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22nd January 14:08
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Praising BAD Behaviors Is GOOD
HOWEDY People, This post will cover most of what you never thought of and MOORE than you already know about stuff... Interesting X. I've never seen one of them before, and I'm not big on "breed" issues, but I just got to laugh at that picture I got in my head of a Aussie runnin around in a Newfie suit. I'm fallin outta my armchair and my sides are splittin!!! Fine. I prefer to see pups get into their new HOWSES as soon as they're weaned. Many folk prefer to allow the pups to stay with mom till twelve weeks or so, but I've never seen a problem for pups who'd been "orphaned" and into their family much earlier. My preference is six weeks. But that's not addressing your questions. My 40 years experience and some studies I recently read indicates some aggression may be precipitated by S/N. It's a hot button topic for many people, because it's one of those things where "you're damned if you do and damned if you don't." FWIW, according to Judaic law, spaying would be appropriate, neutering would not. There's other laws in their book about such issues as muzzling working draft animals etc. Very interesting stuff. Oh drat! You just burst my bubble! Now I can't laugh about a Aussie dressed in a Newfie suit. When I hear that, I think HYPERACTIVE. Hyperactivity is caused by stress barring such outside influences as toxins in the environment or malignancy of some sort. Purdue recently did some stuff on OCD and determined that stress percipiticpates OCD behaviors (Duh-Oh!). No news to this trainer. That's HOWE COME it's SO EZ for my students to break the anxiety SYNDROME and rehabilitate their hyperactive dogs in a few days, maybe less. Thyroid problems could be involved there too, and I've got a different take on that as well. I rather doubt the thyroid or any system is likely to malfunction for no reason. I believe that the constant on/off stress of ORDINARY DAILY LIFE in an ORDINARY NORMAL HOWEShold, is enough to push dogs, and some breeds more EZily than other's over the edge, resulting in obsessive compulsive behavior disorders like hyperactivity, excessive chewing,barking, digging, pacing, HOWEling, separation anxiety, self mutilation, fear of thunder, and even most carsickness. When I hear THAT, I don't wanna ask what's after the most part... Bummer. I hate that. Scares the beejeesus outta me. Good, I'm relieved. Dogs don't do things for no reason. Do you know what will provoke her? There's a commonality between all behavior problems, so if you can think of what when and where she'd had incidents in the past, you might isolate the triggers, and then you're half way done training her... Perhaps even just your scrutiny can be pressuring her. Dogs are very sensitive critters, it doesn't take much to throw them outta whack. Probably true, but that's the half of it also. I'll try to explain later... Right. That sez to me, she's insecure. It's a survival instinct. HOWE COME should she be insecure and thinking of herself first, rather than "feedin the family," as a mom dog would do? Well, mom dogs do not, they need to sustain themselves first, so they can take care of the bigger picture, even if that means culling her litter. Greed is what it looks like, but dogs aren't capitalists, so it's got to be something telling her there's not enough to go around. Perhaps she's been teased with treats or had rewards withheld? Dogs are scavengers. They steal scraps of food and run to hide with their back to the wall in a heightened state of alert. Putting food or bribes into an untrusting dog's face will likely make him think fight/flight/survive... so I never use food bribes. Sure you can train animals and slaves by withholding or treating with food, it's the bottom line when you think about it. You'd need a mighty big treat bag to control all the food in creation Anything that takes precedence in your dog's mind over you, is usurping your authority and diminishing your dog's esteem for you. Right. That sez to me she's not entirely trusting, that something is concerning her that she's not SAFE. AGGRESSION IS FEAR. We don't attack for no reason, we attack to defend ourselves from a real or perceived threat. In looking for answers, I am not looking to make excuses for the dog's behavior. I personally don't care HOWE COME the dog does something, I deal with the whole problem from another perspective entirely, and many of these insecurity issues will be AUTOMAGICKALLY CURED, just by removing the inconsistencies and stressors in her daily life. Whoever said "it's a dogs life," never put on the hat... Dogs are just as sensitive about family tensions like children squabbling and parents correcting them or the dog, for whatever. LOOK at HOWE many times a day you probably have to say STOP THAT! and correct all of them? At bedtime the kids may give you the standard bedtime runaround, a kid falling and crying about it can make the dog nervous, anything goes. Hmmm. That makes me very suspicious. I like CONSISTENCY. Even if it's bad. But that may be good too, cause it could give us some insight into what's goin down here. By 'someone else,' you mean the kids, anybody else or everybody else? That too, may give some insight as to what's cookin. Hmmm. She's OK with the kids and food? That's got my antennae up. I believe you're sayin she's SAFE with the girls passing her while eating. THAT makes me very happy, if that's correct. At least about the food issue but it offsets itself with the dichotomy of her incidents with the kids. There's too many inconsistencies, and that's gonna tell us what's the problem, I think. Good. Tell us what you know of will set her off, and we can figure out what's upsettin her and HOWE to break the response. That doesn't give me a clear picture. Again, if you can predict when a behavior will happen, we can set it up to break or extinguish it, if it's still a problem after we do some simple preliminary conditioning exercises. Forget respect. FEAR. Something concerns her, it's not disrespect. You just did. No problem. Likewise. I do all my work from sittin right here stark ravin nekkid. I'm wondering if you've done any training with her and if so, HOWE was she trained. The fact she does not growl at YOU when you're near her food is probably not because it's you who gave her the food. That she doesn't growl at the kids around the food, makes me wonder if she's ever been corrected for 'food guarding' with the children. That could explain HOWE COME she won't growl at them near the food, but will in other situations particularly play, concerns me, but in a GOOD way. That's displaced aggression, I expect. That's cause by repressing behaviors. My methods use alternately variable distractions and prolonged non physical praise to extinguish the reflexive behavior through triggerin and non fulfillment, not by ever offering REPLACEMENT or alternate behaviors, because THAT disavails us of training opportunities and leaves the problem behavior intact, waitin on the whim of the dog. That suggests to me that she may be reacting to an incident perhaps long ago where she or the kids had been scolded or corrected for roudy play? That's called superstitious or flashback behavior, whereby a former incident is thought of by a similar cir***stance and the dog simple flashes back to that former state of mind and isn't even thinkin of the present, and usually ends pretty quickly, soon as he realizes this is a different time and place. All we got to do is play with that thought a few times if everything else is in order, and the dog will quickly override his BOOGEYMAN... The food guarding is not against the children, is that correct? Perhaps I'm a little unclear on the scenario. I think you're saying she's fine with you and the kids around the food, the food being an issue for other family members, visitors etc? Has she ever had an incident of growling at you? If so, when, where, and HOWE did you respond to it. Also, HOWE do you currently respond to her incidents with the kids now and HOWE often does this happen? Do you give her treats? Will she 'go off' around a treat or only AT her food bowl, and is she OK with your children around their food and do the children give her treats and is she OK with that? Finally, do you crate her? If so, does she go to her crate on her own? If so, that too, can be causing or exacerbating these issues. Crating can cause a lot of problems for insecurity. Because the crate becomes a safe haven for her, kinda like hiding under the covers from the boogeyman, when the door opens, it's like havin to get outta bed in the dark to go to the toilet... SCARY!!! You might crawl over the bed to get close the light and then run and jump to hit the switch before the monster under the bed can get your by your ankles. Those answers will give us a better idea of exactly HOWE COME the dog is growling. But after all is said, it still doesn't matter to me except as a curiosity. We'll fix this behavior problem EZ, I'm certain. She doesn't sound too scary to me now that we've looked at what she's doing. In fact, and please correct me if I misunderstood, she's ONLY staring and growling and showing some teeth? She's never tried to assault the kids, right? What do you feed and are you using any chemicals around her like floor cleaners containing phenols? I ask about food because some contain BHA, BHT, ETHOXYQUIN, or propylene glycol as preservatives and they're suspect of causing some hyperactive like behavior. You might break the food guarding malarkey by simply moving the dish to another location, preferably a neutral area. IOW, take her out of the environment in which she's accustomed to having incidents, and desensitize her there. But don't start messin with that stuff till you know HOWE to handle it just in case she should go off when you try testing it out. Besides, after an hour of training that food thing will probably disappear on it's own, just from the basic conditioning exercises. You might try taking her dinner bowl in hand and slowly walking her around while eating and making passes by other folks. But not yet, you got a little study to do and some practice... about two hours work. Must be COLD out there. Lets get the lesson plan in mind so you'll have your wits about you if she should growl so we don't lose an opportunity to address an incident should she growl, because doin so in new environment would make it that much easier to break, due to the change of environ. Same question goes for the growling. Is that a generalized behavior or does she only do it say, in the living room or only inside the HOWES, will she growl if they're playin outside. Does she growl ONLY when she's in play? That could be VERY telling. Does she growl when she is NOT ALREADY EXCITED PLAYING (besides at the food bowl, I'm over that)? If so, that's the problem, BUT, that still leaves the question of WHO does she growl at around food? That too could tie up another loose end. Does she always / sometimes / not often come to the kids when they call her? Will she always come to you when you call? Is she walked on leash often, and is she well behaved or is it a struggle, and what kind of collar do you use. Even though you're not writing about an on leash problem, we're still gonna need to work her on lead and longe line for the initial conditioning exercises. The program I teach begins by stopping all negative or corrective responses and interactions with her. That includes scolding the children, because that may be what provokes her to growl. That's called allelomimetic behavior. IOW, if you scold the kids for jumpin on the sofa, the dog will copy your action and attitudes and likewise correct them. Sibling rivalry is not caused by siblings, is cause by mishandling. Scolding one peer in front of the others causes animosity towards the others whom the subject was scolded in front of. That causes 2 things to happen. The scolded party gets embarrasses and assaults the observers of the scolding, or the observers copy the disciplinarian, and likewise scold the subject. Catch22. HOWE are we gonna control three kid critters and one Aussie runnin around in a midget Newfie suit??? Could take three juvenile detention and one AC officers 24/8 to throw down on them when they get goin like kids will do. I'm pretty EZ going, but I require strict discipline. I can't have a child interrupting me while I'm doin this and have my dogs going kookamunga while I'm trying to teach someone on the phone HOWE to control their dog's barking, for example. NOW I'd be curious about the ages of the kids "children under age 13," cause if there's things like hyperactive or disabled children or autistic kids or an infant who'd maybe cry or have seizures or whatever that could upset the dog. I'm not lookin for excuses to mitigate her behavior, just to understand it better so's we're lookin at the facts of the matter based on what is happening Vs feelings about HOWE whatever we may emotionally feel about stuff. We want to back away from the micro aspects of the behavior so we can take in the big picture and then we can see what parts don't fit, and figure out what to do to remedy the etiology rather than fightin symptoms of the problem, because as we repress symptoms, they change, to other, often worse, seemingly non related behaviors as trainsfer or replacement behaviors. That's HOWE COME so many dogs go through every behavior problem in the book before simply runnin outa behavior problems that haven't already been repressed. Think about it. As we repress all the normal puppy behaviors we make the pup nervous cause he's only a animal. They cannot know right from wrong, only what's nice and what's not. They're not a human child, they cannot understand BAD. Dogs do not DO, BAD, dogs only do dog, and of curse, they also copy us. As the dog matures to 8-9 months they go through their 'adolescent rebellious' stage (Scott &Fuller). HOWE can a dog have a rebellious stage if there's nothing to REBEL AGAINST? Well, he still has not run through all the behavior problems he can be provoked into, so when he's maturing as a ****ager and trying for more freedom, we become more repressive because the dog is out of hand, and there goes the shootin match. My student's dogs do not go through that because we never have a negative or forced interaction with them, we NEVER tell them NO or INSIST on a command, because THAT triggers the opposition reflex and makes the dog rebel. Our dogs are eager to work because we PRAISE IN ADVANCE, with the command, all in one breath not after the dog has finished doin his behavior. Dogs do not work for credit. By the time the dog comes to you when called, he's not longer thinking of the command. Dogs respond in predictable, instinctive, reflexive, ways, to situations and cir***stances of their environment which we provide for them. That means we can change or control the environment to set the dog up to perform as predicted, and know when to do what you've planned in advance, to properly trigger / distract / praise / trigger / distract / praise the behavior till it's extinguished, MUCH LIKE FLOODING, but not quite... Or, we may use traditional flooding techniques with distraction / praise to extinguish behaviors. Before addressing behavior problems we condition the dog to praise with every brief eye contact and learn HOWE to handle the lead so we're not pulling on the collar and triggering the dog or hyping him up for a random outburst. Proper leash handling techniques insures safety and teaches the dog gentleness and conditions them to respond to our praise, as it entices the dog in and settles him down in just a few minutes. It's kinda like Dr. Ian Dunbar's "make like a tree," but not really anything at all quite like it. They just look similar at first glance. The Hot & Cold Exercise is like the kid's game "gettin hotter gettin colder" with the dog's attention and body as we stand and handle the lead properly to get the feel for it and reassure the dogs we ain't gonna be pullin no more on them. After a few minutes the dog will be hangin out waitin for you to do something, then you're ready to go into the Family Leadership Exercise where we very subtly work the dog in a conditioning routine we'll rely on for other situations and begin to install the come command as a conditioned reflex. That usually takes my students about one hour, often less, very rarely four hours, but that'd get a perfect recall on the most difficult critter. Once we've got that dog willing to work with us we can begin to break his behavior problems using variable distractions and praise techniques. Using praise in advance relaxes the dog and encourages him. For training, isn't that all we need? Praising BAD BEHAVIORS is GOOD. If your dog were boltin out the door, it's not "NO! STOP!," it's GOOD GIRL NICEDOG YOU'RE A GOOOOD FELLA!!. The dog ain't goin NOWHERE except come back over to you. Might even ask if he wants to go to the park. Sure he wants to but you don't. Who cares? He's only a DOG. Tell him you're gonna put your shoes on to go but it'll be a minit. Dogs like kids FORGET in a minute... Tomorrow when you ARE going to the park, tell him you're goin cause you PROMISED him yesterday, and now it's time. They'll think you're the kat's pajamas for bein the greatest mom/dad in the whole wild world. Dogs and kids just wanna have fun. Therefore my dogs never see me frown on them. NO MATTER WHAT. I never tell them NO or DON'T, or physically reach to restrain them, partly because THAT would trigger the opposition reflex and compel the dog to "outstep me" and rush the door or eat the steak or whatever AND teach the dog that doin THAT, will command 100% of your undivided attention... That's HOWE COME proper understanding of the methods and developing the feel for leash handling is imperative, so's we don't sabotage ourselves by reacting to our own fears of dangerous situations we're gonna work through in a few minutes if you can refrain yourself from saying NO DON'T! and pullin the lead to force control. Of course I know that your dog isn't having leash problems, but it fits here... Our dogs naturally want to do everything they're asked, cause just like kids, dogs just wanna have fun. Your Puppy Wizard. <{}YPW; ~ } >. ----- Original Message ----- From: <n> To: "Jerry Howe" <> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Damned Family Leadership Exercise - Re: Am I expecting to much ================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric To: jhowe2@bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM Subject: just checking in.. Jerry! You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago regarding submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days using your techniques! He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"! Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter of minutes. Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer. I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed 'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to be good dogs! Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward to working with these guys a couple times a day... Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T", I learned from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain rather than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense. I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone who beat MY ass lol! Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs. A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship". He is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it (pun intended)... Too cool.... Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work! Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard ========================== Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me! Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500 Message-ID: uim43blqq1h67d@corp.supernews.com Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using Jerry's methods with our dog. We had the same problem as the original poster has with Buzz. One day working with the family pack exercise and practicing the recall command with the family and she'll now go out with hubby and daughter instead of needing me to reassure her or even refusing to go with anyone but me. I really urge you, regardless of the negative things you might hear about Jerry & Wits' End here, to try the method and *judge the results for yourself*. Let's see what other areas she's improved in... always comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave it laying around, "re"housebroken after long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash, doesn't try to steal food from our plates or beg... probably a few more things I'm forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi and don't wander. jh). That's in about a week's time. Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive (except with her area/toys where she was possessive and nippy). She had been abused and beaten by previous owners, then she was in a shelter for months. They (most of them) wanted to give up and kill her Now she's gained confidence and trust with us. Last night was another big breakthrough (in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she barked just once when she heard the front door. Great! Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about Jerry or that the Wits' End manual is culled from other sources. In my opinion, even if it is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves out the bad. Works for me. (And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know Jerry personally. I've emailed him and instant messaged him. I have not bought a "Doggy Do Right". He's offered help for free.) Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy http://www.crneckiy.com & http://tarot.crneckiy.com E-mail & MSN Messenger: mick@crneckiy.com AIM & Yahoo!: MickCrneckiy ~ ICQ: 72461227 ====================== "Hoku Beltz" <hoku@rsphawaii.com> wrote in message news:SN2k9.45447$V7.10868114@twister.socal.rr.com. .. ================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Hoku Beltz To: The Puppy Wizard Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: Mahalo Aloha Jerry, Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy technique is working wonders. I have not had a shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice to be able to leave the bed made and come home to a made bed. Your program is awesome, but you already know that. Keep up the good work! Hoku ================== Thank you, Jerry Howe, Director of Research, BIOSOUND Scientific Director of Training, Wits' End Dog Training 1611 24th St Orlando, FL 32805 Phone: 1-407-425-5092 E-mail: ThePuppyWizard@EarthLink.Net http://www.doggydoright.com |
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24th January 13:51
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Praising BAD Behaviors Is GOOD
HOWEDY People, This post will cover most of what you never thought of and MOORE than you already know about stuff... Interesting X. I've never seen one of them before, and I'm not big on "breed" issues, but I just got to laugh at that picture I got in my head of a Aussie runnin around in a Newfie suit. I'm fallin outta my armchair and my sides are splittin!!! Fine. I prefer to see pups get into their new HOWSES as soon as they're weaned. Many folk prefer to allow the pups to stay with mom till twelve weeks or so, but I've never seen a problem for pups who'd been "orphaned" and into their family much earlier. My preference is six weeks. But that's not addressing your questions. My 40 years experience and some studies I recently read indicates some aggression may be precipitated by S/N. It's a hot button topic for many people, because it's one of those things where "you're damned if you do and damned if you don't." FWIW, according to Judaic law, spaying would be appropriate, neutering would not. There's other laws in their book about such issues as muzzling working draft animals etc. Very interesting stuff. Oh drat! You just burst my bubble! Now I can't laugh about a Aussie dressed in a Newfie suit. When I hear that, I think HYPERACTIVE. Hyperactivity is caused by stress barring such outside influences as toxins in the environment or malignancy of some sort. Purdue recently did some stuff on OCD and determined that stress percipiticpates OCD behaviors (Duh-Oh!). No news to this trainer. That's HOWE COME it's SO EZ for my students to break the anxiety SYNDROME and rehabilitate their hyperactive dogs in a few days, maybe less. Thyroid problems could be involved there too, and I've got a different take on that as well. I rather doubt the thyroid or any system is likely to malfunction for no reason. I believe that the constant on/off stress of ORDINARY DAILY LIFE in an ORDINARY NORMAL HOWEShold, is enough to push dogs, and some breeds more EZily than other's over the edge, resulting in obsessive compulsive behavior disorders like hyperactivity, excessive chewing,barking, digging, pacing, HOWEling, separation anxiety, self mutilation, fear of thunder, and even most carsickness. When I hear THAT, I don't wanna ask what's after the most part... Bummer. I hate that. Scares the beejeesus outta me. Good, I'm relieved. Dogs don't do things for no reason. Do you know what will provoke her? There's a commonality between all behavior problems, so if you can think of what when and where she'd had incidents in the past, you might isolate the triggers, and then you're half way done training her... Perhaps even just your scrutiny can be pressuring her. Dogs are very sensitive critters, it doesn't take much to throw them outta whack. Probably true, but that's the half of it also. I'll try to explain later... Right. That sez to me, she's insecure. It's a survival instinct. HOWE COME should she be insecure and thinking of herself first, rather than "feedin the family," as a mom dog would do? Well, mom dogs do not, they need to sustain themselves first, so they can take care of the bigger picture, even if that means culling her litter. Greed is what it looks like, but dogs aren't capitalists, so it's got to be something telling her there's not enough to go around. Perhaps she's been teased with treats or had rewards withheld? Dogs are scavengers. They steal scraps of food and run to hide with their back to the wall in a heightened state of alert. Putting food or bribes into an untrusting dog's face will likely make him think fight/flight/survive... so I never use food bribes. Sure you can train animals and slaves by withholding or treating with food, it's the bottom line when you think about it. You'd need a mighty big treat bag to control all the food in creation Anything that takes precedence in your dog's mind over you, is usurping your authority and diminishing your dog's esteem for you. Right. That sez to me she's not entirely trusting, that something is concerning her that she's not SAFE. AGGRESSION IS FEAR. We don't attack for no reason, we attack to defend ourselves from a real or perceived threat. In looking for answers, I am not looking to make excuses for the dog's behavior. I personally don't care HOWE COME the dog does something, I deal with the whole problem from another perspective entirely, and many of these insecurity issues will be AUTOMAGICKALLY CURED, just by removing the inconsistencies and stressors in her daily life. Whoever said "it's a dogs life," never put on the hat... Dogs are just as sensitive about family tensions like children squabbling and parents correcting them or the dog, for whatever. LOOK at HOWE many times a day you probably have to say STOP THAT! and correct all of them? At bedtime the kids may give you the standard bedtime runaround, a kid falling and crying about it can make the dog nervous, anything goes. Hmmm. That makes me very suspicious. I like CONSISTENCY. Even if it's bad. But that may be good too, cause it could give us some insight into what's goin down here. By 'someone else,' you mean the kids, anybody else or everybody else? That too, may give some insight as to what's cookin. Hmmm. She's OK with the kids and food? That's got my antennae up. I believe you're sayin she's SAFE with the girls passing her while eating. THAT makes me very happy, if that's correct. At least about the food issue but it offsets itself with the dichotomy of her incidents with the kids. There's too many inconsistencies, and that's gonna tell us what's the problem, I think. Good. Tell us what you know of will set her off, and we can figure out what's upsettin her and HOWE to break the response. That doesn't give me a clear picture. Again, if you can predict when a behavior will happen, we can set it up to break or extinguish it, if it's still a problem after we do some simple preliminary conditioning exercises. Forget respect. FEAR. Something concerns her, it's not disrespect. You just did. No problem. Likewise. I do all my work from sittin right here stark ravin nekkid. I'm wondering if you've done any training with her and if so, HOWE was she trained. The fact she does not growl at YOU when you're near her food is probably not because it's you who gave her the food. That she doesn't growl at the kids around the food, makes me wonder if she's ever been corrected for 'food guarding' with the children. That could explain HOWE COME she won't growl at them near the food, but will in other situations particularly play, concerns me, but in a GOOD way. That's displaced aggression, I expect. That's cause by repressing behaviors. My methods use alternately variable distractions and prolonged non physical praise to extinguish the reflexive behavior through triggerin and non fulfillment, not by ever offering REPLACEMENT or alternate behaviors, because THAT disavails us of training opportunities and leaves the problem behavior intact, waitin on the whim of the dog. That suggests to me that she may be reacting to an incident perhaps long ago where she or the kids had been scolded or corrected for roudy play? That's called superstitious or flashback behavior, whereby a former incident is thought of by a similar cir***stance and the dog simple flashes back to that former state of mind and isn't even thinkin of the present, and usually ends pretty quickly, soon as he realizes this is a different time and place. All we got to do is play with that thought a few times if everything else is in order, and the dog will quickly override his BOOGEYMAN... The food guarding is not against the children, is that correct? Perhaps I'm a little unclear on the scenario. I think you're saying she's fine with you and the kids around the food, the food being an issue for other family members, visitors etc? Has she ever had an incident of growling at you? If so, when, where, and HOWE did you respond to it. Also, HOWE do you currently respond to her incidents with the kids now and HOWE often does this happen? Do you give her treats? Will she 'go off' around a treat or only AT her food bowl, and is she OK with your children around their food and do the children give her treats and is she OK with that? Finally, do you crate her? If so, does she go to her crate on her own? If so, that too, can be causing or exacerbating these issues. Crating can cause a lot of problems for insecurity. Because the crate becomes a safe haven for her, kinda like hiding under the covers from the boogeyman, when the door opens, it's like havin to get outta bed in the dark to go to the toilet... SCARY!!! You might crawl over the bed to get close the light and then run and jump to hit the switch before the monster under the bed can get your by your ankles. Those answers will give us a better idea of exactly HOWE COME the dog is growling. But after all is said, it still doesn't matter to me except as a curiosity. We'll fix this behavior problem EZ, I'm certain. She doesn't sound too scary to me now that we've looked at what she's doing. In fact, and please correct me if I misunderstood, she's ONLY staring and growling and showing some teeth? She's never tried to assault the kids, right? What do you feed and are you using any chemicals around her like floor cleaners containing phenols? I ask about food because some contain BHA, BHT, ETHOXYQUIN, or propylene glycol as preservatives and they're suspect of causing some hyperactive like behavior. You might break the food guarding malarkey by simply moving the dish to another location, preferably a neutral area. IOW, take her out of the environment in which she's accustomed to having incidents, and desensitize her there. But don't start messin with that stuff till you know HOWE to handle it just in case she should go off when you try testing it out. Besides, after an hour of training that food thing will probably disappear on it's own, just from the basic conditioning exercises. You might try taking her dinner bowl in hand and slowly walking her around while eating and making passes by other folks. But not yet, you got a little study to do and some practice... about two hours work. Must be COLD out there. Lets get the lesson plan in mind so you'll have your wits about you if she should growl so we don't lose an opportunity to address an incident should she growl, because doin so in new environment would make it that much easier to break, due to the change of environ. Same question goes for the growling. Is that a generalized behavior or does she only do it say, in the living room or only inside the HOWES, will she growl if they're playin outside. Does she growl ONLY when she's in play? That could be VERY telling. Does she growl when she is NOT ALREADY EXCITED PLAYING (besides at the food bowl, I'm over that)? If so, that's the problem, BUT, that still leaves the question of WHO does she growl at around food? That too could tie up another loose end. Does she always / sometimes / not often come to the kids when they call her? Will she always come to you when you call? Is she walked on leash often, and is she well behaved or is it a struggle, and what kind of collar do you use. Even though you're not writing about an on leash problem, we're still gonna need to work her on lead and longe line for the initial conditioning exercises. The program I teach begins by stopping all negative or corrective responses and interactions with her. That includes scolding the children, because that may be what provokes her to growl. That's called allelomimetic behavior. IOW, if you scold the kids for jumpin on the sofa, the dog will copy your action and attitudes and likewise correct them. Sibling rivalry is not caused by siblings, is cause by mishandling. Scolding one peer in front of the others causes animosity towards the others whom the subject was scolded in front of. That causes 2 things to happen. The scolded party gets embarrasses and assaults the observers of the scolding, or the observers copy the disciplinarian, and likewise scold the subject. Catch22. HOWE are we gonna control three kid critters and one Aussie runnin around in a midget Newfie suit??? Could take three juvenile detention and one AC officers 24/8 to throw down on them when they get goin like kids will do. I'm pretty EZ going, but I require strict discipline. I can't have a child interrupting me while I'm doin this and have my dogs going kookamunga while I'm trying to teach someone on the phone HOWE to control their dog's barking, for example. NOW I'd be curious about the ages of the kids "children under age 13," cause if there's things like hyperactive or disabled children or autistic kids or an infant who'd maybe cry or have seizures or whatever that could upset the dog. I'm not lookin for excuses to mitigate her behavior, just to understand it better so's we're lookin at the facts of the matter based on what is happening Vs feelings about HOWE whatever we may emotionally feel about stuff. We want to back away from the micro aspects of the behavior so we can take in the big picture and then we can see what parts don't fit, and figure out what to do to remedy the etiology rather than fightin symptoms of the problem, because as we repress symptoms, they change, to other, often worse, seemingly non related behaviors as trainsfer or replacement behaviors. That's HOWE COME so many dogs go through every behavior problem in the book before simply runnin outa behavior problems that haven't already been repressed. Think about it. As we repress all the normal puppy behaviors we make the pup nervous cause he's only a animal. They cannot know right from wrong, only what's nice and what's not. They're not a human child, they cannot understand BAD. Dogs do not DO, BAD, dogs only do dog, and of curse, they also copy us. As the dog matures to 8-9 months they go through their 'adolescent rebellious' stage (Scott &Fuller). HOWE can a dog have a rebellious stage if there's nothing to REBEL AGAINST? Well, he still has not run through all the behavior problems he can be provoked into, so when he's maturing as a ****ager and trying for more freedom, we become more repressive because the dog is out of hand, and there goes the shootin match. My student's dogs do not go through that because we never have a negative or forced interaction with them, we NEVER tell them NO or INSIST on a command, because THAT triggers the opposition reflex and makes the dog rebel. Our dogs are eager to work because we PRAISE IN ADVANCE, with the command, all in one breath not after the dog has finished doin his behavior. Dogs do not work for credit. By the time the dog comes to you when called, he's not longer thinking of the command. Dogs respond in predictable, instinctive, reflexive, ways, to situations and cir***stances of their environment which we provide for them. That means we can change or control the environment to set the dog up to perform as predicted, and know when to do what you've planned in advance, to properly trigger / distract / praise / trigger / distract / praise the behavior till it's extinguished, MUCH LIKE FLOODING, but not quite... Or, we may use traditional flooding techniques with distraction / praise to extinguish behaviors. Before addressing behavior problems we condition the dog to praise with every brief eye contact and learn HOWE to handle the lead so we're not pulling on the collar and triggering the dog or hyping him up for a random outburst. Proper leash handling techniques insures safety and teaches the dog gentleness and conditions them to respond to our praise, as it entices the dog in and settles him down in just a few minutes. It's kinda like Dr. Ian Dunbar's "make like a tree," but not really anything at all quite like it. They just look similar at first glance. The Hot & Cold Exercise is like the kid's game "gettin hotter gettin colder" with the dog's attention and body as we stand and handle the lead properly to get the feel for it and reassure the dogs we ain't gonna be pullin no more on them. After a few minutes the dog will be hangin out waitin for you to do something, then you're ready to go into the Family Leadership Exercise where we very subtly work the dog in a conditioning routine we'll rely on for other situations and begin to install the come command as a conditioned reflex. That usually takes my students about one hour, often less, very rarely four hours, but that'd get a perfect recall on the most difficult critter. Once we've got that dog willing to work with us we can begin to break his behavior problems using variable distractions and praise techniques. Using praise in advance relaxes the dog and encourages him. For training, isn't that all we need? Praising BAD BEHAVIORS is GOOD. If your dog were boltin out the door, it's not "NO! STOP!," it's GOOD GIRL NICEDOG YOU'RE A GOOOOD FELLA!!. The dog ain't goin NOWHERE except come back over to you. Might even ask if he wants to go to the park. Sure he wants to but you don't. Who cares? He's only a DOG. Tell him you're gonna put your shoes on to go but it'll be a minit. Dogs like kids FORGET in a minute... Tomorrow when you ARE going to the park, tell him you're goin cause you PROMISED him yesterday, and now it's time. They'll think you're the kat's pajamas for bein the greatest mom/dad in the whole wild world. Dogs and kids just wanna have fun. Therefore my dogs never see me frown on them. NO MATTER WHAT. I never tell them NO or DON'T, or physically reach to restrain them, partly because THAT would trigger the opposition reflex and compel the dog to "outstep me" and rush the door or eat the steak or whatever AND teach the dog that doin THAT, will command 100% of your undivided attention... That's HOWE COME proper understanding of the methods and developing the feel for leash handling is imperative, so's we don't sabotage ourselves by reacting to our own fears of dangerous situations we're gonna work through in a few minutes if you can refrain yourself from saying NO DON'T! and pullin the lead to force control. Of course I know that your dog isn't having leash problems, but it fits here... Our dogs naturally want to do everything they're asked, cause just like kids, dogs just wanna have fun. Your Puppy Wizard. <YPW;~} ----- Original Message ----- From: <n> To: "Jerry Howe" <jhowe2@bellsouth.net> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Damned Family Leadership Exercise - Re: Am I expecting to much ================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric To: jhowe2@bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM Subject: just checking in.. Jerry! You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago regarding submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days using your techniques! He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"! Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter of minutes. Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer. I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed 'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to be good dogs! Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward to working with these guys a couple times a day... Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T", I learned from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain rather than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense. I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone who beat MY ass lol! Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs. A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship". He is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it (pun intended)... Too cool.... Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work! Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard ========================== Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me! Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500 Message-ID: uim43blqq1h67d@corp.supernews.com Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using Jerry's methods with our dog. We had the same problem as the original poster has with Buzz. One day working with the family pack exercise and practicing the recall command with the family and she'll now go out with hubby and daughter instead of needing me to reassure her or even refusing to go with anyone but me. I really urge you, regardless of the negative things you might hear about Jerry & Wits' End here, to try the method and *judge the results for yourself*. Let's see what other areas she's improved in... always comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave it laying around, "re"housebroken after long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash, doesn't try to steal food from our plates or beg... probably a few more things I'm forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi and don't wander. jh). That's in about a week's time. Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive (except with her area/toys where she was possessive and nippy). She had been abused and beaten by previous owners, then she was in a shelter for months. They (most of them) wanted to give up and kill her Now she's gained confidence and trust with us. Last night was another big breakthrough (in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she barked just once when she heard the front door. Great! Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about Jerry or that the Wits' End manual is culled from other sources. In my opinion, even if it is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves out the bad. Works for me. (And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know Jerry personally. I've emailed him and instant messaged him. I have not bought a "Doggy Do Right". He's offered help for free.) Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy http://www.crneckiy.com & http://tarot.crneckiy.com E-mail & MSN Messenger: mick@crneckiy.com AIM & Yahoo!: MickCrneckiy ~ ICQ: 72461227 ====================== ================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Hoku Beltz To: The Puppy Wizard Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: Mahalo Aloha Jerry, Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy technique is working wonders. I have not had a shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice to be able to leave the bed made and come home to a made bed. Your program is awesome, but you already know that. Keep up the good work! Hoku ================== Thank you, Jerry Howe, Director of Research, BIOSOUND Scientific Director of Training, Wits' End Dog Training 1611 24th St Orlando, FL 32805 Phone: 1-407-425-5092 E-mail: ThePuppyWizard@EarthLink.Net http://www.doggydoright.com |
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Praising BAD Behaviors Is GOOD
HOWEDY People, This post will cover most of what you never thought of and MOORE than you already know about stuff... Interesting X. I've never seen one of them before, and I'm not big on "breed" issues, but I just got to laugh at that picture I got in my head of a Aussie runnin around in a Newfie suit. I'm fallin outta my armchair and my sides are splittin!!! Fine. I prefer to see pups get into their new HOWSES as soon as they're weaned. Many folk prefer to allow the pups to stay with mom till twelve weeks or so, but I've never seen a problem for pups who'd been "orphaned" and into their family much earlier. My preference is six weeks. But that's not addressing your questions. My 40 years experience and some studies I recently read indicates some aggression may be precipitated by S/N. It's a hot button topic for many people, because it's one of those things where "you're damned if you do and damned if you don't." FWIW, according to Judaic law, spaying would be appropriate, neutering would not. There's other laws in their book about such issues as muzzling working draft animals etc. Very interesting stuff. Oh drat! You just burst my bubble! Now I can't laugh about a Aussie dressed in a Newfie suit. When I hear that, I think HYPERACTIVE. Hyperactivity is caused by stress barring such outside influences as toxins in the environment or malignancy of some sort. Purdue recently did some stuff on OCD and determined that stress percipiticpates OCD behaviors (Duh-Oh!). No news to this trainer. That's HOWE COME it's SO EZ for my students to break the anxiety SYNDROME and rehabilitate their hyperactive dogs in a few days, maybe less. Thyroid problems could be involved there too, and I've got a different take on that as well. I rather doubt the thyroid or any system is likely to malfunction for no reason. I believe that the constant on/off stress of ORDINARY DAILY LIFE in an ORDINARY NORMAL HOWEShold, is enough to push dogs, and some breeds more EZily than other's over the edge, resulting in obsessive compulsive behavior disorders like hyperactivity, excessive chewing,barking, digging, pacing, HOWEling, separation anxiety, self mutilation, fear of thunder, and even most carsickness. When I hear THAT, I don't wanna ask what's after the most part... Bummer. I hate that. Scares the beejeesus outta me. Good, I'm relieved. Dogs don't do things for no reason. Do you know what will provoke her? There's a commonality between all behavior problems, so if you can think of what when and where she'd had incidents in the past, you might isolate the triggers, and then you're half way done training her... Perhaps even just your scrutiny can be pressuring her. Dogs are very sensitive critters, it doesn't take much to throw them outta whack. Probably true, but that's the half of it also. I'll try to explain later... Right. That sez to me, she's insecure. It's a survival instinct. HOWE COME should she be insecure and thinking of herself first, rather than "feedin the family," as a mom dog would do? Well, mom dogs do not, they need to sustain themselves first, so they can take care of the bigger picture, even if that means culling her litter. Greed is what it looks like, but dogs aren't capitalists, so it's got to be something telling her there's not enough to go around. Perhaps she's been teased with treats or had rewards withheld? Dogs are scavengers. They steal scraps of food and run to hide with their back to the wall in a heightened state of alert. Putting food or bribes into an untrusting dog's face will likely make him think fight/flight/survive... so I never use food bribes. Sure you can train animals and slaves by withholding or treating with food, it's the bottom line when you think about it. You'd need a mighty big treat bag to control all the food in creation Anything that takes precedence in your dog's mind over you, is usurping your authority and diminishing your dog's esteem for you. Right. That sez to me she's not entirely trusting, that something is concerning her that she's not SAFE. AGGRESSION IS FEAR. We don't attack for no reason, we attack to defend ourselves from a real or perceived threat. In looking for answers, I am not looking to make excuses for the dog's behavior. I personally don't care HOWE COME the dog does something, I deal with the whole problem from another perspective entirely, and many of these insecurity issues will be AUTOMAGICKALLY CURED, just by removing the inconsistencies and stressors in her daily life. Whoever said "it's a dogs life," never put on the hat... Dogs are just as sensitive about family tensions like children squabbling and parents correcting them or the dog, for whatever. LOOK at HOWE many times a day you probably have to say STOP THAT! and correct all of them? At bedtime the kids may give you the standard bedtime runaround, a kid falling and crying about it can make the dog nervous, anything goes. Hmmm. That makes me very suspicious. I like CONSISTENCY. Even if it's bad. But that may be good too, cause it could give us some insight into what's goin down here. By 'someone else,' you mean the kids, anybody else or everybody else? That too, may give some insight as to what's cookin. Hmmm. She's OK with the kids and food? That's got my antennae up. I believe you're sayin she's SAFE with the girls passing her while eating. THAT makes me very happy, if that's correct. At least about the food issue but it offsets itself with the dichotomy of her incidents with the kids. There's too many inconsistencies, and that's gonna tell us what's the problem, I think. Good. Tell us what you know of will set her off, and we can figure out what's upsettin her and HOWE to break the response. That doesn't give me a clear picture. Again, if you can predict when a behavior will happen, we can set it up to break or extinguish it, if it's still a problem after we do some simple preliminary conditioning exercises. Forget respect. FEAR. Something concerns her, it's not disrespect. You just did. No problem. Likewise. I do all my work from sittin right here stark ravin nekkid. I'm wondering if you've done any training with her and if so, HOWE was she trained. The fact she does not growl at YOU when you're near her food is probably not because it's you who gave her the food. That she doesn't growl at the kids around the food, makes me wonder if she's ever been corrected for 'food guarding' with the children. That could explain HOWE COME she won't growl at them near the food, but will in other situations particularly play, concerns me, but in a GOOD way. That's displaced aggression, I expect. That's cause by repressing behaviors. My methods use alternately variable distractions and prolonged non physical praise to extinguish the reflexive behavior through triggerin and non fulfillment, not by ever offering REPLACEMENT or alternate behaviors, because THAT disavails us of training opportunities and leaves the problem behavior intact, waitin on the whim of the dog. That suggests to me that she may be reacting to an incident perhaps long ago where she or the kids had been scolded or corrected for roudy play? That's called superstitious or flashback behavior, whereby a former incident is thought of by a similar cir***stance and the dog simple flashes back to that former state of mind and isn't even thinkin of the present, and usually ends pretty quickly, soon as he realizes this is a different time and place. All we got to do is play with that thought a few times if everything else is in order, and the dog will quickly override his BOOGEYMAN... The food guarding is not against the children, is that correct? Perhaps I'm a little unclear on the scenario. I think you're saying she's fine with you and the kids around the food, the food being an issue for other family members, visitors etc? Has she ever had an incident of growling at you? If so, when, where, and HOWE did you respond to it. Also, HOWE do you currently respond to her incidents with the kids now and HOWE often does this happen? Do you give her treats? Will she 'go off' around a treat or only AT her food bowl, and is she OK with your children around their food and do the children give her treats and is she OK with that? Finally, do you crate her? If so, does she go to her crate on her own? If so, that too, can be causing or exacerbating these issues. Crating can cause a lot of problems for insecurity. Because the crate becomes a safe haven for her, kinda like hiding under the covers from the boogeyman, when the door opens, it's like havin to get outta bed in the dark to go to the toilet... SCARY!!! You might crawl over the bed to get close the light and then run and jump to hit the switch before the monster under the bed can get your by your ankles. Those answers will give us a better idea of exactly HOWE COME the dog is growling. But after all is said, it still doesn't matter to me except as a curiosity. We'll fix this behavior problem EZ, I'm certain. She doesn't sound too scary to me now that we've looked at what she's doing. In fact, and please correct me if I misunderstood, she's ONLY staring and growling and showing some teeth? She's never tried to assault the kids, right? What do you feed and are you using any chemicals around her like floor cleaners containing phenols? I ask about food because some contain BHA, BHT, ETHOXYQUIN, or propylene glycol as preservatives and they're suspect of causing some hyperactive like behavior. You might break the food guarding malarkey by simply moving the dish to another location, preferably a neutral area. IOW, take her out of the environment in which she's accustomed to having incidents, and desensitize her there. But don't start messin with that stuff till you know HOWE to handle it just in case she should go off when you try testing it out. Besides, after an hour of training that food thing will probably disappear on it's own, just from the basic conditioning exercises. You might try taking her dinner bowl in hand and slowly walking her around while eating and making passes by other folks. But not yet, you got a little study to do and some practice... about two hours work. Must be COLD out there. Lets get the lesson plan in mind so you'll have your wits about you if she should growl so we don't lose an opportunity to address an incident should she growl, because doin so in new environment would make it that much easier to break, due to the change of environ. Same question goes for the growling. Is that a generalized behavior or does she only do it say, in the living room or only inside the HOWES, will she growl if they're playin outside. Does she growl ONLY when she's in play? That could be VERY telling. Does she growl when she is NOT ALREADY EXCITED PLAYING (besides at the food bowl, I'm over that)? If so, that's the problem, BUT, that still leaves the question of WHO does she growl at around food? That too could tie up another loose end. Does she always / sometimes / not often come to the kids when they call her? Will she always come to you when you call? Is she walked on leash often, and is she well behaved or is it a struggle, and what kind of collar do you use. Even though you're not writing about an on leash problem, we're still gonna need to work her on lead and longe line for the initial conditioning exercises. The program I teach begins by stopping all negative or corrective responses and interactions with her. That includes scolding the children, because that may be what provokes her to growl. That's called allelomimetic behavior. IOW, if you scold the kids for jumpin on the sofa, the dog will copy your action and attitudes and likewise correct them. Sibling rivalry is not caused by siblings, is cause by mishandling. Scolding one peer in front of the others causes animosity towards the others whom the subject was scolded in front of. That causes 2 things to happen. The scolded party gets embarrasses and assaults the observers of the scolding, or the observers copy the disciplinarian, and likewise scold the subject. Catch22. HOWE are we gonna control three kid critters and one Aussie runnin around in a midget Newfie suit??? Could take three juvenile detention and one AC officers 24/8 to throw down on them when they get goin like kids will do. I'm pretty EZ going, but I require strict discipline. I can't have a child interrupting me while I'm doin this and have my dogs going kookamunga while I'm trying to teach someone on the phone HOWE to control their dog's barking, for example. NOW I'd be curious about the ages of the kids "children under age 13," cause if there's things like hyperactive or disabled children or autistic kids or an infant who'd maybe cry or have seizures or whatever that could upset the dog. I'm not lookin for excuses to mitigate her behavior, just to understand it better so's we're lookin at the facts of the matter based on what is happening Vs feelings about HOWE whatever we may emotionally feel about stuff. We want to back away from the micro aspects of the behavior so we can take in the big picture and then we can see what parts don't fit, and figure out what to do to remedy the etiology rather than fightin symptoms of the problem, because as we repress symptoms, they change, to other, often worse, seemingly non related behaviors as trainsfer or replacement behaviors. That's HOWE COME so many dogs go through every behavior problem in the book before simply runnin outa behavior problems that haven't already been repressed. Think about it. As we repress all the normal puppy behaviors we make the pup nervous cause he's only a animal. They cannot know right from wrong, only what's nice and what's not. They're not a human child, they cannot understand BAD. Dogs do not DO, BAD, dogs only do dog, and of curse, they also copy us. As the dog matures to 8-9 months they go through their 'adolescent rebellious' stage (Scott &Fuller). HOWE can a dog have a rebellious stage if there's nothing to REBEL AGAINST? Well, he still has not run through all the behavior problems he can be provoked into, so when he's maturing as a ****ager and trying for more freedom, we become more repressive because the dog is out of hand, and there goes the shootin match. My student's dogs do not go through that because we never have a negative or forced interaction with them, we NEVER tell them NO or INSIST on a command, because THAT triggers the opposition reflex and makes the dog rebel. Our dogs are eager to work because we PRAISE IN ADVANCE, with the command, all in one breath not after the dog has finished doin his behavior. Dogs do not work for credit. By the time the dog comes to you when called, he's not longer thinking of the command. Dogs respond in predictable, instinctive, reflexive, ways, to situations and cir***stances of their environment which we provide for them. That means we can change or control the environment to set the dog up to perform as predicted, and know when to do what you've planned in advance, to properly trigger / distract / praise / trigger / distract / praise the behavior till it's extinguished, MUCH LIKE FLOODING, but not quite... Or, we may use traditional flooding techniques with distraction / praise to extinguish behaviors. Before addressing behavior problems we condition the dog to praise with every brief eye contact and learn HOWE to handle the lead so we're not pulling on the collar and triggering the dog or hyping him up for a random outburst. Proper leash handling techniques insures safety and teaches the dog gentleness and conditions them to respond to our praise, as it entices the dog in and settles him down in just a few minutes. It's kinda like Dr. Ian Dunbar's "make like a tree," but not really anything at all quite like it. They just look similar at first glance. The Hot & Cold Exercise is like the kid's game "gettin hotter gettin colder" with the dog's attention and body as we stand and handle the lead properly to get the feel for it and reassure the dogs we ain't gonna be pullin no more on them. After a few minutes the dog will be hangin out waitin for you to do something, then you're ready to go into the Family Leadership Exercise where we very subtly work the dog in a conditioning routine we'll rely on for other situations and begin to install the come command as a conditioned reflex. That usually takes my students about one hour, often less, very rarely four hours, but that'd get a perfect recall on the most difficult critter. Once we've got that dog willing to work with us we can begin to break his behavior problems using variable distractions and praise techniques. Using praise in advance relaxes the dog and encourages him. For training, isn't that all we need? Praising BAD BEHAVIORS is GOOD. If your dog were boltin out the door, it's not "NO! STOP!," it's GOOD GIRL NICEDOG YOU'RE A GOOOOD FELLA!!. The dog ain't goin NOWHERE except come back over to you. Might even ask if he wants to go to the park. Sure he wants to but you don't. Who cares? He's only a DOG. Tell him you're gonna put your shoes on to go but it'll be a minit. Dogs like kids FORGET in a minute... Tomorrow when you ARE going to the park, tell him you're goin cause you PROMISED him yesterday, and now it's time. They'll think you're the kat's pajamas for bein the greatest mom/dad in the whole wild world. Dogs and kids just wanna have fun. Therefore my dogs never see me frown on them. NO MATTER WHAT. I never tell them NO or DON'T, or physically reach to restrain them, partly because THAT would trigger the opposition reflex and compel the dog to "outstep me" and rush the door or eat the steak or whatever AND teach the dog that doin THAT, will command 100% of your undivided attention... That's HOWE COME proper understanding of the methods and developing the feel for leash handling is imperative, so's we don't sabotage ourselves by reacting to our own fears of dangerous situations we're gonna work through in a few minutes if you can refrain yourself from saying NO DON'T! and pullin the lead to force control. Of course I know that your dog isn't having leash problems, but it fits here... Our dogs naturally want to do everything they're asked, cause just like kids, dogs just wanna have fun. Your Puppy Wizard. <{}YPW; ~ } >. ----- Original Message ----- From: <n> To: "Jerry Howe" <> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Damned Family Leadership Exercise - Re: Am I expecting to much ================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric To: jhowe2@bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM Subject: just checking in.. Jerry! You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago regarding submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days using your techniques! He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"! Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter of minutes. Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer. I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed 'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to be good dogs! Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward to working with these guys a couple times a day... Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T", I learned from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain rather than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense. I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone who beat MY ass lol! Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs. A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship". He is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it (pun intended)... Too cool.... Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work! Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard ========================== Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me! Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500 Message-ID: uim43blqq1h67d@corp.supernews.com Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using Jerry's methods with our dog. We had the same problem as the original poster has with Buzz. One day working with the family pack exercise and practicing the recall command with the family and she'll now go out with hubby and daughter instead of needing me to reassure her or even refusing to go with anyone but me. I really urge you, regardless of the negative things you might hear about Jerry & Wits' End here, to try the method and *judge the results for yourself*. Let's see what other areas she's improved in... always comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave it laying around, "re"housebroken after long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash, doesn't try to steal food from our plates or beg... probably a few more things I'm forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi and don't wander. jh). That's in about a week's time. Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive (except with her area/toys where she was possessive and nippy). She had been abused and beaten by previous owners, then she was in a shelter for months. They (most of them) wanted to give up and kill her Now she's gained confidence and trust with us. Last night was another big breakthrough (in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she barked just once when she heard the front door. Great! Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about Jerry or that the Wits' End manual is culled from other sources. In my opinion, even if it is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves out the bad. Works for me. (And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know Jerry personally. I've emailed him and instant messaged him. I have not bought a "Doggy Do Right". He's offered help for free.) Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy http://www.crneckiy.com & http://tarot.crneckiy.com E-mail & MSN Messenger: mick@crneckiy.com AIM & Yahoo!: MickCrneckiy ~ ICQ: 72461227 ====================== "Hoku Beltz" <hoku@rsphawaii.com> wrote in message news:SN2k9.45447$V7.10868114@twister.socal.rr.com. .. ================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Hoku Beltz To: The Puppy Wizard Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: Mahalo Aloha Jerry, Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy technique is working wonders. I have not had a shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice to be able to leave the bed made and come home to a made bed. Your program is awesome, but you already know that. Keep up the good work! Hoku ================== Thank you, Jerry Howe, Director of Research, BIOSOUND Scientific Director of Training, Wits' End Dog Training 1611 24th St Orlando, FL 32805 Phone: 1-407-425-5092 E-mail: ThePuppyWizard@EarthLink.Net http://www.doggydoright.com |
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Date: 2003-06-17 23:38:10 PST HOWEDY People, This post will cover most of what you never thought of and MOORE than you already know about stuff... Interesting X. I've never seen one of them before, and I'm not big on "breed" issues, but I just got to laugh at that picture I got in my head of a Aussie runnin around in a Newfie suit. I'm fallin outta my armchair and my sides are splittin!!! Fine. I prefer to see pups get into their new HOWSES as soon as they're weaned. Many folk prefer to allow the pups to stay with mom till twelve weeks or so, but I've never seen a problem for pups who'd been "orphaned" and into their family much earlier. My preference is six weeks. But that's not addressing your questions. My 40 years experience and some studies I recently read indicates some aggression may be precipitated by S/N. It's a hot button topic for many people, because it's one of those things where "you're damned if you do and damned if you don't." FWIW, according to Judaic law, spaying would be appropriate, neutering would not. There's other laws in their book about such issues as muzzling working draft animals etc. Very interesting stuff. Oh drat! You just burst my bubble! Now I can't laugh about a Aussie dressed in a Newfie suit. When I hear that, I think HYPERACTIVE. Hyperactivity is caused by stress barring such outside influences as toxins in the environment or malignancy of some sort. Purdue recently did some stuff on OCD and determined that stress percipiticpates OCD behaviors (Duh-Oh!). No news to this trainer. That's HOWE COME it's SO EZ for my students to break the anxiety SYNDROME and rehabilitate their hyperactive dogs in a few days, maybe less. Thyroid problems could be involved there too, and I've got a different take on that as well. I rather doubt the thyroid or any system is likely to malfunction for no reason. I believe that the constant on/off stress of ORDINARY DAILY LIFE in an ORDINARY NORMAL HOWEShold, is enough to push dogs, and some breeds more EZily than other's over the edge, resulting in obsessive compulsive behavior disorders like hyperactivity, excessive chewing,barking, digging, pacing, HOWEling, separation anxiety, self mutilation, fear of thunder, and even most carsickness. When I hear THAT, I don't wanna ask what's after the most part... Bummer. I hate that. Scares the beejeesus outta me. Good, I'm relieved. Dogs don't do things for no reason. Do you know what will provoke her? There's a commonality between all behavior problems, so if you can think of what when and where she'd had incidents in the past, you might isolate the triggers, and then you're half way done training her... Perhaps even just your scrutiny can be pressuring her. Dogs are very sensitive critters, it doesn't take much to throw them outta whack. Probably true, but that's the half of it also. I'll try to explain later... Right. That sez to me, she's insecure. It's a survival instinct. HOWE COME should she be insecure and thinking of herself first, rather than "feedin the family," as a mom dog would do? Well, mom dogs do not, they need to sustain themselves first, so they can take care of the bigger picture, even if that means culling her litter. Greed is what it looks like, but dogs aren't capitalists,\0 so it's got to be something telling her there's not enough to go around. Perhaps she's been teased with treats or had rewards withheld? Dogs are scavengers. They steal scraps of food and run to hide with their back to the wall in a heightened state of alert. Putting food or bribes into an untrusting dog's face will likely make him think fight/flight/survive... so I never use food bribes. Sure you can train animals and slaves by withholding or treating with food, it's the bottom line when you think about it. You'd need a mighty big treat bag to control all the food in creation Anything that takes precedence in your dog's mind over you, is usurping your authority and diminishing your dog's esteem for you. Right. That sez to me she's not entirely trusting, that something is concerning her that she's not SAFE. AGGRESSION IS FEAR. We don't attack for no reason, we attack to defend ourselves from a real or perceived threat. In looking for answers, I am not looking to make excuses for the dog's behavior. I personally don't care HOWE COME the dog does something, I deal with the whole problem from another perspective entirely, and many of these insecurity issues will be AUTOMAGICKALLY CURED, just by removing the inconsistencies and stressors in her daily life. Whoever said "it's a dogs life," never put on the hat... Dogs are just as sensitive about family tensions like children squabbling and parents correcting them or the dog, for whatever. LOOK at HOWE many times a day you probably have to say STOP THAT! and correct all of them? At bedtime the kids may give you the standard bedtime runaround, a kid falling and crying about it can make the dog nervous, anything goes. Hmmm. That makes me very suspicious. I like CONSISTENCY. Even if it's bad. But that may be good too, cause it could give us some insight into what's goin down here. By 'someone else,' you mean the kids, anybody else or everybody else? That too, may give some insight as to what's cookin. Hmmm. She's OK with the kids and food? That's got my antennae up. I believe you're sayin she's SAFE with the girls passing her while eating. THAT makes me very happy, if that's correct. At least about the food issue but it offsets itself with the dichotomy of her incidents with the kids. There's too many inconsistencies, and that's gonna tell us what's the problem, I think. Good. Tell us what you know of will set her off, and we can figure out what's upsettin her and HOWE to break the response. That doesn't give me a clear picture. Again, if you can predict when a behavior will happen, we can set it up to break or extinguish it, if it's still a problem after we do some simple preliminary conditioning exercises. Forget respect. FEAR. Something concerns her, it's not disrespect. You just did. No problem. Likewise. I do all my work from sittin right here stark ravin nekkid. I'm wondering if you've done any training with her and if so, HOWE was she trained. The fact she does not growl at YOU when you're near her food is probably not because it's you who gave her the food. That she doesn't growl at the kids around the food, makes me wonder if she's ever been corrected for 'food guarding' with the children. That could explain HOWE COME she won't growl at them near the food, but will in other situations particularly play, concerns me, but in a GOOD way. That's displaced aggression, I expect. That's cause by repressing behaviors. My methods use alternately variable distractions and prolonged non physical praise to extinguish the reflexive behavior through triggerin and non fulfillment, not by ever offering REPLACEMENT or alternate behaviors, because THAT disavails us of training opportunities and leaves the problem behavior intact, waitin on the whim of the dog. That suggests to me that she may be reacting to an incident perhaps long ago where she or the kids had been scolded or corrected for roudy play? That's called superstitious or flashback behavior, whereby a former incident is thought of by a similar cir***stance and the dog simple flashes back to that former state of mind and isn't even thinkin of the present, and usually ends pretty quickly, soon as he realizes this is a different time and place. All we got to do is play with that thought a few times if everything else is in order, and the dog will quickly override his BOOGEYMAN... The food guarding is not against the children, is that correct? Perhaps I'm a little unclear on the scenario. I think you're saying she's fine with you and the kids around the food, the food being an issue for other family members, visitors etc? Has she ever had an incident of growling at you? If so, when, where, and HOWE did you respond to it. Also, HOWE do you currently respond to her incidents with the kids now and HOWE often does this happen? Do you give her treats? Will she 'go off' around a treat or only AT her food bowl, and is she OK with your children around their food and do the children give her treats and is she OK with that? Finally, do you crate her? If so, does she go to her crate on her own? If so, that too, can be causing or exacerbating these issues. Crating can cause a lot of problems for insecurity. Because the crate becomes a safe haven for her, kinda like hiding under the covers from the boogeyman, when the door opens, it's like havin to get outta bed in the dark to go to the toilet... SCARY!!! You might crawl over the bed to get close the light and then run and jump to hit the switch before the monster under the bed can get your by your ankles. Those answers will give us a better idea of exactly HOWE COME the dog is growling. But after all is said, it still doesn't matter to me except as a curiosity. We'll fix this behavior problem EZ, I'm certain. She doesn't sound too scary to me now that we've looked at what she's doing. In fact, and please correct me if I misunderstood, she's ONLY staring and growling and showing some teeth? She's never tried to assault the kids, right? What do you feed and are you using any chemicals around her like floor cleaners containing phenols? I ask about food because some contain BHA, BHT, ETHOXYQUIN, or propylene glycol as preservatives and they're suspect of causing some hyperactive like behavior. You might break the food guarding malarkey by simply moving the dish to another location, preferably a neutral area. IOW, take her out of the environment in which she's accustomed to having incidents, and desensitize her there. But don't start messin with that stuff till you know HOWE to handle it just in case she should go off when you try testing it out. Besides, after an hour of training that food thing will probably disappear on it's own, just from the basic conditioning exercises. You might try taking her dinner bowl in hand and slowly walking her around while eating and making passes by other folks. But not yet, you got a little study to do and some practice... about two hours work. Must be COLD out there. Lets get the lesson plan in mind so you'll have your wits about you if she should growl so we don't lose an opportunity to address an incident should she growl, because doin so in new environment would make it that much easier to break, due to the change of environ. Same question goes for the growling. Is that a generalized behavior or does she only do it say, in the living room or only inside the HOWES, will she growl if they're playin outside. Does she growl ONLY when she's in play? That could be VERY telling. Does she growl when she is NOT ALREADY EXCITED PLAYING (besides at the food bowl, I'm over that)? If so, that's the problem, BUT, that still leaves the question of WHO does she growl at around food? That too could tie up another loose end. Does she always / sometimes / not often come to the kids when they call her? Will she always come to you when you call? Is she walked on leash often, and is she well behaved or is it a struggle, and what kind of collar do you use. Even though you're not writing about an on leash problem, we're still gonna need to work her on lead and longe line for the initial conditioning exercises. The program I teach begins by stopping all negative or corrective responses and interactions with her. That includes sclding the children, because that may be what provokes her to growl. That's called allelomimetic behavior. IOW, if you scold the kids for jumpin on the sofa, the dog will copy your action and attitudes and likewise correct them. Sibling rivalry is not caused by siblings, is cause by mishandling. Scolding one peer in front of the others causes animosity towards the others whom the subject was scolded in front of. That causes 2 things to happen. The scolded party gets embarrasses and assaults the observers of the scolding, or the observers copy the disciplinarian, and likewise scold the subject. Catch22. HOWE are we gonna control three kid critters and one Aussie runnin around in a midget Newfie suit??? Could take three juvenile detention and one AC officers 24/8 to throw down on them when they get goin like kids will do. I'm pretty EZ going, but I require strict discipline. I can't have a child interrupting me while I'm doin this and have my dogs going kookamunga while I'm trying to teach someone on the phone HOWE to control their dog's barking, for example. NOW I'd be curious about the ages of the kids "children under age 13," cause if there's things like hyperactive or disabled children or autistic kids or an infant who'd maybe cry or have seizures or whatever that could upset the dog. I'm not lookin for excuses to mitigate her behavior, just to understand it better so's we're lookin at the facts of the matter based on what is happening Vs feelings about HOWE whatever we may emotionally feel about stuff. We want to back away from the micro aspects of the behavior so we can take in the big picture and then we can see what parts don't fit, and figure out what to do to remedy the etiology rather than fightin symptoms of the problem, because as we repress symptoms, they change, to other, often worse, seemingly non related behaviors as trainsfer or replacement behaviors. That's HOWE COME so many dogs go through every behavior problem in the book before simply runnin outa behavior problems that haven't already been repressed. Think about it. As we repress all the normal puppy behaviors we make the pup nervous cause he's only a animal. They cannot know right from wrong, only what's nice and what's not. They're not a human child, they cannot understand BAD. Dogs do not DO, BAD, dogs only do dog, and of curse, they also copy us. As the dog matures to 8-9 months they go through their 'adolescent rebellious' stage (Scott &Fuller). HOWE can a dog have a rebellious stage if there's nothing to REBEL AGAINST? Well, he still has not run through all the behavior problems he can be provoked into, so when he's maturing as a ****ager and trying for more freedom, we become more repressive because the dog is out of hand, and there goes the shootin match. My student's dogs do not go through that because we never have a negative or forced interaction with them, we NEVER tell them NO or INSIST on a command, because THAT triggers the opposition reflex and makes the dog rebel. Our dogs are eager to work because we PRAISE IN ADVANCE, with the command, all in one breath not after the dog has finished doin his behavior. Dogs do not work for credit. By the time the dog comes to you when called, he's not longer thinking of the command. Dogs respond in predictable, instinctive, reflexive, ways, to situations and cir***stances of their environment which we provide for them. That means we can change or control the environment to set the dog up to perform as predicted, and know when to do what you've planned in advance, to properly trigger / distract / praise / trigger / distract / praise the behavior till it's extinguished, MUCH LIKE FLOODING, but not quite... Or, we may use traditional flooding techniques with distraction / praise to extinguish behaviors. Before addressing behavior problems we condition the dog to praise with every brief eye contact and learn HOWE to handle the lead so we're not pulling on the collar and triggering the dog or hyping him up for a random outburst. Proper leash handling techniques insures safety and teaches the dog gentleness and conditions them to respond to our praise, as it entices the dog in and settles him down in just a few minutes. It's kinda like Dr. Ian Dunbar's "make like a tree," but not really anything at all quite like it. They just look similar at first glance. The Hot & Cold Exercise is like the kid's game "gettin hotter gettin colder" with the dog's attention and body as we stand and handle the lead properly to get the feel for it and reassure the dogs we ain't gonna be pullin no more on them. After a few minutes the dog will be hangin out waitin for you to do something, then you're ready to go into the Family Leadership Exercise where we very subtly work the dog in a conditioning routine we'll rely on for other situations and begin to install the come command as a conditioned reflex. That usually takes my students about one hour, often less, very rarely four hours, but that'd get a perfect recall on the most difficult critter. Once we've got that dog willing to work with us we can begin to break his behavior problems using variable distractions and praise techniques. Using praise in advance relaxes the dog and encourages him. For training, isn't that all we need? Praising BAD BEHAVIORS is GOOD. If your dog were boltin out the door, it's not "NO! STOP!," it's GOOD GIRL NICEDOG YOU'RE A GOOOOD FELLA!!. The dog ain't goin NOWHERE except come back over to you. Might even ask if he wants to go to the park. Sure he wants to but you don't. Who cares? He's only a DOG. Tell him you're gonna put your shoes on to go but it'll be a minit. Dogs like kids FORGET in a minute... Tomorrow when you ARE going to the park, tell him you're goin cause you PROMISED him yesterday, and now it's time. They'll think you're the kat's pajamas for bein the greatest mom/dad in the whole wild world. Dogs and kids just wanna have fun. Therefore my dogs never see me frown on them. NO MATTER WHAT. I never tell them NO or DON'T, or physically reach to restrain them, partly because THAT would trigger the opposition reflex and compel the dog to "outstep me" and rush the door or eat the steak or whatever AND teach the dog that doin THAT, will command 100% of your undivided attention... That's HOWE COME proper understanding of the methods and developing the feel for leash handling is imperative, so's we don't sabotage ourselves by reacting to our own fears of dangerous situations we're gonna work through in a few minutes if you can refrain yourself from saying NO DON'T! and pullin the lead to force control. Of course I know that your dog isn't having leash problems, but it fits here... Our dogs naturally want to do everything they're asked, cause just like kids, dogs just wanna have fun. Your Puppy Wizard. <YPW;~} ----- Original Message ----- From: <n> To: "Jerry Howe" <jhowe2@bellsouth.net> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Damned Family Leadership Exercise - Re: Am I expecting to much ================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric To: jhowe2@bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM Subject: just checking in.. Jerry! You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago regarding submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days using your techniques! He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"! Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter of minutes. Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer. I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed 'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to be good dogs! Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward to working with these guys a couple times a day... Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T", I learned from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain rather than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense. I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone who beat MY ass lol! Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs. A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship". He is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it (pun intended)... Too cool.... Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work! Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard ========================== Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me! Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500 Message-ID: uim43blqq1h67d@corp.supernews.com Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using Jerry's methods with our dog. We had the same problem as the original poster has with Buzz. One day working with the family pack exercise and practicing the recall command with the family and she'll now go out with hubby and daughter instead of needing me to reassure her or even refusing to go with anyone but me. I really urge you, regardless of the negative things you might hear about Jerry & Wits' End here, to try the method and *judge the results for yourself*. Let's see what other areas she's improved in... always comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave it laying around, "re"housebroken after long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash, doesn't try to steal food from our plates or beg... probably a few more things I'm forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi and don't wander. jh). That's in about a week's time. Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive (except with her area/toys where she was possessive and nippy). She had been abused and beaten by previous owners, then she was in a shelter for months. They (most of them) wanted to give up and kill her Now she's gained confidence and trust with us. Last night was another big breakthrough (in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she barked just once when she heard the front door. Great! Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about Jerry or that the Wits' End manual is culled from other sources. In my opinion, even if it is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves out the bad. Works for me. (And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know Jerry personally. I've emailed him and instant messaged him. I have not bought a "Doggy Do Right". He's offered help for free.) Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy http://www.crneckiy.com & http://tarot.crneckiy.com E-mail & MSN Messenger: mick@crneckiy.com AIM & Yahoo!: MickCrneckiy ~ ICQ: 72461227 ====================== ================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Hoku Beltz To: The Puppy Wizard Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: Mahalo Aloha Jerry, Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy technique is working wonders. I have not had a shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice to be able to leave the bed made and come home to a made bed. Your program is awesome, but you already know that. Keep up the good work! Hoku ================== Thank you, Jerry Howe, Director of Research, BIOSOUND Scientific Director of Training, Wits' End Dog Training 1611 24th St Orlando, FL 32805 Phone: 1-407-425-5092 Phone: 1-888-BIOSOUND (1-888-246-7686) E-mail: ThePuppyWizard@EarthLink.Net http://www.doggydoright.com |
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The Puppy Wizard has E***POSED the FOOLS and identified them as liar dog abusers cowards and MENTAL CASES. You want E***ONERATION? NoWON is a dog abuser here abHOWETS, joe. HOWE'S that make you feel, less EMBARRASSED??? You mean, IDENTIFYING, E***POSING, and DISS-CREDITING HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Coward MENTAL CASES, joe? The Puppy Wizard has E***ONERATED you an your pals! You AIN'T GUILTY of ANIMAL ABUSE. You're all INNOCENT of CRIMNAL ANIMAL ABUSE by reason of INSANITY: Here's a partial list of the liars, dog abusers, and active MENTALLY ILL we entertrain here abHOWETS: lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver: For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it. When he barks, use the line for a correction. - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar. Lynn K. -------------------------------------------- "I'll bet you don't know a thing about me. I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted animals. This however has nothing at all to do with responsible breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute to that problem," Mustang Sally. I'll be you've never had to put down litters of beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe you'd be singing a different tune? "Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer for the trash company to come and dispose of. No different tune," ~Emily INDEEDY. On accHOWENT of The Puppy Wizard don't want noWON to miss the FREAK PARADE: here is our latest crazy person update, including our latest wacko, kelly aka, culprit, a systems engineer at Microsoft, proving that Bill Gates does not discriminate against crazy people. RPD* Ment_ally Ill All_StaRz as of 10/9/03 ----------------------------------------------- MENTAL ILLNESS IN RPD* Mental illness is a public issue in these newsgroups. People are always running around calling other people mentally ill and diagnosing their illnesses. I think it's only fair that we have an accurate list of who is and who isn't mentally ill, so that we can avoid any misunderstandings and promote group harmony. Updated KUCKOO!! KUCKOOO! DING! DING! DING! list as of 10/09/2003:\0 list of confirmed or suspected mentally ill (crazy) Regulars Most of whom are women or homo***uals ======================================= NESSA Successfully dethroned MaryBeth as MVP NUTCASE (Most Valuable Psycho) of dog newsgroups MVP Nessa blames all the problems in her life most on ADD ADHD Or some other empowering acronym val which encapsulates her futility for her psycho her dog bagel has used her house liberally as a toilet since February of 2002. Drives a 2003 Toyota Matrix, owns a house in suburban MD, recently got a raise/promotion to US goverment grade 11 (circa $50,000) and promptly decided she couldn't afford her two dogs. With help from non crazy regular (Paulette) and witchcraft practicing regular Sara Sionnach, Nessa has decided to keep her dogs for the time being. She is undergoing training from Janet "Nice Abdominal Surgery and getting Run Over for the Family Pet." Her results have not been dramatic. CrAzy ReGulAr helping CraZy ReGular Leah helping Nessa ============================= On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 8:40:08 -0400, Leah wrote Nessa usenet@nessa.info wrote: "As far as the depression goes, it's not related to Bagel at all. I have chronic major depression and I'm just having a flare." Leah asks yes for depression, mood swings and ADHD. I have been for over 10 years. --nessa Nessa is Fat as well as crazy ============================= "For what it's worth... I picked up 30 pounds when I started Dilantin. I picked up (just recently) another 20 on risperidol. I hate that I was a size 8-10 before meds and now I am solidly (pun intended) a 22-24. Sad part is, the side effects are worth it. The positive effects are too much to part with." --nessa NESSA'S HAS A GREAT NEUROPSYCH ============================== Hi, I have a great neuropsych in Arlington Va. He is at the Rosyln Metro Station. His name is Martin Stein 1911 N Fort Myer Dr. Suite 907 Arlington Va 22209 703-807-2471 email 75120.2296@compuserve.com Marty is wonderful. He is really the best. He has also given me permission to post his infomation on this Newsgroup. If you call him and see him by all means tell him Nessa sent you. --nessa ROTATE YOUR STIMULANTS ============================= from: Nessa (nessa@ix.netcom.com) Hi, I often have to rotate my stimulants. You can become used to them and sometimes need a different one for a while. Until I got on my Desoxyn I rotated Ritilan and Dexedrine every 3 months or so. It is true that anti-depressants or anti-anxiety pills will help with the stimulants so your DR is not wrong. However, perhaps she needs to check into the idea that a switch from cylert to something else might be in order. warm thoughts, Nessa Kelly/ severe OCD, ADD, major depression with culprit psychotic features, panic and more. Coming forward so that others like her will have the strength to do the same. Like Charlie Wilkes, she is one of our most entertraining regulars Here, kelly/culprit talks to Mustang Sally about her mental illness/crazy problems. Sally is being rude and condescending (as usual) and trying to make kelly/culprit feel bad for being crazy, aka wacked in the head culprit standing up for herself against rude and condescending Mustang Sally ----------------------------------------------- but i stand by the fact that OCD is an illness, major depression with psychotic features certainly is, panic disorder is too. and the other stuff just makes it all the more fun. i don't wallow in it. i'm just now learning to accept it, because ignoring it wasn't working out too well. i need to do that to make changes to my life so that i can become healthy. and you say you're not trying to be condescending, but you're doing it again. what i read was, (my paraphrasing) "people who think they're mentally ill are wallowing in their disabilities and letting them consume their life" you come across as though you would be able to handle any of these illnesses, and anyone who can't is just copping out. well we're all different. and i don't accept your idea that i would have a more productive life if i denied my problems. i tried it for years, and believe me, it didn't work very well. -kelly -------------------------------------------- MaryBeth MVP (most valuable psycho) (super psycho bitch lunatic queen of the mentally ****ed in the head Has contributed greatly to the annual profit results at several large pharmaceutical corps has taken virtually every mentally ill (crazy) drug treatment in the book, and then some: prozac, zoloft, amitryptiline, Buspar, Xanax, effexor, paxil, HRT, wellbutrin, tranquilizers, clomid, has suffered from or been: suicidal, agoraphobic, tidal waves of PMS, mood swings, turned into a hermit, bloated, just real angry, hubby afraid of her, high blood pressure, divorced, "raving bitch" "zoloft zombie" for four years, "living through layers and layers of gauze," chain smoker, buzzing, weight gain, fatigue, terrible dry mouth, dull headaches, fuzzy brain, lack of concentration..etc. severe depression, severe insomnia, Panic ALL the time, crying, not sleeping, you name it...etc... MaryBeth (on being seriously f'd in the ead aka mentally ill) aka cuckoo! kuckoo! ding! ding! ding! aka a superpsychotic bitch from hell "I know for a fact I went thru years of being overly sensitive, being a b*tch, being self centered, being self pitying, you name it, I was a wreck and I ran over everyone in my path." "<G> I do know the power of meds, especially on a long term basis, and it's not pretty. You become another person, if it's not the correct med for you. --All the best, MaryBeth "Yup Diane, I am taking Zoloft, and my Rheumatologist told me that taking Ultram with it can cause seizures." "I have all the symptoms.I am suicidal at times (cyclical) have severe insomnia, 'crawly' skin etc. I have an appt to see my doc next Friday to test for menopause." --MaryBeth "I noticed that antidepressants cut libido into the dead zone and I had no real emotions, like not laughing at funny stuff, couldn't cry either.....except about my suicidal thoughts (but at the time I thought there was no other way out)." --MaryBeth "Hi, new to group, just starting Clomid today. I talked with RE and pharmacist re: zoloft (50 mg daily) and ineraction with Clomid. They reported none. Not sure about the prozac tho. Gonna poat a new message to intorduce myself " --MaryBeth <still feeling like herself> <G> "I wasted about 10 years of my life, and lost many many treasured ppl and things. Please don't do the same. (((((((SCOUT)))))))))) --MaryBeth "Slowly but surely my depression got worse and worse. They put me on meds for it, and all along kept telling me to wait on the TKR, as 'it really wasn't that bad.....yet". HA!" The depression got so bad, and lots of other things happened and my ex and I would up divorced four years after our move. It was horrible. The hardest thing I have ever gone thru" --MaryBeth Theresa Willis (paxil, depression, robot displacement) shelly couvrette OCD, depression, drugs to be named later (familial mental illness, possibly related to family bed) obsessively starves her dogs according to friends, family, strangers and 3 different vets, but not herself lynn kosmakos (Lithium, Zoloft, bipolar, manic, depression) will "put down a biter as fast as anyone" yet claims to be a saintly dog rescuer Leah Effexor for chronic depression, in denial about being mentally ill. Has taken several other mentally ill medications before settling on effexor for her chronic mental problems Tara Green was on antidepressants for a few years prior to her marriage. During her marriage, she learned a lot: "With the therapist I saw during my marriage I learned that some situational depressions are masked as chemical simply because of our too human ability to prolong the impact of the causal situations indefinitely" Sounds like more denial, see leah Tara is also a drunk who has also had problems with other substances TARA on being a drunk/substance abuser: "Tara (who had some problems with quite a few substances as well, but who thinks they are separate issues.....so which camp does that put me in???)" "Believe it or not, some people don't have a problem with drugs even though they are alcoholics. I'm not one of those people, but they do exist." aka, tara has problems with both Kevin Michael Vail various mental illness drugs, started with zoloft, didn't like that, then went to antidepressant, stopped after sufficent side effects, now on SSRI and in therapy Furpaw (SSRI, cognitive therapy) Chris Jung (Prozac and Welbutrin, cognitive therapy) Charlie Wilkes drugged out, crazy, ****ed up all his life, Christ the shit he's been through including psych wards and electroshock treatments but now pulling down major cash as a business consultant. Triumphing over adversity, with a damn good life and a well trained dog (very much unlike Leah) Karen DuChateaux aka Karibear suffered from clinical depression for years until some drug or something brought her out of it. Some of her best friends "are certifiable" and have various degrees of psychoses. Familial mental disability. Refuses to say whether or not she is currently using drug or cognitive therapy for mental illness. Mike "DumbOxDumb" Dufort (pending) threatened non violent dog expert Jerry Howe with Mike's fully armed US Army Platoon. Threatened to bring his platoon to Jerry's HOWSE. also OCD (obsessed with Jerry's posts) Jim Sabatke Jim is currently on Effexor which he takes because of his depression/mental problems. Like many of our mental cases, Jim has had trouble finding the right med(s) to keep him from going kuckoo!! kuckoooo!!! or getting the "brain shivers" From: Jim Sabatke (jsabatke@execpc.com) Subject: Re: anyone using Effexor? alt.support.depression.medication Date: 2002-11-29 20:25:16 PST EFFEXOR "I'm on 375 mg/day and it has worked wonders for me. The only down side is that my blood pressure has elevated somewhat; oh and if I miss a dose by a couple of hours the "brain shivers" can be really bad. Good luck! Jim" "I switched from Paxil to Effexor about 5 months ago. I tapered off of the Paxil and tapered onto the Effexor at the same time." Jim "After several years on Effexor IR, my pdoc tried switching me to XR. I experienced fairly severe Effexor withdrawel until I went back to the IR." Jim <YOUR NAME GOES HERE> (please proudly add your name and the drugs/disorders specific to you, if you are also mentally ill). If we all come forward, we can help each other with our problems. Remember, mental illness is nothing to be ashamed of. It's not your fault if you have a defective brain which may cause you to act like an extreme hypocrite and/or idiot and/or robot without your being aware of it). Also, please notify us if you are *not* mentally ill, and have been added to this by mistake, so we can make our corrections and remove you from the crazy person list. -- mental health weekly =========================================== "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives." -Leo Tolstoy- Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?: CAVEAT If you have to do things to your dog to train him that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be doing them. If you have a dog trainer who tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, chin cuff, scruff shake or punish your dog in any manner, that corrections OF ANY KIND are appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can't train your dog to do what you want NEARLY INSTANTLY, look for a trainer that knows HOWE. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Director of Research, BIOSOUND Scientific Director of Training, Wits' End Dog Training 1611 24th St Orlando, FL 32805 Phone: 1-407-425-5092 Phone: 1-888-BIOSOUND (1-888-246-7686) Phone: 1-888-WITSEND (1-888-948-7363) http://www.doggydoright.com ThePuppyWizard@EarthLink.Net The Puppy Wizard. <}TPW ; - ) > Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed. -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after. Who ever can't hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all. -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow to make him smarter. The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. -Jerry Howe- The Puppy Wizzzard <}TPW ; ~ } > ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES? ,-._,-, V)"(V (_o_) Have a great day! / V) (l l l) Your Puppy Wizzzard. <}YPW ; ~ } > oo-oo NHOWE YOU KNOW HOWE COME The Puppy Wizard sez you're askin LIARS DOG ABUSERS and GODDAMNED MENTAL CASES for heelp for behaviors they can't train themselves. |
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Date: 2003-06-17 23:38:10 PST HOWEDY People, This post will cover most of what you never thought of and MOORE than you already know about stuff... Interesting X. I've never seen one of them before, and I'm not big on "breed" issues, but I just got to laugh at that picture I got in my head of a Aussie runnin around in a Newfie suit. I'm fallin outta my armchair and my sides are splittin!!! Fine. I prefer to see pups get into their new HOWSES as soon as they're weaned. Many folk prefer to allow the pups to stay with mom till twelve weeks or so, but I've never seen a problem for pups who'd been "orphaned" and into their family much earlier. My preference is six weeks. But that's not addressing your questions. My 40 years experience and some studies I recently read indicates some aggression may be precipitated by S/N. It's a hot button topic for many people, because it's one of those things where "you're damned if you do and damned if you don't." FWIW, according to Judaic law, spaying would be appropriate, neutering would not. There's other laws in their book about such issues as muzzling working draft animals etc. Very interesting stuff. Oh drat! You just burst my bubble! Now I can't laugh about a Aussie dressed in a Newfie suit. When I hear that, I think HYPERACTIVE. Hyperactivity is caused by stress barring such outside influences as toxins in the environment or malignancy of some sort. Purdue recently did some stuff on OCD and determined that stress percipiticpates OCD behaviors (Duh-Oh!). No news to this trainer. That's HOWE COME it's SO EZ for my students to break the anxiety SYNDROME and rehabilitate their hyperactive dogs in a few days, maybe less. Thyroid problems could be involved there too, and I've got a different take on that as well. I rather doubt the thyroid or any system is likely to malfunction for no reason. I believe that the constant on/off stress of ORDINARY DAILY LIFE in an ORDINARY NORMAL HOWEShold, is enough to push dogs, and some breeds more EZily than other's over the edge, resulting in obsessive compulsive behavior disorders like hyperactivity, excessive chewing,barking, digging, pacing, HOWEling, separation anxiety, self mutilation, fear of thunder, and even most carsickness. When I hear THAT, I don't wanna ask what's after the most part... Bummer. I hate that. Scares the beejeesus outta me. Good, I'm relieved. Dogs don't do things for no reason. Do you know what will provoke her? There's a commonality between all behavior problems, so if you can think of what when and where she'd had incidents in the past, you might isolate the triggers, and then you're half way done training her... Perhaps even just your scrutiny can be pressuring her. Dogs are very sensitive critters, it doesn't take much to throw them outta whack. Probably true, but that's the half of it also. I'll try to explain later... Right. That sez to me, she's insecure. It's a survival instinct. HOWE COME should she be insecure and thinking of herself first, rather than "feedin the family," as a mom dog would do? Well, mom dogs do not, they need to sustain themselves first, so they can take care of the bigger picture, even if that means culling her litter. Greed is what it looks like, but dogs aren't capitalists,\0 so it's got to be something telling her there's not enough to go around. Perhaps she's been teased with treats or had rewards withheld? Dogs are scavengers. They steal scraps of food and run to hide with their back to the wall in a heightened state of alert. Putting food or bribes into an untrusting dog's face will likely make him think fight/flight/survive... so I never use food bribes. Sure you can train animals and slaves by withholding or treating with food, it's the bottom line when you think about it. You'd need a mighty big treat bag to control all the food in creation Anything that takes precedence in your dog's mind over you, is usurping your authority and diminishing your dog's esteem for you. Right. That sez to me she's not entirely trusting, that something is concerning her that she's not SAFE. AGGRESSION IS FEAR. We don't attack for no reason, we attack to defend ourselves from a real or perceived threat. In looking for answers, I am not looking to make excuses for the dog's behavior. I personally don't care HOWE COME the dog does something, I deal with the whole problem from another perspective entirely, and many of these insecurity issues will be AUTOMAGICKALLY CURED, just by removing the inconsistencies and stressors in her daily life. Whoever said "it's a dogs life," never put on the hat... Dogs are just as sensitive about family tensions like children squabbling and parents correcting them or the dog, for whatever. LOOK at HOWE many times a day you probably have to say STOP THAT! and correct all of them? At bedtime the kids may give you the standard bedtime runaround, a kid falling and crying about it can make the dog nervous, anything goes. Hmmm. That makes me very suspicious. I like CONSISTENCY. Even if it's bad. But that may be good too, cause it could give us some insight into what's goin down here. By 'someone else,' you mean the kids, anybody else or everybody else? That too, may give some insight as to what's cookin. Hmmm. She's OK with the kids and food? That's got my antennae up. I believe you're sayin she's SAFE with the girls passing her while eating. THAT makes me very happy, if that's correct. At least about the food issue but it offsets itself with the dichotomy of her incidents with the kids. There's too many inconsistencies, and that's gonna tell us what's the problem, I think. Good. Tell us what you know of will set her off, and we can figure out what's upsettin her and HOWE to break the response. That doesn't give me a clear picture. Again, if you can predict when a behavior will happen, we can set it up to break or extinguish it, if it's still a problem after we do some simple preliminary conditioning exercises. Forget respect. FEAR. Something concerns her, it's not disrespect. You just did. No problem. Likewise. I do all my work from sittin right here stark ravin nekkid. I'm wondering if you've done any training with her and if so, HOWE was she trained. The fact she does not growl at YOU when you're near her food is probably not because it's you who gave her the food. That she doesn't growl at the kids around the food, makes me wonder if she's ever been corrected for 'food guarding' with the children. That could explain HOWE COME she won't growl at them near the food, but will in other situations particularly play, concerns me, but in a GOOD way. That's displaced aggression, I expect. That's cause by repressing behaviors. My methods use alternately variable distractions and prolonged non physical praise to extinguish the reflexive behavior through triggerin and non fulfillment, not by ever offering REPLACEMENT or alternate behaviors, because THAT disavails us of training opportunities and leaves the problem behavior intact, waitin on the whim of the dog. That suggests to me that she may be reacting to an incident perhaps long ago where she or the kids had been scolded or corrected for roudy play? That's called superstitious or flashback behavior, whereby a former incident is thought of by a similar cir***stance and the dog simple flashes back to that former state of mind and isn't even thinkin of the present, and usually ends pretty quickly, soon as he realizes this is a different time and place. All we got to do is play with that thought a few times if everything else is in order, and the dog will quickly override his BOOGEYMAN... The food guarding is not against the children, is that correct? Perhaps I'm a little unclear on the scenario. I think you're saying she's fine with you and the kids around the food, the food being an issue for other family members, visitors etc? Has she ever had an incident of growling at you? If so, when, where, and HOWE did you respond to it. Also, HOWE do you currently respond to her incidents with the kids now and HOWE often does this happen? Do you give her treats? Will she 'go off' around a treat or only AT her food bowl, and is she OK with your children around their food and do the children give her treats and is she OK with that? Finally, do you crate her? If so, does she go to her crate on her own? If so, that too, can be causing or exacerbating these issues. Crating can cause a lot of problems for insecurity. Because the crate becomes a safe haven for her, kinda like hiding under the covers from the boogeyman, when the door opens, it's like havin to get outta bed in the dark to go to the toilet... SCARY!!! You might crawl over the bed to get close the light and then run and jump to hit the switch before the monster under the bed can get your by your ankles. Those answers will give us a better idea of exactly HOWE COME the dog is growling. But after all is said, it still doesn't matter to me except as a curiosity. We'll fix this behavior problem EZ, I'm certain. She doesn't sound too scary to me now that we've looked at what she's doing. In fact, and please correct me if I misunderstood, she's ONLY staring and growling and showing some teeth? She's never tried to assault the kids, right? What do you feed and are you using any chemicals around her like floor cleaners containing phenols? I ask about food because some contain BHA, BHT, ETHOXYQUIN, or propylene glycol as preservatives and they're suspect of causing some hyperactive like behavior. You might break the food guarding malarkey by simply moving the dish to another location, preferably a neutral area. IOW, take her out of the environment in which she's accustomed to having incidents, and desensitize her there. But don't start messin with that stuff till you know HOWE to handle it just in case she should go off when you try testing it out. Besides, after an hour of training that food thing will probably disappear on it's own, just from the basic conditioning exercises. You might try taking her dinner bowl in hand and slowly walking her around while eating and making passes by other folks. But not yet, you got a little study to do and some practice... about two hours work. Must be COLD out there. Lets get the lesson plan in mind so you'll have your wits about you if she should growl so we don't lose an opportunity to address an incident should she growl, because doin so in new environment would make it that much easier to break, due to the change of environ. Same question goes for the growling. Is that a generalized behavior or does she only do it say, in the living room or only inside the HOWES, will she growl if they're playin outside. Does she growl ONLY when she's in play? That could be VERY telling. Does she growl when she is NOT ALREADY EXCITED PLAYING (besides at the food bowl, I'm over that)? If so, that's the problem, BUT, that still leaves the question of WHO does she growl at around food? That too could tie up another loose end. Does she always / sometimes / not often come to the kids when they call her? Will she always come to you when you call? Is she walked on leash often, and is she well behaved or is it a struggle, and what kind of collar do you use. Even though you're not writing about an on leash problem, we're still gonna need to work her on lead and longe line for the initial conditioning exercises. The program I teach begins by stopping all negative or corrective responses and interactions with her. That includes sclding the children, because that may be what provokes her to growl. That's called allelomimetic behavior. IOW, if you scold the kids for jumpin on the sofa, the dog will copy your action and attitudes and likewise correct them. Sibling rivalry is not caused by siblings, is cause by mishandling. Scolding one peer in front of the others causes animosity towards the others whom the subject was scolded in front of. That causes 2 things to happen. The scolded party gets embarrasses and assaults the observers of the scolding, or the observers copy the disciplinarian, and likewise scold the subject. Catch22. HOWE are we gonna control three kid critters and one Aussie runnin around in a midget Newfie suit??? Could take three juvenile detention and one AC officers 24/8 to throw down on them when they get goin like kids will do. I'm pretty EZ going, but I require strict discipline. I can't have a child interrupting me while I'm doin this and have my dogs going kookamunga while I'm trying to teach someone on the phone HOWE to control their dog's barking, for example. NOW I'd be curious about the ages of the kids "children under age 13," cause if there's things like hyperactive or disabled children or autistic kids or an infant who'd maybe cry or have seizures or whatever that could upset the dog. I'm not lookin for excuses to mitigate her behavior, just to understand it better so's we're lookin at the facts of the matter based on what is happening Vs feelings about HOWE whatever we may emotionally feel about stuff. We want to back away from the micro aspects of the behavior so we can take in the big picture and then we can see what parts don't fit, and figure out what to do to remedy the etiology rather than fightin symptoms of the problem, because as we repress symptoms, they change, to other, often worse, seemingly non related behaviors as trainsfer or replacement behaviors. That's HOWE COME so many dogs go through every behavior problem in the book before simply runnin outa behavior problems that haven't already been repressed. Think about it. As we repress all the normal puppy behaviors we make the pup nervous cause he's only a animal. They cannot know right from wrong, only what's nice and what's not. They're not a human child, they cannot understand BAD. Dogs do not DO, BAD, dogs only do dog, and of curse, they also copy us. As the dog matures to 8-9 months they go through their 'adolescent rebellious' stage (Scott &Fuller). HOWE can a dog have a rebellious stage if there's nothing to REBEL AGAINST? Well, he still has not run through all the behavior problems he can be provoked into, so when he's maturing as a ****ager and trying for more freedom, we become more repressive because the dog is out of hand, and there goes the shootin match. My student's dogs do not go through that because we never have a negative or forced interaction with them, we NEVER tell them NO or INSIST on a command, because THAT triggers the opposition reflex and makes the dog rebel. Our dogs are eager to work because we PRAISE IN ADVANCE, with the command, all in one breath not after the dog has finished doin his behavior. Dogs do not work for credit. By the time the dog comes to you when called, he's not longer thinking of the command. Dogs respond in predictable, instinctive, reflexive, ways, to situations and cir***stances of their environment which we provide for them. That means we can change or control the environment to set the dog up to perform as predicted, and know when to do what you've planned in advance, to properly trigger / distract / praise / trigger / distract / praise the behavior till it's extinguished, MUCH LIKE FLOODING, but not quite... Or, we may use traditional flooding techniques with distraction / praise to extinguish behaviors. Before addressing behavior problems we condition the dog to praise with every brief eye contact and learn HOWE to handle the lead so we're not pulling on the collar and triggering the dog or hyping him up for a random outburst. Proper leash handling techniques insures safety and teaches the dog gentleness and conditions them to respond to our praise, as it entices the dog in and settles him down in just a few minutes. It's kinda like Dr. Ian Dunbar's "make like a tree," but not really anything at all quite like it. They just look similar at first glance. The Hot & Cold Exercise is like the kid's game "gettin hotter gettin colder" with the dog's attention and body as we stand and handle the lead properly to get the feel for it and reassure the dogs we ain't gonna be pullin no more on them. After a few minutes the dog will be hangin out waitin for you to do something, then you're ready to go into the Family Leadership Exercise where we very subtly work the dog in a conditioning routine we'll rely on for other situations and begin to install the come command as a conditioned reflex. That usually takes my students about one hour, often less, very rarely four hours, but that'd get a perfect recall on the most difficult critter. Once we've got that dog willing to work with us we can begin to break his behavior problems using variable distractions and praise techniques. Using praise in advance relaxes the dog and encourages him. For training, isn't that all we need? Praising BAD BEHAVIORS is GOOD. If your dog were boltin out the door, it's not "NO! STOP!," it's GOOD GIRL NICEDOG YOU'RE A GOOOOD FELLA!!. The dog ain't goin NOWHERE except come back over to you. Might even ask if he wants to go to the park. Sure he wants to but you don't. Who cares? He's only a DOG. Tell him you're gonna put your shoes on to go but it'll be a minit. Dogs like kids FORGET in a minute... Tomorrow when you ARE going to the park, tell him you're goin cause you PROMISED him yesterday, and now it's time. They'll think you're the kat's pajamas for bein the greatest mom/dad in the whole wild world. Dogs and kids just wanna have fun. Therefore my dogs never see me frown on them. NO MATTER WHAT. I never tell them NO or DON'T, or physically reach to restrain them, partly because THAT would trigger the opposition reflex and compel the dog to "outstep me" and rush the door or eat the steak or whatever AND teach the dog that doin THAT, will command 100% of your undivided attention... That's HOWE COME proper understanding of the methods and developing the feel for leash handling is imperative, so's we don't sabotage ourselves by reacting to our own fears of dangerous situations we're gonna work through in a few minutes if you can refrain yourself from saying NO DON'T! and pullin the lead to force control. Of course I know that your dog isn't having leash problems, but it fits here... Our dogs naturally want to do everything they're asked, cause just like kids, dogs just wanna have fun. Your Puppy Wizard. <YPW;~} ----- Original Message ----- From: <n> To: "Jerry Howe" <jhowe2@bellsouth.net> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Damned Family Leadership Exercise - Re: Am I expecting to much ================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric To: jhowe2@bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM Subject: just checking in.. Jerry! You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago regarding submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days using your techniques! He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"! Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter of minutes. Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer. I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed 'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to be good dogs! Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward to working with these guys a couple times a day... Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T", I learned from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain rather than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense. I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone who beat MY ass lol! Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs. A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship". He is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it (pun intended)... Too cool.... Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work! Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard ========================== Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me! Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500 Message-ID: uim43blqq1h67d@corp.supernews.com Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using Jerry's methods with our dog. We had the same problem as the original poster has with Buzz. One day working with the family pack exercise and practicing the recall command with the family and she'll now go out with hubby and daughter instead of needing me to reassure her or even refusing to go with anyone but me. I really urge you, regardless of the negative things you might hear about Jerry & Wits' End here, to try the method and *judge the results for yourself*. Let's see what other areas she's improved in... always comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave it laying around, "re"housebroken after long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash, doesn't try to steal food from our plates or beg... probably a few more things I'm forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi and don't wander. jh). That's in about a week's time. Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive (except with her area/toys where she was possessive and nippy). She had been abused and beaten by previous owners, then she was in a shelter for months. They (most of them) wanted to give up and kill her Now she's gained confidence and trust with us. Last night was another big breakthrough (in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she barked just once when she heard the front door. Great! Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about Jerry or that the Wits' End manual is culled from other sources. In my opinion, even if it is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves out the bad. Works for me. (And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know Jerry personally. I've emailed him and instant messaged him. I have not bought a "Doggy Do Right". He's offered help for free.) Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy http://www.crneckiy.com & http://tarot.crneckiy.com E-mail & MSN Messenger: mick@crneckiy.com AIM & Yahoo!: MickCrneckiy ~ ICQ: 72461227 ====================== ================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Hoku Beltz To: The Puppy Wizard Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: Mahalo Aloha Jerry, Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy technique is working wonders. I have not had a shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice to be able to leave the bed made and come home to a made bed. Your program is awesome, but you already know that. Keep up the good work! Hoku ================== Thank you, Jerry Howe, Director of Research, BIOSOUND Scientific Director of Training, Wits' End Dog Training 1611 24th St Orlando, FL 32805 Phone: 1-407-425-5092 Phone: 1-888-BIOSOUND (1-888-246-7686) E-mail: ThePuppyWizard@EarthLink.Net http://www.doggydoright.com |
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HOWEDY People, This post will cover most of what you never thought of and MOORE than you already know about stuff... Interesting X. I've never seen one of them before, and I'm not big on "breed" issues, but I just got to laugh at that picture I got in my head of a Aussie runnin around in a Newfie suit. I'm fallin outta my armchair and my sides are splittin!!! Fine. I prefer to see pups get into their new HOWSES as soon as they're weaned. Many folk prefer to allow the pups to stay with mom till twelve weeks or so, but I've never seen a problem for pups who'd been "orphaned" and into their family much earlier. My preference is six weeks. But that's not addressing your questions. My 40 years experience and some studies I recently read indicates some aggression may be precipitated by S/N. It's a hot button topic for many people, because it's one of those things where "you're damned if you do and damned if you don't." FWIW, according to Judaic law, spaying would be appropriate, neutering would not. There's other laws in their book about such issues as muzzling working draft animals etc. Very interesting stuff. Oh drat! You just burst my bubble! Now I can't laugh about a Aussie dressed in a Newfie suit. When I hear that, I think HYPERACTIVE. Hyperactivity is caused by stress barring such outside influences as toxins in the environment or malignancy of some sort. Purdue recently did some stuff on OCD and determined that stress percipiticpates OCD behaviors (Duh-Oh!). No news to this trainer. That's HOWE COME it's SO EZ for my students to break the anxiety SYNDROME and rehabilitate their hyperactive dogs in a few days, maybe less. Thyroid problems could be involved there too, and I've got a different take on that as well. I rather doubt the thyroid or any system is likely to malfunction for no reason. I believe that the constant on/off stress of ORDINARY DAILY LIFE in an ORDINARY NORMAL HOWEShold, is enough to push dogs, and some breeds more EZily than other's over the edge, resulting in obsessive compulsive behavior disorders like hyperactivity, excessive chewing,barking, digging, pacing, HOWEling, separation anxiety, self mutilation, fear of thunder, and even most carsickness. When I hear THAT, I don't wanna ask what's after the most part... Bummer. I hate that. Scares the beejeesus outta me. Good, I'm relieved. Dogs don't do things for no reason. Do you know what will provoke her? There's a commonality between all behavior problems, so if you can think of what when and where she'd had incidents in the past, you might isolate the triggers, and then you're half way done training her... Perhaps even just your scrutiny can be pressuring her. Dogs are very sensitive critters, it doesn't take much to throw them outta whack. Probably true, but that's the half of it also. I'll try to explain later... Right. That sez to me, she's insecure. It's a survival instinct. HOWE COME should she be insecure and thinking of herself first, rather than "feedin the family," as a mom dog would do? Well, mom dogs do not, they need to sustain themselves first, so they can take care of the bigger picture, even if that means culling her litter. Greed is what it looks like, but dogs aren't capitalists, so it's got to be something telling her there's not enough to go around. Perhaps she's been teased with treats or had rewards withheld? Dogs are scavengers. They steal scraps of food and run to hide with their back to the wall in a heightened state of alert. Putting food or bribes into an untrusting dog's face will likely make him think fight/flight/survive... so I never use food bribes. Sure you can train animals and slaves by withholding or treating with food, it's the bottom line when you think about it. You'd need a mighty big treat bag to control all the food in creation Anything that takes precedence in your dog's mind over you, is usurping your authority and diminishing your dog's esteem for you. Right. That sez to me she's not entirely trusting, that something is concerning her that she's not SAFE. AGGRESSION IS FEAR. We don't attack for no reason, we attack to defend ourselves from a real or perceived threat. In looking for answers, I am not looking to make excuses for the dog's behavior. I personally don't care HOWE COME the dog does something, I deal with the whole problem from another perspective entirely, and many of these insecurity issues will be AUTOMAGICKALLY CURED, just by removing the inconsistencies and stressors in her daily life. Whoever said "it's a dogs life," never put on the hat... Dogs are just as sensitive about family tensions like children squabbling and parents correcting them or the dog, for whatever. LOOK at HOWE many times a day you probably have to say STOP THAT! and correct all of them? At bedtime the kids may give you the standard bedtime runaround, a kid falling and crying about it can make the dog nervous, anything goes. Hmmm. That makes me very suspicious. I like CONSISTENCY. Even if it's bad. But that may be good too, cause it could give us some insight into what's goin down here. By 'someone else,' you mean the kids, anybody else or everybody else? That too, may give some insight as to what's cookin. Hmmm. She's OK with the kids and food? That's got my antennae up. I believe you're sayin she's SAFE with the girls passing her while eating. THAT makes me very happy, if that's correct. At least about the food issue but it offsets itself with the dichotomy of her incidents with the kids. There's too many inconsistencies, and that's gonna tell us what's the problem, I think. Good. Tell us what you know of will set her off, and we can figure out what's upsettin her and HOWE to break the response. That doesn't give me a clear picture. Again, if you can predict when a behavior will happen, we can set it up to break or extinguish it, if it's still a problem after we do some simple preliminary conditioning exercises. Forget respect. FEAR. Something concerns her, it's not disrespect. You just did. No problem. Likewise. I do all my work from sittin right here stark ravin nekkid. I'm wondering if you've done any training with her and if so, HOWE was she trained. The fact she does not growl at YOU when you're near her food is probably not because it's you who gave her the food. That she doesn't growl at the kids around the food, makes me wonder if she's ever been corrected for 'food guarding' with the children. That could explain HOWE COME she won't growl at them near the food, but will in other situations particularly play, concerns me, but in a GOOD way. That's displaced aggression, I expect. That's cause by repressing behaviors. My methods use alternately variable distractions and prolonged non physical praise to extinguish the reflexive behavior through triggerin and non fulfillment, not by ever offering REPLACEMENT or alternate behaviors, because THAT disavails us of training opportunities and leaves the problem behavior intact, waitin on the whim of the dog. That suggests to me that she may be reacting to an incident perhaps long ago where she or the kids had been scolded or corrected for roudy play? That's called superstitious or flashback behavior, whereby a former incident is thought of by a similar cir***stance and the dog simple flashes back to that former state of mind and isn't even thinkin of the present, and usually ends pretty quickly, soon as he realizes this is a different time and place. All we got to do is play with that thought a few times if everything else is in order, and the dog will quickly override his BOOGEYMAN... The food guarding is not against the children, is that correct? Perhaps I'm a little unclear on the scenario. I think you're saying she's fine with you and the kids around the food, the food being an issue for other family members, visitors etc? Has she ever had an incident of growling at you? If so, when, where, and HOWE did you respond to it. Also, HOWE do you currently respond to her incidents with the kids now and HOWE often does this happen? Do you give her treats? Will she 'go off' around a treat or only AT her food bowl, and is she OK with your children around their food and do the children give her treats and is she OK with that? Finally, do you crate her? If so, does she go to her crate on her own? If so, that too, can be causing or exacerbating these issues. Crating can cause a lot of problems for insecurity. Because the crate becomes a safe haven for her, kinda like hiding under the covers from the boogeyman, when the door opens, it's like havin to get outta bed in the dark to go to the toilet... SCARY!!! You might crawl over the bed to get close the light and then run and jump to hit the switch before the monster under the bed can get your by your ankles. Those answers will give us a better idea of exactly HOWE COME the dog is growling. But after all is said, it still doesn't matter to me except as a curiosity. We'll fix this behavior problem EZ, I'm certain. She doesn't sound too scary to me now that we've looked at what she's doing. In fact, and please correct me if I misunderstood, she's ONLY staring and growling and showing some teeth? She's never tried to assault the kids, right? What do you feed and are you using any chemicals around her like floor cleaners containing phenols? I ask about food because some contain BHA, BHT, ETHOXYQUIN, or propylene glycol as preservatives and they're suspect of causing some hyperactive like behavior. You might break the food guarding malarkey by simply moving the dish to another location, preferably a neutral area. IOW, take her out of the environment in which she's accustomed to having incidents, and desensitize her there. But don't start messin with that stuff till you know HOWE to handle it just in case she should go off when you try testing it out. Besides, after an hour of training that food thing will probably disappear on it's own, just from the basic conditioning exercises. You might try taking her dinner bowl in hand and slowly walking her around while eating and making passes by other folks. But not yet, you got a little study to do and some practice... about two hours work. Must be COLD out there. Lets get the lesson plan in mind so you'll have your wits about you if she should growl so we don't lose an opportunity to address an incident should she growl, because doin so in new environment would make it that much easier to break, due to the change of environ. Same question goes for the growling. Is that a generalized behavior or does she only do it say, in the living room or only inside the HOWES, will she growl if they're playin outside. Does she growl ONLY when she's in play? That could be VERY telling. Does she growl when she is NOT ALREADY EXCITED PLAYING (besides at the food bowl, I'm over that)? If so, that's the problem, BUT, that still leaves the question of WHO does she growl at around food? That too could tie up another loose end. Does she always / sometimes / not often come to the kids when they call her? Will she always come to you when you call? Is she walked on leash often, and is she well behaved or is it a struggle, and what kind of collar do you use. Even though you're not writing about an on leash problem, we're still gonna need to work her on lead and longe line for the initial conditioning exercises. The program I teach begins by stopping all negative or corrective responses and interactions with her. That includes scolding the children, because that may be what provokes her to growl. That's called allelomimetic behavior. IOW, if you scold the kids for jumpin on the sofa, the dog will copy your action and attitudes and likewise correct them. Sibling rivalry is not caused by siblings, is cause by mishandling. Scolding one peer in front of the others causes animosity towards the others whom the subject was scolded in front of. That causes 2 things to happen. The scolded party gets embarrasses and assaults the observers of the scolding, or the observers copy the disciplinarian, and likewise scold the subject. Catch22. HOWE are we gonna control three kid critters and one Aussie runnin around in a midget Newfie suit??? Could take three juvenile detention and one AC officers 24/8 to throw down on them when they get goin like kids will do. I'm pretty EZ going, but I require strict discipline. I can't have a child interrupting me while I'm doin this and have my dogs going kookamunga while I'm trying to teach someone on the phone HOWE to control their dog's barking, for example. NOW I'd be curious about the ages of the kids "children under age 13," cause if there's things like hyperactive or disabled children or autistic kids or an infant who'd maybe cry or have seizures or whatever that could upset the dog. I'm not lookin for excuses to mitigate her behavior, just to understand it better so's we're lookin at the facts of the matter based on what is happening Vs feelings about HOWE whatever we may emotionally feel about stuff. We want to back away from the micro aspects of the behavior so we can take in the big picture and then we can see what parts don't fit, and figure out what to do to remedy the etiology rather than fightin symptoms of the problem, because as we repress symptoms, they change, to other, often worse, seemingly non related behaviors as trainsfer or replacement behaviors. That's HOWE COME so many dogs go through every behavior problem in the book before simply runnin outa behavior problems that haven't already been repressed. Think about it. As we repress all the normal puppy behaviors we make the pup nervous cause he's only a animal. They cannot know right from wrong, only what's nice and what's not. They're not a human child, they cannot understand BAD. Dogs do not DO, BAD, dogs only do dog, and of curse, they also copy us. As the dog matures to 8-9 months they go through their 'adolescent rebellious' stage (Scott &Fuller). HOWE can a dog have a rebellious stage if there's nothing to REBEL AGAINST? Well, he still has not run through all the behavior problems he can be provoked into, so when he's maturing as a ****ager and trying for more freedom, we become more repressive because the dog is out of hand, and there goes the shootin match. My student's dogs do not go through that because we never have a negative or forced interaction with them, we NEVER tell them NO or INSIST on a command, because THAT triggers the opposition reflex and makes the dog rebel. Our dogs are eager to work because we PRAISE IN ADVANCE, with the command, all in one breath not after the dog has finished doin his behavior. Dogs do not work for credit. By the time the dog comes to you when called, he's not longer thinking of the command. Dogs respond in predictable, instinctive, reflexive, ways, to situations and cir***stances of their environment which we provide for them. That means we can change or control the environment to set the dog up to perform as predicted, and know when to do what you've planned in advance, to properly trigger / distract / praise / trigger / distract / praise the behavior till it's extinguished, MUCH LIKE FLOODING, but not quite... Or, we may use traditional flooding techniques with distraction / praise to extinguish behaviors. Before addressing behavior problems we condition the dog to praise with every brief eye contact and learn HOWE to handle the lead so we're not pulling on the collar and triggering the dog or hyping him up for a random outburst. Proper leash handling techniques insures safety and teaches the dog gentleness and conditions them to respond to our praise, as it entices the dog in and settles him down in just a few minutes. It's kinda like Dr. Ian Dunbar's "make like a tree," but not really anything at all quite like it. They just look similar at first glance. The Hot & Cold Exercise is like the kid's game "gettin hotter gettin colder" with the dog's attention and body as we stand and handle the lead properly to get the feel for it and reassure the dogs we ain't gonna be pullin no more on them. After a few minutes the dog will be hangin out waitin for you to do something, then you're ready to go into the Family Leadership Exercise where we very subtly work the dog in a conditioning routine we'll rely on for other situations and begin to install the come command as a conditioned reflex. That usually takes my students about one hour, often less, very rarely four hours, but that'd get a perfect recall on the most difficult critter. Once we've got that dog willing to work with us we can begin to break his behavior problems using variable distractions and praise techniques. Using praise in advance relaxes the dog and encourages him. For training, isn't that all we need? Praising BAD BEHAVIORS is GOOD. If your dog were boltin out the door, it's not "NO! STOP!," it's GOOD GIRL NICEDOG YOU'RE A GOOOOD FELLA!!. The dog ain't goin NOWHERE except come back over to you. Might even ask if he wants to go to the park. Sure he wants to but you don't. Who cares? He's only a DOG. Tell him you're gonna put your shoes on to go but it'll be a minit. Dogs like kids FORGET in a minute... Tomorrow when you ARE going to the park, tell him you're goin cause you PROMISED him yesterday, and now it's time. They'll think you're the kat's pajamas for bein the greatest mom/dad in the whole wild world. Dogs and kids just wanna have fun. Therefore my dogs never see me frown on them. NO MATTER WHAT. I never tell them NO or DON'T, or physically reach to restrain them, partly because THAT would trigger the opposition reflex and compel the dog to "outstep me" and rush the door or eat the steak or whatever AND teach the dog that doin THAT, will command 100% of your undivided attention... That's HOWE COME proper understanding of the methods and developing the feel for leash handling is imperative, so's we don't sabotage ourselves by reacting to our own fears of dangerous situations we're gonna work through in a few minutes if you can refrain yourself from saying NO DON'T! and pullin the lead to force control. Of course I know that your dog isn't having leash problems, but it fits here... Our dogs naturally want to do everything they're asked, cause just like kids, dogs just wanna have fun. Your Puppy Wizard. <YPW;~} ----- Original Message ----- From: <n> To: "Jerry Howe" <jhowe2@bellsouth.net> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Damned Family Leadership Exercise - Re: Am I expecting to much ================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric To: jhowe2@bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM Subject: just checking in.. Jerry! You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago regarding submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days using your techniques! He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"! Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter of minutes. Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer. I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed 'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to be good dogs! Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward to working with these guys a couple times a day... Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T", I learned from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain rather than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense. I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone who beat MY ass lol! Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs. A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship". He is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it (pun intended)... Too cool.... Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work! Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard ========================== Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me! Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500 Message-ID: uim43blqq1h67d@corp.supernews.com Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using Jerry's methods with our dog. We had the same problem as the original poster has with Buzz. One day working with the family pack exercise and practicing the recall command with the family and she'll now go out with hubby and daughter instead of needing me to reassure her or even refusing to go with anyone but me. I really urge you, regardless of the negative things you might hear about Jerry & Wits' End here, to try the method and *judge the results for yourself*. Let's see what other areas she's improved in... always comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave it laying around, "re"housebroken after long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash, doesn't try to steal food from our plates or beg... probably a few more things I'm forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi and don't wander. jh). That's in about a week's time. Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive (except with her area/toys where she was possessive and nippy). She had been abused and beaten by previous owners, then she was in a shelter for months. They (most of them) wanted to give up and kill her Now she's gained confidence and trust with us. Last night was another big breakthrough (in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she barked just once when she heard the front door. Great! Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about Jerry or that the Wits' End manual is culled from other sources. In my opinion, even if it is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves out the bad. Works for me. (And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know Jerry personally. I've emailed him and instant messaged him. I have not bought a "Doggy Do Right". He's offered help for free.) Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy http://www.crneckiy.com & http://tarot.crneckiy.com E-mail & MSN Messenger: mick@crneckiy.com AIM & Yahoo!: MickCrneckiy ~ ICQ: 72461227 ====================== ================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Hoku Beltz To: The Puppy Wizard Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: Mahalo Aloha Jerry, Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy technique is working wonders. I have not had a shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice to be able to leave the bed made and come home to a made bed. Your program is awesome, but you already know that. Keep up the good work! Hoku ================== Thank you, Jerry Howe, Director of Research, BIOSOUND Scientific Director of Training, Wits' End Dog Training 1611 24th St Orlando, FL 32805 Phone: 1-407-425-5092 E-mail: ThePuppyWizard@EarthLink.Net http://www.doggydoright.com |
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Date: 2003-06-17 23:38:10 PST HOWEDY People, This post will cover most of what you never thought of and MOORE than you already know about stuff... Interesting X. I've never seen one of them before, and I'm not big on "breed" issues, but I just got to laugh at that picture I got in my head of a Aussie runnin around in a Newfie suit. I'm fallin outta my armchair and my sides are splittin!!! Fine. I prefer to see pups get into their new HOWSES as soon as they're weaned. Many folk prefer to allow the pups to stay with mom till twelve weeks or so, but I've never seen a problem for pups who'd been "orphaned" and into their family much earlier. My preference is six weeks. But that's not addressing your questions. My 40 years experience and some studies I recently read indicates some aggression may be precipitated by S/N. It's a hot button topic for many people, because it's one of those things where "you're damned if you do and damned if you don't." FWIW, according to Judaic law, spaying would be appropriate, neutering would not. There's other laws in their book about such issues as muzzling working draft animals etc. Very interesting stuff. Oh drat! You just burst my bubble! Now I can't laugh about a Aussie dressed in a Newfie suit. When I hear that, I think HYPERACTIVE. Hyperactivity is caused by stress barring such outside influences as toxins in the environment or malignancy of some sort. Purdue recently did some stuff on OCD and determined that stress percipiticpates OCD behaviors (Duh-Oh!). No news to this trainer. That's HOWE COME it's SO EZ for my students to break the anxiety SYNDROME and rehabilitate their hyperactive dogs in a few days, maybe less. Thyroid problems could be involved there too, and I've got a different take on that as well. I rather doubt the thyroid or any system is likely to malfunction for no reason. I believe that the constant on/off stress of ORDINARY DAILY LIFE in an ORDINARY NORMAL HOWEShold, is enough to push dogs, and some breeds more EZily than other's over the edge, resulting in obsessive compulsive behavior disorders like hyperactivity, excessive chewing,barking, digging, pacing, HOWEling, separation anxiety, self mutilation, fear of thunder, and even most carsickness. When I hear THAT, I don't wanna ask what's after the most part... Bummer. I hate that. Scares the beejeesus outta me. Good, I'm relieved. Dogs don't do things for no reason. Do you know what will provoke her? There's a commonality between all behavior problems, so if you can think of what when and where she'd had incidents in the past, you might isolate the triggers, and then you're half way done training her... Perhaps even just your scrutiny can be pressuring her. Dogs are very sensitive critters, it doesn't take much to throw them outta whack. Probably true, but that's the half of it also. I'll try to explain later... Right. That sez to me, she's insecure. It's a survival instinct. HOWE COME should she be insecure and thinking of herself first, rather than "feedin the family," as a mom dog would do? Well, mom dogs do not, they need to sustain themselves first, so they can take care of the bigger picture, even if that means culling her litter. Greed is what it looks like, but dogs aren't capitalists, so it's got to be something telling her there's not enough to go around. Perhaps she's been teased with treats or had rewards withheld? Dogs are scavengers. They steal scraps of food and run to hide with their back to the wall in a heightened state of alert. Putting food or bribes into an untrusting dog's face will likely make him think fight/flight/survive... so I never use food bribes. Sure you can train animals and slaves by withholding or treating with food, it's the bottom line when you think about it. You'd need a mighty big treat bag to control all the food in creation Anything that takes precedence in your dog's mind over you, is usurping your authority and diminishing your dog's esteem for you. Right. That sez to me she's not entirely trusting, that something is concerning her that she's not SAFE. AGGRESSION IS FEAR. We don't attack for no reason, we attack to defend ourselves from a real or perceived threat. In looking for answers, I am not looking to make excuses for the dog's behavior. I personally don't care HOWE COME the dog does something, I deal with the whole problem from another perspective entirely, and many of these insecurity issues will be AUTOMAGICKALLY CURED, just by removing the inconsistencies and stressors in her daily life. Whoever said "it's a dogs life," never put on the hat... Dogs are just as sensitive about family tensions like children squabbling and parents correcting them or the dog, for whatever. LOOK at HOWE many times a day you probably have to say STOP THAT! and correct all of them? At bedtime the kids may give you the standard bedtime runaround, a kid falling and crying about it can make the dog nervous, anything goes. Hmmm. That makes me very suspicious. I like CONSISTENCY. Even if it's bad. But that may be good too, cause it could give us some insight into what's goin down here. By 'someone else,' you mean the kids, anybody else or everybody else? That too, may give some insight as to what's cookin. Hmmm. She's OK with the kids and food? That's got my antennae up. I believe you're sayin she's SAFE with the girls passing her while eating. THAT makes me very happy, if that's correct. At least about the food issue but it offsets itself with the dichotomy of her incidents with the kids. There's too many inconsistencies, and that's gonna tell us what's the problem, I think. Good. Tell us what you know of will set her off, and we can figure out what's upsettin her and HOWE to break the response. That doesn't give me a clear picture. Again, if you can predict when a behavior will happen, we can set it up to break or extinguish it, if it's still a problem after we do some simple preliminary conditioning exercises. Forget respect. FEAR. Something concerns her, it's not disrespect. You just did. No problem. Likewise. I do all my work from sittin right here stark ravin nekkid. I'm wondering if you've done any training with her and if so, HOWE was she trained. The fact she does not growl at YOU when you're near her food is probably not because it's you who gave her the food. That she doesn't growl at the kids around the food, makes me wonder if she's ever been corrected for 'food guarding' with the children. That could explain HOWE COME she won't growl at them near the food, but will in other situations particularly play, concerns me, but in a GOOD way. That's displaced aggression, I expect. That's cause by repressing behaviors. My methods use alternately variable distractions and prolonged non physical praise to extinguish the reflexive behavior through triggerin and non fulfillment, not by ever offering REPLACEMENT or alternate behaviors, because THAT disavails us of training opportunities and leaves the problem behavior intact, waitin on the whim of the dog. That suggests to me that she may be reacting to an incident perhaps long ago where she or the kids had been scolded or corrected for roudy play? That's called superstitious or flashback behavior, whereby a former incident is thought of by a similar cir***stance and the dog simple flashes back to that former state of mind and isn't even thinkin of the present, and usually ends pretty quickly, soon as he realizes this is a different time and place. All we got to do is play with that thought a few times if everything else is in order, and the dog will quickly override his BOOGEYMAN... The food guarding is not against the children, is that correct? Perhaps I'm a little unclear on the scenario. I think you're saying she's fine with you and the kids around the food, the food being an issue for other family members, visitors etc? Has she ever had an incident of growling at you? If so, when, where, and HOWE did you respond to it. Also, HOWE do you currently respond to her incidents with the kids now and HOWE often does this happen? Do you give her treats? Will she 'go off' around a treat or only AT her food bowl, and is she OK with your children around their food and do the children give her treats and is she OK with that? Finally, do you crate her? If so, does she go to her crate on her own? If so, that too, can be causing or exacerbating these issues. Crating can cause a lot of problems for insecurity. Because the crate becomes a safe haven for her, kinda like hiding under the covers from the boogeyman, when the door opens, it's like havin to get outta bed in the dark to go to the toilet... SCARY!!! You might crawl over the bed to get close the light and then run and jump to hit the switch before the monster under the bed can get your by your ankles. Those answers will give us a better idea of exactly HOWE COME the dog is growling. But after all is said, it still doesn't matter to me except as a curiosity. We'll fix this behavior problem EZ, I'm certain. She doesn't sound too scary to me now that we've looked at what she's doing. In fact, and please correct me if I misunderstood, she's ONLY staring and growling and showing some teeth? She's never tried to assault the kids, right? What do you feed and are you using any chemicals around her like floor cleaners containing phenols? I ask about food because some contain BHA, BHT, ETHOXYQUIN, or propylene glycol as preservatives and they're suspect of causing some hyperactive like behavior. You might break the food guarding malarkey by simply moving the dish to another location, preferably a neutral area. IOW, take her out of the environment in which she's accustomed to having incidents, and desensitize her there. But don't start messin with that stuff till you know HOWE to handle it just in case she should go off when you try testing it out. Besides, after an hour of training that food thing will probably disappear on it's own, just from the basic conditioning exercises. You might try taking her dinner bowl in hand and slowly walking her around while eating and making passes by other folks. But not yet, you got a little study to do and some practice... about two hours work. Must be COLD out there. Lets get the lesson plan in mind so you'll have your wits about you if she should growl so we don't lose an opportunity to address an incident should she growl, because doin so in new environment would make it that much easier to break, due to the change of environ. Same question goes for the growling. Is that a generalized behavior or does she only do it say, in the living room or only inside the HOWES, will she growl if they're playin outside. Does she growl ONLY when she's in play? That could be VERY telling. Does she growl when she is NOT ALREADY EXCITED PLAYING (besides at the food bowl, I'm over that)? If so, that's the problem, BUT, that still leaves the question of WHO does she growl at around food? That too could tie up another loose end. Does she always / sometimes / not often come to the kids when they call her? Will she always come to you when you call? Is she walked on leash often, and is she well behaved or is it a struggle, and what kind of collar do you use. Even though you're not writing about an on leash problem, we're still gonna need to work her on lead and longe line for the initial conditioning exercises. The program I teach begins by stopping all negative or corrective responses and interactions with her. That includes scolding the children, because that may be what provokes her to growl. That's called allelomimetic behavior. IOW, if you scold the kids for jumpin on the sofa, the dog will copy your action and attitudes and likewise correct them. Sibling rivalry is not caused by siblings, is cause by mishandling. Scolding one peer in front of the others causes animosity towards the others whom the subject was scolded in front of. That causes 2 things to happen. The scolded party gets embarrasses and assaults the observers of the scolding, or the observers copy the disciplinarian, and likewise scold the subject. Catch22. HOWE are we gonna control three kid critters and one Aussie runnin around in a midget Newfie suit??? Could take three juvenile detention and one AC officers 24/8 to throw down on them when they get goin like kids will do. I'm pretty EZ going, but I require strict discipline. I can't have a child interrupting me while I'm doin this and have my dogs going kookamunga while I'm trying to teach someone on the phone HOWE to control their dog's barking, for example. NOW I'd be curious about the ages of the kids "children under age 13," cause if there's things like hyperactive or disabled children or autistic kids or an infant who'd maybe cry or have seizures or whatever that could upset the dog. I'm not lookin for excuses to mitigate her behavior, just to understand it better so's we're lookin at the facts of the matter based on what is happening Vs feelings about HOWE whatever we may emotionally feel about stuff. We want to back away from the micro aspects of the behavior so we can take in the big picture and then we can see what parts don't fit, and figure out what to do to remedy the etiology rather than fightin symptoms of the problem, because as we repress symptoms, they change, to other, often worse, seemingly non related behaviors as trainsfer or replacement behaviors. That's HOWE COME so many dogs go through every behavior problem in the book before simply runnin outa behavior problems that haven't already been repressed. Think about it. As we repress all the normal puppy behaviors we make the pup nervous cause he's only a animal. They cannot know right from wrong, only what's nice and what's not. They're not a human child, they cannot understand BAD. Dogs do not DO, BAD, dogs only do dog, and of curse, they also copy us. As the dog matures to 8-9 months they go through their 'adolescent rebellious' stage (Scott &Fuller). HOWE can a dog have a rebellious stage if there's nothing to REBEL AGAINST? Well, he still has not run through all the behavior problems he can be provoked into, so when he's maturing as a ****ager and trying for more freedom, we become more repressive because the dog is out of hand, and there goes the shootin match. My student's dogs do not go through that because we never have a negative or forced interaction with them, we NEVER tell them NO or INSIST on a command, because THAT triggers the opposition reflex and makes the dog rebel. Our dogs are eager to work because we PRAISE IN ADVANCE, with the command, all in one breath not after the dog has finished doin his behavior. Dogs do not work for credit. By the time the dog comes to you when called, he's not longer thinking of the command. Dogs respond in predictable, instinctive, reflexive, ways, to situations and cir***stances of their environment which we provide for them. That means we can change or control the environment to set the dog up to perform as predicted, and know when to do what you've planned in advance, to properly trigger / distract / praise / trigger / distract / praise the behavior till it's extinguished, MUCH LIKE FLOODING, but not quite... Or, we may use traditional flooding techniques with distraction / praise to extinguish behaviors. Before addressing behavior problems we condition the dog to praise with every brief eye contact and learn HOWE to handle the lead so we're not pulling on the collar and triggering the dog or hyping him up for a random outburst. Proper leash handling techniques insures safety and teaches the dog gentleness and conditions them to respond to our praise, as it entices the dog in and settles him down in just a few minutes. It's kinda like Dr. Ian Dunbar's "make like a tree," but not really anything at all quite like it. They just look similar at first glance. The Hot & Cold Exercise is like the kid's game "gettin hotter gettin colder" with the dog's attention and body as we stand and handle the lead properly to get the feel for it and reassure the dogs we ain't gonna be pullin no more on them. After a few minutes the dog will be hangin out waitin for you to do something, then you're ready to go into the Family Leadership Exercise where we very subtly work the dog in a conditioning routine we'll rely on for other situations and begin to install the come command as a conditioned reflex. That usually takes my students about one hour, often less, very rarely four hours, but that'd get a perfect recall on the most difficult critter. Once we've got that dog willing to work with us we can begin to break his behavior problems using variable distractions and praise techniques. Using praise in advance relaxes the dog and encourages him. For training, isn't that all we need? Praising BAD BEHAVIORS is GOOD. If your dog were boltin out the door, it's not "NO! STOP!," it's GOOD GIRL NICEDOG YOU'RE A GOOOOD FELLA!!. The dog ain't goin NOWHERE except come back over to you. Might even ask if he wants to go to the park. Sure he wants to but you don't. Who cares? He's only a DOG. Tell him you're gonna put your shoes on to go but it'll be a minit. Dogs like kids FORGET in a minute... Tomorrow when you ARE going to the park, tell him you're goin cause you PROMISED him yesterday, and now it's time. They'll think you're the kat's pajamas for bein the greatest mom/dad in the whole wild world. Dogs and kids just wanna have fun. Therefore my dogs never see me frown on them. NO MATTER WHAT. I never tell them NO or DON'T, or physically reach to restrain them, partly because THAT would trigger the opposition reflex and compel the dog to "outstep me" and rush the door or eat the steak or whatever AND teach the dog that doin THAT, will command 100% of your undivided attention... That's HOWE COME proper understanding of the methods and developing the feel for leash handling is imperative, so's we don't sabotage ourselves by reacting to our own fears of dangerous situations we're gonna work through in a few minutes if you can refrain yourself from saying NO DON'T! and pullin the lead to force control. Of course I know that your dog isn't having leash problems, but it fits here... Our dogs naturally want to do everything they're asked, cause just like kids, dogs just wanna have fun. Your Puppy Wizard. <YPW;~} ----- Original Message ----- From: <n> To: "Jerry Howe" <jhowe2@bellsouth.net> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Damned Family Leadership Exercise - Re: Am I expecting to much ================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric To: jhowe2@bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM Subject: just checking in.. Jerry! You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago regarding submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days using your techniques! He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"! Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter of minutes. Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer. I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed 'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to be good dogs! Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward to working with these guys a couple times a day... Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T", I learned from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain rather than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense. I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone who beat MY ass lol! Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs. A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship". He is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it (pun intended)... Too cool.... Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work! Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard ========================== Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me! Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500 Message-ID: uim43blqq1h67d@corp.supernews.com Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using Jerry's methods with our dog. We had the same problem as the original poster has with Buzz. One day working with the family pack exercise and practicing the recall command with the family and she'll now go out with hubby and daughter instead of needing me to reassure her or even refusing to go with anyone but me. I really urge you, regardless of the negative things you might hear about Jerry & Wits' End here, to try the method and *judge the results for yourself*. Let's see what other areas she's improved in... always comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave it laying around, "re"housebroken after long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash, doesn't try to steal food from our plates or beg... probably a few more things I'm forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi and don't wander. jh). That's in about a week's time. Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive (except with her area/toys where she was possessive and nippy). She had been abused and beaten by previous owners, then she was in a shelter for months. They (most of them) wanted to give up and kill her Now she's gained confidence and trust with us. Last night was another big breakthrough (in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she barked just once when she heard the front door. Great! Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about Jerry or that the Wits' End manual is culled from other sources. In my opinion, even if it is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves out the bad. Works for me. (And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know Jerry personally. I've emailed him and instant messaged him. I have not bought a "Doggy Do Right". He's offered help for free.) Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy http://www.crneckiy.com & http://tarot.crneckiy.com E-mail & MSN Messenger: mick@crneckiy.com AIM & Yahoo!: MickCrneckiy ~ ICQ: 72461227 ====================== ================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Hoku Beltz To: The Puppy Wizard Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: Mahalo Aloha Jerry, Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy technique is working wonders. I have not had a shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice to be able to leave the bed made and come home to a made bed. Your program is awesome, but you already know that. Keep up the good work! Hoku ================== Thank you, Jerry Howe, Director of Research, BIOSOUND Scientific Director of Training, Wits' End Dog Training 1611 24th St Orlando, FL 32805 Phone: 1-407-425-5092 E-mail: ThePuppyWizard@EarthLink.Net http://www.doggydoright.com |
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