ijah

got the grossman tip and a handy-dandy water-pik.

the water-pik has a pressure control - a little slider with 5 settings
marked by small dots. I'll call this 'the throttle'.

so, where do you set the throttle on this baby before you start
blowing saline into your nose? i don't want to set it so low it does
no good or so high it blows what little brains i have left out.

also, i just have a feeling i'll have problems getting the technique
down. i've tried a neti pot and i just can't seem to get the hang of
getting the fluid to go full circle in on nostril and out the other.
usually it goes in one nostril, floods fairly deeply and comes right
back out that same nostril or ends up in the back of my throat.

any tips, tricks, pointers on how to get the flow-thru loop from
nostril to nostril happening would be greatly appreciated.

thanks much,

iJah

charles39847

The height should be 1 inch or less. Too much more than this can
potentially push infections deeper into the sinuses (assuming there is
an infection). I get best results slightly below the 1 inch mark.

BTW -- what is your email address. I tried sending something to
ijahSpam****s@mindspring.com & it came back underliverable.

johnny1000

Hi iJah .... I set my pik so 4 dots are showing. It produces a higher
stream than what Dr. Grossan recommends, but I don't currently have any
blockage in my nose, either. This setting works the best for me for
flushing things out. If I do experience any blockage, I'll hold the
nozzle "very" loosely against my nose so a pressure isn't created. IE:
so the majority of the liquid runs out around the nozzle itself, rather
than going inside. ...I normally use warm water for irrigating, and
currently use the pik twice a day. If things start to flair-up, I'll
step things up to 1/2 dozen times a day, plus I may use cold water to
help reduce the swelling. ...I usually use a hyper solution (More salt
than recommended), but I'm not that precise with my measurements. You
may read about adding this much salt or that much salt to the tank; but
the truth is, the longer the granules of salt sit in the tank, the
saltier the water becomes. (The water temp. has a great affect on this
too). I just pour my "pickling salt" directly out of the box into the
pik container. If I intend to wait a time for the water to cool, I'll
use considerably less salt (IE:more will dissolve). ....When I go to use
my pik, I know instantly if there's either too much or too little salt.
This can be easily corrected. ...I've never understood why some
individuals have trouble making "the loop" IE: in one nostril, and out
the other. If the water is warm, and you're not too stuffed up, the
water will naturally follow this route without going down the
throat..... Even if you're standing bolt upright. ......While
hanging my head over the sink, I'll also sniff the water in. I usually
pull the nozzle back slightly to include some air. As long as the water
is warm, it will not go down the throat. It stays at the top end, where
you can spit it out through the mouth. I've also applied the "Cando"
method with the salt water.--- When the water is nearly all used up from
the container, I'll shut the pik off, but continue to hold my head
deeper down in the sink with the nostrils pointing up. ...The last bit
of water is usually the saltiest, so by staying in this position, I can
actually hear a crackling sound as the liquid penetrates further within.
...Following this, I always drain the liquid out of my sinuses. Seems
to me Dr. Grossan said the salt water should stay in to do it's job;
however, I've found that by following this regimen (especially at nght),
I actually become more congested. To breathe easier, I get as much of
the liquid out as is possible. While hanging over the edge of a bed,
I'll pinch the nose and swallow. This works wonders for facilitating the
drainage of the liquid that has retreated further in. ...I also
use flonase, but I found it's important to not over do this medicaton.
I've noticed that by even skipping a day every so often, the medication
has a greater effect on my sinuses . Perhaps the body builds up a
tolerance to a "steady" use. Good luck to you ...Jon

The Pik works great for blowing fried chicken or what ever
out of your nose after you have thrown up.

:Hi iJah .... I set my pik so 4 dots are showing. It produces a higher
:stream than what Dr. Grossan recommends, but I don't currently have any
:blockage in my nose, either. This setting works the best for me for
:flushing things out. If I do experience any blockage, I'll hold the
:nozzle "very" loosely against my nose so a pressure isn't created. IE:
:so the majority of the liquid runs out around the nozzle itself, rather
:than going inside. ...I normally use warm water for irrigating, and
:currently use the pik twice a day. If things start to flair-up, I'll
:step things up to 1/2 dozen times a day, plus I may use cold water to
:help reduce the swelling. ...I usually use a hyper solution (More salt
:than recommended), but I'm not that precise with my measurements. You
:may read about adding this much salt or that much salt to the tank; but
:the truth is, the longer the granules of salt sit in the tank, the
:saltier the water becomes. (The water temp. has a great affect on this
:too). I just pour my "pickling salt" directly out of the box into the
ik container. If I intend to wait a time for the water to cool, I'll
:use considerably less salt (IE:more will dissolve). ....When I go to use
:my pik, I know instantly if there's either too much or too little salt.
:This can be easily corrected. ...I've never understood why some
:individuals have trouble making "the loop" IE: in one nostril, and out
:the other. If the water is warm, and you're not too stuffed up, the
:water will naturally follow this route without going down the
:throat..... Even if you're standing bolt upright. ......While
:hanging my head over the sink, I'll also sniff the water in. I usually
ull the nozzle back slightly to include some air. As long as the water
:is warm, it will not go down the throat. It stays at the top end, where
:you can spit it out through the mouth. I've also applied the "Cando"
:method with the salt water.--- When the water is nearly all used up from
:the container, I'll shut the pik off, but continue to hold my head
:deeper down in the sink with the nostrils pointing up. ...The last bit
f water is usually the saltiest, so by staying in this position, I can
:actually hear a crackling sound as the liquid penetrates further within.
:..Following this, I always drain the liquid out of my sinuses. Seems
:to me Dr. Grossan said the salt water should stay in to do it's job;
:however, I've found that by following this regimen (especially at nght),
:I actually become more congested. To breathe easier, I get as much of
:the liquid out as is possible. While hanging over the edge of a bed,
:I'll pinch the nose and swallow. This works wonders for facilitating the
:drainage of the liquid that has retreated further in. ...I also
:use flonase, but I found it's important to not over do this medicaton.
:I've noticed that by even skipping a day every so often, the medication
:has a greater effect on my sinuses . Perhaps the body builds up a
:tolerance to a "steady" use. Good luck to you ...Jon

johnny1000

Eeeeyuk.... Why would anyone want to throw up through their nose?
Chicken, no less !! .... I just heard the Colonel roll over in his
grave. ...Jon

I certainly do not enjoy throwing up out my nose.. but it
does happen.. most goes out my mouth of course.. but some
always gets stuck behind my nose and it's damn near
impossible to get it out.

The pic gets all that crud out AFTER I am done throwing up..

Now that the morning sickness has passed I won't be needing
the pic for that anymore..

It's weird.. you feel a sudden increase in pressure and then
BAM a piece of Mushroom / Chicken / Tomato or what ever else
you just ate blows out your nose.

I really could have used my pic in London when I threw up
KFC in my hotel room... But it would not have worked
with the outlets they have there anyway.


:Eeeeyuk.... Why would anyone want to throw up through their nose?
:Chicken, no less !! .... I just heard the Colonel roll over in his
:grave. ...Jon

entconsult

The stream coming out of the nasal tip should be almost one inch high. Higher
than one inch is too high.
Lower than one inch is OK, but not as comfortable as the almost one inch
height.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com

entconsult

If things start to flair-up, I'll
step things up to 1/2 dozen times a day,

this is not recommended. There are valuable products in your nose - lysozyme,
etc, that fight infection and more than 2x a day washes those out.

Unless you are getting huge amounts of thick yellow stuff out, limit to 2x a
day.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com

entconsult

The irrigator is designed not to work if the nose is blocked. You don't want to
force fluid through. If the nose is blocked, try a Vick's or Benzedrex inhaller
to open the nose first before irrigation.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com