidence. Police have not laid out the details
of that case, but scientists say DNA data suggests that two drug operations
were actually part of one organization.

Coyle said she hopes that courtroom acceptance of human DNA evidence will
make it easier to introduce plant DNA data. Scientists can even print out
the DNA plots from Carita's computer and show a judge or jury that two
samples are identical.

There are hurdles. While a genetic match can nearly guarantee that a suspect
was at a crime scene, a plant DNA match does not by itself prove that two
growing operations are related. When combined other evidence, however,
officials hope DNA data can help eliminate reasonable doubt.

"If they keep cloning (pot plants), there's no way around this," Coyle said.

The DNA mapping technique cannot be used to track more dangerous designer
drugs like cocaine and heroin. Though both are plant-based narcotics, drug
synthesis isolates the mind-altering chemicals and the organic material is

Forensic experts believe efforts like this represent the future of forensic
science, which for years have been focused on the ****ysis of human evidence
like blood, ***** and hair.

"We don't know all of the frontiers yet," said Kenneth E. Melson, president
of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences and the U.S. Attorney for
Virginia. "As our experience and capabilities increase, forensic science can
be used any number of areas we haven't even thought of yet."

Not everyone is convinced that marijuana dealing should be the cutting edge
of forensic science.

"It's a huge, monumental waste of taxpayer dollars," said Allen St. Pierre,
executive director that National Organization for the Repeal of Marijuana
Laws Foundation.

Law enforcement officials, however, believe a genetic database could give
police another advantage over creative drug dealers, who have concocted some
ingenious growing and trafficking techniques.

"Certainly, if they're able to do enough fingerprinting to tell that this
load came from same field as another load, we can begin to show patterns and
trends," said Turner, the federal agent.

"If they could do it, it'd be one more tool in the arsenal."

Copyright 2003, The Associated Press
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2 8th April 02:54
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you know, we constantly hear reports about how backed up state
forensic labs are, with too few resources to check human DNA samples
in a timely manner -- samples from murder and **** cases. and THIS is
what the resources are going toward -- developing 'plant DNA'
databases to ****yze every bud from every two-bit bust in new england?
lord have mercy.

as someone who has used the hit-or-miss method involved in growing
good plants from seeds, i got free instruction in DIY cloning from a
now-defunct cannabis co-op. snip the growth tip, use rooting hormone,
proper plant food at the proper time = ensure a viable female plant.
i'm no kind of dealer at all, much less a 'high-level' one! this is
inane, and would be funny if not for the waste of money involved.

uhmm, we knew this on the east coast back in the 70s!!!

i'm about twice as disgusted now.

ever wish you could bitch-slap the whole world? :{

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3 8th April 02:55
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Rose roflol.

I couldn't agree with you more. They do need to be bitch slapped! : )

Take Care


"Some say the glass if half empty......
I say they are half full of sh*t"

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4 8th April 02:55
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LOL!! Yes, Rose, I often feel EXACTLY like bitch-slapping the whole world!

Or at the very least grabbing them by their ears and banging their heads
against their own brick walls.

- Lynne

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5 8th April 02:55
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hi rose

don't bitch slap.


like it or not we gotta get folks voting a streight dem ticket.

and we need to write to our local pols to eliminate the computer voting

they are easily rigged and solidly owned by the extreme right.

no joke. several elections in '02 were clearly fixed and as the machines
proliferate we will lose everything. there is good reason that exit
polling companies are gone.

they were our only real check against fixed vote counts.



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6 8th April 02:55
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Lynne votes every chance she gets.

She can no longer with good conscience vote for anyone running as a
Republican; she assumes that if they run as a Republican, they stand upon
and support the platform of the national party. She deplores that platform.

- Lynne's evil twin

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7 8th April 08:01
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You're from Chicago? ;-) Kathie
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8 8th April 08:02
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I live 15 miles from Crawford, Texas. Talk about a pain in the butt, ...

- Lynne
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9 9th April 18:20
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no worries, ed -- i realize that getting voted out of office is the
kind of bitch-slap that politicians understand best.

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