karl

JS why do you care if I or others buy drugs from Canada?
You will buy yours from Walmart, Walgreen, or Target..wherever and pay what
YOUR plan's co-pay is.

Why do CARE where I get my drugs from?

It can't be that you give a damn whether I get counterfeit Coumadin,
you don't seem that compassionate.

Do you care that I spend a higher rate to offset your Insurance Company's
negotiated price which is lower than mine?

That's what you want I bet. You want us peasants to subsidize you!

I don't care where you buy YOUR drugs so why don't you ignore where I buy
mine!

jonathansmith99

I don't care if YOU go to Canada and buy drugs for yourself. I don't
care if YOU buy drugs via mail order from Canada or anywhere for that
matter. I DO care IF resellers are allowed to import drugs into the
US distribution system from other countries - because then I have to
assume the counterfeit drug risk so that YOU can benefit from lower
prices.

I do NOT want to risk my drug supply for some proported benefit that
accrues to you. Why do you expect this?

Have you ever bought British beef? What if I told you that the 21-day
aged Angus corn fed from Iowa might really be from the UK? Know,
likely it won't be, but maybe, just maybe, it could be because the
warehouse where it was hung had both in it.....and the British beef is
a bit less expensive....and the guy packaging thought he could make a little extra profit....

I don't care about YOUR counterfeit Coumading - I care about mine, my
family's, and all those people expecting to buy real Coumadin 100% of
the time.

By the way, I can get you a month's supply (30 tabs, any strength) of
Coumadin for about $9.00. Interested?

Sure - and then hell will freeze over and you'll need to buy long
underwear. The only offsets of significance are at the retail
pharmacist level. Do you honestly believe that the pharmacist's profit
margin (dispensing fee) is the same for insurance prescriptions as cash?

Like I said - I don't care where you buy yours, either, but don't set
up a system where I am forced to buy the same, potentially tainted,
drugs you are willing to risk buying to save money. The FDA has
already said - and this is their job - that they cannot gaurantee the
integrity of the drug supply IF reimportation is allowed at a
commercial level.

js

hrubin

Neither he nor I want anyone to subsidize anyone.

This is why we do not want the government involved
in any manner whatever.


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karl

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I wasn't aware that 'resellers' were going wholesale drugs into your
local pharmacy. You can buy counterfiets right NOW with America
made bogus drugs. It's your local pharmacy's responsibility.

This is all a red herring to misdirect the public. As far as I saw the FDA
made, what's the name 'CandaRX' (not sure), to shut down because they were
afraid of counterfeits. But you would buy from them.

You are aruguing that these firms are going to right over and sell to drug
stores.

But WHY would a drug store buy from Canada anyway? YOU KEEP
SAYING DRUGS are NOT Cheaper up there? Didn't you?
More misdirection again JS?


You DON'T care about my Coumadin? BUT you care about "all
those people expecting to buy real Coumadin 100% of the time"

Well which is it JS? Do you care or don't you care?


$9.00 ? I pay around $39 per 100 tablets of 5 mgs that's about $11.70
My drug doesn't cost me much. I've seen it in Canada for $7.5, again
not much of difference. It's the Zocors, Accupril, Lipators you have
to concern yourself with.

It's the retail prices here verses what people are finding walking into Canadian Pharamcies.


Don't you see JS? The pharmacist charges MORE for ME (I'm a bad example
Coumadin is cheap) and makes more from ME than you!

You allege Canada drugs are not less expensive than US drugs yet
the drug companies apparently make more money here in the US than
overseas.

So if you even JUST the same as canadians YOURSELF how are they raking
in more profits here?

Are you going to say drug companies make the same or less profits in the US
than
Canada?

So if they are making more money here and YOU are paying Canadian prices
or less than I am paying more so I chipping in more than YOU. So then I and
others paying retail are subidizing YOUR lower prices.

Bull and you know it JS. If I buy on a Candian website it comes from
them to me.

If I am a local drugstore I am hopefully monitored by some agency, DEA or
FDA,
and thus the local drugstore can be assured to have American drugs. Not a
problem!

Are you sasying nobody looks into where the local druggist gets drugs? Are
you saying
these drugs come from unregulated and unmonitored wholesalers? That would
be good
news for Rush Limbaugh...he would need to send his maid out buying dope for
him!

No JS they can assure the 'integrity' of the us drug supply. You just want
us to pay
a premium for US drugs that you don't pay to help defer your lower prices.

karl

Look closely Herman. He doesn't wish reimportation AT ALL.
He argues against reimportation supporting the FDA's claim of the potential
for counterfiets.

Are you too against reimportation?

jonathansmith99

That's what would/can happen.

No, it is not your local pharmacists responsibility. The law is VERY
clear - it is the responsibility of the Food and Drug Administration.


No, I would not.

I am arguing that if reimportation were allowed the drug distribution
system in the US would be compromised. I have yet to here or see anything different.

I keep saying that the prices paid by insurers is about the same in
Canada as it is in the US. What the transaction prices are at retail
for the cash market is an entirely different story. Are you familiar with Medicaid rebates?


Clarity of thought. Sorry if the facts blind you.


I don't give a hoot about you - if YOU want to take the risk, great,
go right ahead. Do NOT expect me and others with insurance to take
the risk of a bad batch of Coumadin.

It's the verapamil.


And like I said - GET THEM ACCESS TO INSURANCE! What is WRONG with you Karl?


Darned right - no question about that.

Prove it.

You said they were - not me.

Nope. Are you?


Interesting thought. Now reflect back on the pharmacy example.


Fine - I have no problem with that, actually. Never said I did. I am
concerned that if the commercial reimportation is allowed, the entire
distribution supply is in jeopardy.

And, the last caveat - if you buy from Canada, you sue the Canadians
when something goes wrong.

The FDA has stated that it is a problem for them. Haven't you read
McClellans statement?


The paper trail from manufacturer to retailer is quite good in the US.
The state and federal drug distribution laws require it.

The FDA says you are wrong.

js

karl

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Well then don't allow drug stores/whoelsalers to reimport.
You say CLEARLY that prices charged to customers with insurance
are better than what you can get in Canada anyway. If that is true
prices US Drug stores should be better, if you are correct, buying
from US wholesalers.

So to make you feel safe we can write laws so you local walmart
can only buy drugs from us companies.

I have news for you. If the local pharmacist sells a bogus drug that HE
should
know is bogus he'll get sued, he can't hide behind the FDA.


I miswrote. I meant you would buy into that argument. I don't believe it's
about counterfeits. It's about money.


Prohibit drug stores and drug wholesalers from reimporting.

I'm not asking you to. You just want me to pay your freight through higher prices.

Verapmil? Are you talking generic? I saw Brand name Coumadin for $25
heck at $60 per hundred for me it's not worth the trip or hassle.
Other drugs are pricery.


Lovely. If YOU CAN GET IT! Lovely if you can afford it!


I don't believe him.

So it would still be easy to compromise the integrity of the domestic
market?

With this wonderful paper trail?


want


prices.

The FDA is looking out for domestic political interests.

bettinared

Make up your mind, Herman. Do you think people should be free to buy
drugs at the best price they can find, or do you think the government
should interfere with the free market by not allowing them to?

Bettina

jonathansmith99

Karl and Bettina - do NOT put words in my mouth, please. I said, I
was opposed to the Illinois plan because it constitutes commercial
importation. If individuals want to buy drugs on the internet, so be
it. I have no problem. If little old ladies want to take buses
across the border, so be it. BUT, in no case do I want any chance of
a tainted drug ending up on the pharmacy shelf where I run the risk of
getting it. And in no case do I believe it is appropriate to put the
pharmaceutical industry at risk for injuries associated with
reimported drugs. And it is not appropriate for government agencies
to incent people to take risks with their health - and the same goes
for insurers.

js

george conklin

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JC: You post drivel again.

The Graedons, who write a nationally syndicated column on drugs, The
Peoples Pharmacy, have written that Canada has far, far BETTER controls on
drugs than we do in the USA. Their system does not allow multiple
distributors; it does NOT allow a distributor to break open a package and
sell the remainders; it does not allow, like Florida, 1,600 legal drug
distributors. In short, Canadian distribution is far, far SAFER than that
in the USA. We have drug chaos here.